It is freaky how accurate this post is.....*shudder*.

Yikes!! All too true.

Especially Number 9. I actually had to ban my first and only troll two weeks ago for saying EXACTLY THAT in my comments.

"7. At least we have debate
It's great at least that we talk about things like this here, and don't block out views we don't like such as the Freepers and Repugs do.
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Name removed

8. Deleted message"

Oh man that got me good. Great insight Frank

I wish I could say I made up the joke myself about a DU'er gloating about how they don't censor viewpoints followed directly after by a deleted post, but that came straight from an actual thread. I was hoping one DU'er might point out the irony of that, but to no avail.

Heck just the terms of use at DU is amusing enough:

-This is a "big tent" message board

-If you think overall that George W. Bush is doing a swell job, or if you wish to see Republicans win, or if you are generally supportive of conservative ideals, please do not register to post, as you will likely be banned.

doubleplusungood?

-Do not publicly accuse another member of this message board of being a disruptor, troll, conservative, Republican

ooohhh the stinging insults there. I like the phrase "disriptor" though, has a nice stalinist ring to it. I'm sorry comrade, you were banned because rational thinking is disruptive.

-We do not typically delete threads which many members may consider to be "flamebait." However, the administrators will occasionally remove threads which we arbitrarily consider too rhetorically hot or too inflammatory.

For instance, any post that *doesn't* compare Bush to hitler, tie into the Zionist plot to rule the world, or explain why global warming is a plot by the neo-cons to sell AC units.

Oh! I forgot ranting against neo-cons!

We all know that the only thing worse than Jews and Conservatives are Jewish Conservatives.

Good job Frank, you nailed this one.

I dunno, I always thought "disruptor" had more of a Klingon tone to it.

Makes you wonder if most the posters are Repugz just keeping the wheel spinning. Hamster's gone, where's Chomps?

what they really mean is "subversive"

What does "Bush*" mean? (I think I know what Bush means, but what does the * mean?)

Yeah, what's up w/ the asteriks?

"Ooh, ooh, I'm a monkey!"

Are there REALLY people that want to be monkeys?

Could be a reference to how for a while Doonesbury had * as his 'symbol' representing W.

Come to think of it, I think he still does.

Or maybe there's a footnote on DU that says:

"* Replace 'Bush' with the epithet of your choosing. Suggested replacements are 'Chimp', 'bushitler', etc"

J Mann --

hte "Bush*" is the note the alleged asterisk that the DU'ers think should be attached to the Bush Presidency, since "Gore won the popular vote".

Of course, DU'ers are too dumbassed to understand the Electoral College and why it exists...

Oh yeah, and to the "stealing he election" bullshit.

I agree with you completely. Reading DU is like watching a train wreck, morbid and horrible, but very entertaining. It is especially fun to read the day after a primary with everyone sniping at each other. My favorite this morning was the Deaniac insisting the elections have been fixed. The is NO WAY Dean could have lost!

The asterik is straight from their threads; they either write "Bush*" or just the asterik. My guess its from the same reasoning as why Treadue... uh... Truedow... uh... the guy who make the Doonesbury comic strip uses an asterik to represent Bush.

Then again, his primary reason is that he's not very good at drawing.

What is a "Freeper"?

Freepers are people who post to the Free Republic (a conservative forum). I've never checked the site out much myself as I'm just not a forum guy.

Excellent!

Almost as funny as DU itself.

Thanks, Frank J. I always see DU talked about at LGF, but I get bored with the Bushitler and OilWar nonsense, so it had been a long time since I'd been in that low rent area of the blogosphere--well, it's the same dismal circus I'd remembered. What a bunch of loons.

Wow, excellent condensed version! All that's missing is a scraggily-haired activist and/or deceased hippy avatar. Oh, and about 300 puking animated emoticons. Per post. They NEVER get old.

I'm also enjoying how less than 2% of them were pulling for Kerry OR Edwards over the last few months. Hell, Dennis "mind-control satellites" Kucinich was polling far better with these nimrods. I just wish I had a piece of the Koolaid concessions there.

So accurate. I was debating some issue a couple of weeks back oon that site, and while being trashed by the DUers because of my posts I linked to several articles that proved my point unequivically. What did the moderators do? Banned me from posting forever more. Those nutcases will NOT let facts get in the way of the world view.

I love it!!!!! When are you going to do IndyMedia?

As soon as they have a functioning server.

Suh-weet! Really, Frank, that was cool. I'd be pretty hard pressed to tell your thread from the original. Or maybe....Hmmmm....Is it possible...? You leading some kind of double life here? Right-Wing Rottweiler by day, Freakin' Sissy-boy Moonbat Left-Winger at night?

Presidential nicknames: don't forget "Shrub"!

"Then they'll plunge the world into death and chaos and I'll never be able to get another bong.
"
That's the funniest thing I've read all day.

The funny thing is how close this is to a slashdot thread - only the names are changed. Maybe it's just a part of the human condition...

Heh, they've locked new user registration because of you Frank!

another trend they seem to have is copying word for word the title of their threads in the Late Breaking News section from whatever title Drudge (i think thats the only other site they go to) gave the article.

I'd like to see how DU would respond to this, but anyone posting it on there would probably get banned.

hahahaha, that is almost too correct, if thats possible

I think the asterik is supposed to be an asshole. Ol' brown starfish. Bullet wound.

You nailed it right on the head. However, to DU's credit, they now have posts in which they try and convince everyone why their canidate (Dean, Kerry, Clark, etc.) is the only one to have a chance against Bush. Especially funny are the ones that stress that only Kusinich have a chance.

I posted a commentary on DU on my Blog.

Even Fark.com is more balanced that DU

Excellent, Frank. But I'll have to take everyone's word that it's accurate. I think I've spent a total of 20 seconds at DU(h). Seems to me they're all too eloquent, though, and you need a whole lot more TYPOS.

After spending a few more precious seconds over there, I thought it might be funny to Fisk the rules. For example:

Do not post racist, sexist, homophobic, ethnic, anti-religious, or anti-atheist bigotry.

But then I thought, what's the point? You could just insert "Unless you're talking about a conservative" at the end of EVERY rule.

It's a big tent. It's just not THAT big.

Spot on. But you left out their preoccupation with fear, how they constantly threaten to move to Canada to get away from Bush, BFEE, and my all-time favorite wail from DU every time there's a thread about terrorists in Guantanamo or Iraqis being shot by US troops)"My god! What have we become?"

raven,
Good points. Maybe I can make this a living project.

Oh yeah, I had roomates who threatened to move to Cananda if Bush won. I think some of them interned in BC over the summer, unfortunately they came back.

Reminds me, funny thing about their "Bush Recession," they believe it contrary to all the evidence. Hell, I saw it coming in '00. Those same Canadian-Americans were all worked up about the recount and crying "the dems aren't doing enough." My counter was that I was suprised they were doing anything at all; they're ruining their credibility, probably wrong (they were), plus the economy and the financial market are about to go to shit and I'd think they'd want a republican to take the blame. I guess some the reason the securities got so inflated was that liberals just didn't understand the markets or economy and couldn't see it coming.

"you just can't help but gawk at their twisted logic and wild-eyed conspiracy theories. I've even ended up becoming addicted to the site; anytime there is breaking news, I think, "I wonder what the nuts are saying about this," and head straight for DU."

funny, i experience the exact same feelings about little green footballs.

Nicely done. Bravo.

Haha...nice. Am I going to be cursed for reading DEMOCRATIC UNDERGROUND? I tried understand or 'feel' some of the logic...it made me fell dirty. Time for a shower and some disinfectant...

spark21

...see it destroyed my spelling muscle!

"...a train wreck of human thought..."

Dude, that is like so stolen.

It was the Romulans, not Klingons, who invented and possesed "disruptors". And I believe they were also banned by the Federation. The disruptors, not the Romulans.

I am a spook over at DU. I read and occasionally post some things. I keep my posts down as I have no way to be so shrill and angry as they are, and I feel that my posts seem phony.
I wrote about my most recent run-in here

haha

I am evil

I think you just cut-and-pasted that straight from a DU thread and didn't really write it yourself, Frank. The timing is very suspicious anyway since it diverted my attention away from Chimpy's falling approval ratings. Karl Rove obviously put you up to this.

HAHAHA! It's funny 'cause it's true.

The Federation must have gotten disruptors eventually, since Worf was always saying "powering down the disruptors, Captain."

Susie,
Don't make me put a Trek ban here just like they have at the Corner.

Frank J., I encourage you to pick up the torch that the D.U.M.B. (Democratic Underground Monitoring Blog) dropped last summer.

I know what a Freeper is, but what's a Repug? All I got was this.

I know what a Freeper is, but what's a Repug? All I got was this.

I've registered and been kicked off there twice. The first time was in response to a thread about whether one should keep one's money in a mattress or a hole in the ground, since the stock market was doomed. I suggested that it might be a good time to invest. (I was correct) BANNED!

The next time I suggested that maybe Zell Miller was just representing his constituency in a manner consistent with their beliefs. BANNED!

Yeah, that's a really big tent.

Damn funny, Frank! But you left a couple of things out:

1. The addition of some vile Latuff propaganda cartoon extolling the virtues of killing the jooooos or American troops in Iraq.

2. A post about how Bush and/or the jooooos knew about 9/11 ahead of time.

rave,
Dude, I totally don't have the time, but that would be a good job for someone to do.

Classic DU-Idiotry today, From 'Marianne' who, in the middle of blaming the Jews for the Iraqi war and denouncing all things religious, wrote this classic "Humanity has not evolved beyond the tribal goat herder mentality no matter how much wallpaper is applied."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=346869

My favorite DU was after the 2002 midterm elections...

"I need to get out of this country. It's only a matter of time before Ashcroft is having liberals dragged out in the streets and shot."

Sigh, if only...

Bob

I'm so glad that DU is not one of my guilty pleasures. But if I want to spin another tired conspiracy theory, all I have to do is to go to www.buttafly.com and work the Bush Conspiracy Theory Generator.

Looks like the DU is also passing around this letter to it's members.

Dear fellow Bush hater,

Are you sick of the war mongering Bush and his gang wrecking the country and destroying our civil liberties? Then read this manual on how to do your part in spreading the word of how Bush is really a dictator bent on controlling us all. Using this, do your part to spread fear to the masses to get them to follow anything you say. Fear is your ally, fear is your friend, fear is your sleep over buddy. Use fear properly and people will follow you with no questions asked.

For instance nothing scares people more then thinking the government is going to take away their privacy and freedom. Simply go on the internet or write to your local newspaper and say Bush and his Gestapo administration are destroying everyone's civil liberties and is using the completely evil Patriot Act to take away everyone's freedom. Sure, the Patriot Act was actually something passed by Congress and not enacted by the Bush administration. Yeah, the Patriot Act's Section 215 only allows the collecting of documents from a third party, like a credit card or phone company, after a law enforcement agency obtains a warrant from a judge but still keep saying it allows the government to spy on you when it wants to. Of course, before the Patriot Act there was no settled law that prevented the government, a web site, or some average weirdo from spying on people's electronic communications and the passing of it actually makes it harder for the government or anyone else to do this as it specifically makes it illegal for anyone, including law enforcement, to read someone else's e-mail with out first getting a court order. Just what ever you do never mention that and don't let anyone learn about it. If all else fails, just say the government and Bush administration has used the Patriot Act to secretly arrest dozens of people and won't release their names to the media or public. This will strike panic in people. Still, while the government won't release these people's names so terrorist groups don't find out if someone in their group has been caught, each prisoner is given full rights to an attorney and through them or their families can release their name and why they were charged with a crime to the public. That's not exactly secret but whatever, if you say it in a scary manner people will buy it no matter what. Heck, it's become so accepted that the Patriot Act is something that destroys people's civil liberties that even Al Gore, that plucky chap, had said publicly it should be revoked since it takes away American citizens freedom. If he said it, it must be true! Just whatever you do don't let people study this issue on their own.

Of course if some of the people you say this to have a strong will or are just a bunch of imperialist war mongering fascist Bush supporters there are a bunch of other ways to say Bush wants to enslave us all. Just say he uses his enormous power to silence dissent and intimidate opposition. I mean it's completely contradicting to say Bush is silencing dissent and using Orwellian tactics when you and thousands of other people are saying this over and over on television talk shows, radio call in shows, writing into major print media, and plastering it all over the internet freely while Bush and his cronies have never done anything to stop it. But don't worry, no sense is needed here. I also understand it makes no sense to say Bush is intimidating opposition when Democrats and other political "know-it-all's" constantly bash him with outrageous political, ideological, and personal attacks over and over again for over six straight months without ever taking the smallest time to defend himself from such over the top remarks. I guess when you think it about it's a really stupid notion to say Bush is somehow taking away freedom of speech and is silencing everyone's voice by not touching freedom of speech and having everyone openly voice their disgust with him. Oh whatever, if worded properly it scares people so go out and freely say Bush is taking away freedom of speech!

Of course if one of those mindless ignorant Bush lover fools picks up on this utter hypocrisy the best thing to do is to protest. After all, organizing mass rallies to denounce political opposition, spread fear, and attract new mindless followers who don't question anything worked great in late 1920's Germany. So why not use the same tactics now? You would be able to make funny witty signs like "Bush is Hitler" or something else completely original that make a point but don't require any logic or facts to back it up. If any naïve fascists comes up to you and actually has the nerve to ask you to explain your position with a silly question like, "How can you claim to be caring about the people in Iraq yet you never showed any sympathy for them when they were being mass murdered and tortured by Saddam Hussein for all these years? Why weren't you protesting then?", you can just respond with emotionally fueled bits of rage like "America is an imperialist empire" or "We spilled blood for oil"and the best part is dozens of other people around will do the same thing overwhelming the idiot who had the audacity to have you explain your point of view with logic. The even better part is not only do you get to intimidate and silence any dissent like this you also get to go to meetings and speeches sometimes given by people in the evil Bush administration. Like in September when Paul Wolfowitz gave a speech in Manhattan and several times he was interrupted by brave protesters who yelled such clever remarks as "murderer" and "war criminal". At one point someone ran down to the stage, jabbed his finger at him, and shouted "you should be tried for treason you Nazi!" Calling him a Nazi was great because Wolfowitz actually had family members that were murdered in the Holocaust. Classic and very tasteful I felt. Yes, it is the very meaning of the word hypocritical when we say Bush and his monkey slaves intimidate, bully, and silence opposition while we go and intimidate, bully, and try to silence people by interrupting them when they speak. But hey, no one needs to know that, so keep it to yourself.

If a ball licking Bush supporting bastard still wants to debate you after you've pumped enough fear into them use fantastic logic like the Fuher, um I mean, Howard Dean uses and say the war in Iraq and the capturing of Saddam Hussein has done nothing to make us safer. After all there are plenty of other rouge terrorist supporting states that have or are building weapons of mass destruction so how did getting rid of Saddam makes us better off? Yeah, there's the fact that after the war in which the world saw how fast we could topple the regime North Korea suddenly listened to U.S. demands that the talks about it's nuclear program should be multilateral, a stipulation North Korea refused repeatedly at first since they knew it would put them in a bad spot. Yeah, there's the fact that after the war Iran suddenly wanted to open their doors for the IAEA to let nuclear inspectors into the country to "show" they weren't trying to make nuclear weapons. Yeah, there's the fact that Moammar Gadhafi, the radical dictator of Libya who has had and been trying to make weapons of mass destruction, suddenly engaged in secret negotiations with the United States and Britain to dismantle and end it's WMD program a month before the war in Iraq and shockingly just five days after Saddam was caught and shown looking like a ragged Santa Claus who had been out on a three day drinking binge gave into U.S. and English demands. I think those were all just coincidences and good timing though. Just don't mention it. Of course there's also the fact that now the United States over time can rebuild Iraq into a prospering Democracy and help change an area of the world that has had a history of violence, intolerance, oppressive "governments", and is producing the most radical terrorists into a part of the world that is built on freedom, the rights of man, and peace just like the United States did to parts of Asia and West Europe with the rebuilding of Japan and West Germany. I mean, in the short and long run that does make us safer but don't say that. Just keep using fear and say the war was pointless, an imperial grab for oil, and that Bush is somehow a war criminal who slaughtered thousands of innocent Iraqis. Maybe then that ignorant person will get scared or fed up and go away.

OK, if the person still doesn't leave you alone try to get all tricky and legal with them. Say Bush really is a dictator and is going to take away our freedom by saying he is holding people on U.S. soil at Guantanamo Bay in Cuba even though they never got a trial or military tribunal. Sure, they are foreign terrorists captured during the war in Afghanistan and some of the most dangerous, vicious, and homicidal people on earth but if the President is going to hold anybody for an indefinite amount of time there has to be some kind of trial for them as according to our Constitution. See, Bush is being a war criminal because he is breaking the law in holding people for as long as he wants. That is the action of a dictator! This fear tactic will work the best because it's true! The only defense Bush can say when asked about this is this time period is "important" and that the radical people being held are part of an international terrorist network that has declared war on the country and will stop at nothing until it achieves the complete and total destruction of us. So therefore these people are no different then an opposing, or if caught here, invading army and have to be treated "differently". There can be no "different" for the law and if our country allows rule bending or breaking then it will eventually allow tyranny to occur which Bush is obviously trying to do. Our country and it's ideals couldn't withstand such an episode. But wait a minute, there once was a President who also went through a time period in which he said things were "different". He used his power to break the rules and rounded up thousands upon thousands of radical American citizens he considered part of an enemy army on U.S. soil with no trials or military tribunals and held them until he saw fit to let them go. Not only that he used that power to arrest dissidents and shut down opposition newspapers for opposing his actions. He did all these things and not only did the ideals and rules of our society still stand, Abraham Lincoln went down as the greatest President of all time because if he didn't take those actions we most likely would have lost the Civil War and our country, along with it's wacky ideals of liberty and freedom, would have been destroyed. Obviously Abraham Lincoln is different because he also did all those things like take away civil liberties, force a war, and silence dissent to free millions of slaves who were suffering which was a very noble thing. Of course I guess Bush also freed millions of people in Afghanistan and Iraq from some of the worst tyranny in history without really taking away civil liberties or silencing dissent and is now turing his attention to North Korea, Syria, Lebanon, Iran, and Libya to attempt to use diplomatic pressure to do the same. OK, so maybe this isn't the best example to use but don't worry, no one studies history anymore and they'll just believe you if you scare them enough.

All right, so all these examples of spreading fear aren't exactly the best as they don't fit logic or reality when put to the test. Oh well, if you're going to be completely hypocritical, which is unavoidable in this sense, why not go full out? Use fear to further your agenda to say Bush is using fear to further his agenda. Say Bush is over hyping the terrorist threat and he uses that fear to get people to mindlessly follow him. Use the terror alert system as an example as it is always raised to orange, the second highest level. Yeah, so the only times it's been raised the FBI, CIA, and department of Home Land Security all said they picked up serious indications that Al-Qaeda might strike soon somewhere but so what? Just say no attack did occur so therefore it must have been just hype. We know that's completely busted logic and mindless speculation but we're just going all out now! If that doesn't work, just say the aspect of the terrorist threat is all part of Bush's hype machine and only in his mind. I mean sure, 3,000 innocent people did die in a horrific attack just a little over two years ago but no one remembers that anymore so use it to your advantage. I mean people learning the lessons of 9/11? Ha!

So get off your butt and use this fantastic strategy of fear, intimidation, bullying, manipulating, and mindless drone following to go tell people how you think Bush and his administration use fear, intimidation, bullying, manipulating, and create a mindless drone following. If your confronted by one of those morons who want to use logic and common sense against you and he won't leave you alone yell, shut your ears, and call them a nazi fascist-republican conservative-back country-flag waving-religious bible thumping-right wing-gun toting-family kissing-mountain hick for challenging your opinions. If they respond by calling you a liberal or someone who was a very far left view of the world tell them to stop being so ignorant and prejudice.

Go out and do a good job for you're fellow partner in arms. ZIEG HEIL!

Um, I mean have a nice day.

Sincerely,
DU

It's not that DU's a big tent. It's just that the denizens are small.

I posted this URL up at the DU to see their reaction.

Link

The subject says "look at what they say at us." (hopefully it won't be deleted).

damn, did somebody just fart or something? i was blinded by about 6 scrolls' worth of D-U P-U!

You're all a bunch of fascists!
Haliburton!
;)
But seriously, this about sums up the DU.
I love their responses to this site.
"They spelled conservative wrong - LOL"
"Repubs live in fear, don't want to move forward and feel a sense of hopelessness"

Great stuff.

Hey we have those idiots in the UK as well,

check out the chat at www.medialens.org

bushitler/halliburtonhallabja/ etc etc etc

Not just DU.
Half of the left side of the blogosphere.

Raven:

"Frank J., I encourage you to pick up the torch that the D.U.M.B. (Democratic Underground Monitoring Blog) dropped last summer."

Wow, I didn't know anyone actually read DUMB. :-) (I'm the author)

I kinda dropped it because, as Frank demonstrated, they have the same response to everything: Bush-hitler, it's all a Repug plot, Halliburton, etc. Lather, rinse, repeat.

I'll occasionally go spelunking there when a major news story happens, just to see their reaction (and post their reaction at my new home as a guest blogger on www.steveverdon.com), but I just can't make myself go there on a daily basis.

Paul:

"I know what a Freeper is, but what's a Repug?"

Portmanteau combination of "Republican" and "repugnant". Usually they use "Rethug", short for "Republican thugs". Aren't they clever linguists?

Dave: Clever? No. Cunning? They would claim so, but I have my doubts.

Well, I've never linked to DUmb & DUmber, because I'm afraid that a Reader's eyes will melt, and his wife will sue ME rather than them.

No worries on that Kim. Just warn us that vitrol spewing commies are at the other end of the link, we should be ok.

I am just infatuated with George W. Bush. He looked so sexy on TV yesterday.

wow.... just wow.

Funny stuff!
This was linked at another forum (Liberty News Forum).
I joined the DUh site once. Made one post and was banned. My post which caused banning: "Can you prove this?" LOL!

Great job, Frank!

Who is the money and organizing force behind the "Democratic Underground?" Follow the money trail. Better yet, if everything is a conspiracy, perhaps we could use the DU to track down all of the cognatively disfunctional psychotic rioter who threaten US security and put an end to that enemy within our own boarder.

man you people just don't get it. DU is a bastion of progressive ideas and they(we) don't always agree on everything, but we can at least discuss things rationally, unlike you hate mongers. Thats ok, please ban me, I want it. It would be like a badge of honor. Gore won, Franken is great, Coulter is pschyco, O'reilly sucks, CVlinton was a great president, limbaugh is a useless druggie. Had enough? Your leaders are chickenhawks. I have more if anyone wants it.

man you people just don't get it. DU is a bastion of progressive ideas and they(we) don't always agree on everything, but we can at least discuss things rationally, unlike you hate mongers. Thats ok, please ban me, I want it. It would be like a badge of honor. Gore won, Franken is great, Coulter is pschyco, O'reilly sucks, CVlinton was a great president, limbaugh is a useless druggie. Had enough? Your leaders are chickenhawks. I have more if anyone wants it.

Last poster, if you're serious, I'd like to see you go on DU and say something 1/100th as much against their(and your) worldview(e.g., "I don't like Bush's policies, but I can respect him for doing what he thinks is best for the country"). If it's still up 12 hours later, link us to it. Then I might take your comments of "free debate" seriously. But when the only thing you're debating is whether Chomsky is the definition of perfect or merely an implementation of it, you can leave me out.

"DU is a bastion of progressive ideas"???

More like DU is a bastion of one sided slobbering leftists. Ever read the DUmbs rules?

"If you are a conservative; do not bother signing up, we will ban you."

"If you generally like Bush; do not bother signing up, we will ban you."

"If you are not a hate filled leftist; do not bother signing up, we will ban you."

I was banned from DU for saying "Hillarys hot and and not at all fat."

Someone pull my finger.

i got banned after 2 posts. They were pretty moderate too. You should make fun of DU more.

Ive posted this on a few times.... they cant stand being called on it.

I was banned from the DU forum because I dared discuss, in a polite yet thought-provoking way, the ideology and politics you all (and I mean all) adhere to with such unquestioned loyalty and blind enthusiasm. Rush fans have nothing on you "progressive" folks!

For a group so committed to their purported respect for diversity and free speech, I was astounded that I was silenced so quickly, and without explanation. Yes, I am fairly conservative compared to this crowd but more independant in my voting. Is that threatening? Will my comments burst your myopic bubble? Will I rain on your "we are so much smarter" parade? Does your fear of real discussion outweigh your arrogance? Its hard to believe so considering the following post but I'm at a loss to find any other reasonable explanation.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic...

I read and understood the DU forum rules, prior to posting, and it states with the diversity focused, extra-enlightened, embarrassingly-arrogant liberal lingo, that within the forums you "will likely encounter many points of view here that you disagree with." In an even broader stroke of enlightenment and exercise in courage, and in the spirit of truly challenging your highly evolved intellect, the rules further point out... "We ban conservative disruptors who are opposed to the broad goals of this website." The glaring question is, how will anyone in this forum ever hear a point of view that you dont agree with if you are unwilling and unable to open the discussion to OTHER POINTS OF VIEW??

Another question comes to mind. What are the true "broad goals" of this website? Might I speculate that the sole purpose of this website is to: take your money, keep you ignorant and unchallenged in your feel-good, self righteous thoughts, and make you feel safe and cozy in your little "me too" bubble, surrounded on all sides by people... JUST LIKE YOU? Diversity you say?

There is no question that the purpose of you being here is to share your liberal ideas, meeting dates, hate campaign of the day etc. But why are you so drawn to a forum where diversity, dissention, and debate is outlawed? I thought liberals invented those traits (I think Al Gore said that). Do you learn anything here beyond the date of the next feel-good, issue-of-the-day rally? Is this only what you feel comfortable with or do you feel DU serves some other, more enlightened purpose? Perhaps you feel having a little liberal rec room all to your own, absent of true logical engagement, is healthy for your political conscience.

Surely you all can find forums that are open to truly diverse points of view. Surely you can take the collective liberal circle jerk into the public forum. Or are you hiding behind these ideologicial walls in fear because you find solace in your consolidated groupthink?

Just a thought but you might want to break out of the little "most righteous" bubble you live in and start thinking for yourselves. Its hardly surprising the right wing is gaining more and more influence in public office and in the hearts and minds of Americans. This forum, this shining example of enlightened, intellectual liberal discourse is nothing more than a frightened and uninspiring "me too" festival. Sheep? Yes, I think you have redefined that term here.

When you are ready, I invite you to join me and my fellow Americans in the truly meaningful discussion that is going on all around you.

Thank you

currently: helmeuth
formerly: grkda
...more coming soon, im sure

P.S. I would like to refer you to my previous posts but most were deleted by the "moderator". Hail free speech! There is, however, one remaining post that for some reason has not yet been dispatched with. Yes, its a shockingly disruptive post; dangerous to everyone who isnt able or comfortable using their heads for anything other than sucking a marlboro through!
Hail DU!!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=713497

The DU fanatics are just pussies who's entire world collapses when someone so much as tells them that they might want to back up some point they made with hard evidence. I've checked out Protestwarrior.com a little, and even people of the hardliner Marxist Left aren't censored there, even though most people there are Conservative or Libertarian. It's now quite obvious just who the Facists are.

The Democrat Underground is one of the worst places on the web. Just to view a few posts is to step into the darkest realm of Stalinism and Marxism imaginable. These are people that should not be in the USA as some of their posts are very anti-capitalism, anti-America, and virtually treasonous, such as hoping the US loses the Iraq war just to make Bush look bad. On right-wing message boards, the enviroment is quite different. They do accept liberals on the boards, however be expected to put up a fight and debate. The DU can't handle anyone having a different opinion let alone squash their conspiracy theories (Read the 9/11 thread at http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=125&topic_id=2443#2444 )
Scary stuff, right?

Only thing missing is a reference to "BushCo." Also, "repugs" has been replaced by "Rethuglicans".

I urge any DU member who thinks he has the guts to go to the "Autobiography of Malcolm X" and read Chapter 15. You are exactly the kinds of liberals that he despised. He speaks more kindly about the Southerners of the 1960's than he does of your smug, superior, condescending asses. You are the modern-day reincarnation of the jackasses who invited yourselves in to join the March on Washington in '63 and then used your presence there as a status symbol. At least with the right (excluding the really whacked-out fringe) there is the possibility of debate. Not with you. You are the first people that will call any black man a Tom who does not smile and gratefully accept all that you are doing for him. Malcolm told it to one of your white asses, when asked "what can I do?" Do you remember his answer? "Nothing!" Because he knew you for what you so proudly identify yourselves as, "the top 1-20 % in intelligence." The truest of the self satisfied "superior" elite that can't wait to hand out the s--t to everyone who won't bow down and worship your big F-----g brains. I would bet whatever I have in my wallet though, that the ones who use Malcolm's picture on their posts are as white as my neighbor's dog. You're the same stupid posers who stuck that poster up in your college dorm room hoping for the "cool points you automatically thought would accrue with your black neighbor down the hall. And John Kerry is right there with you in his mind-bending hypocrisy! When do you think he ever preached in a black church before this campaign? I'll vote for Bush simply because he knows who he is, and he lets me know who he is. As long as the fight is on between two Yale-educated corporate whores, I'll take the one who doesn't try to pass himself off as the next "Black" President. By way of signing off, I'll add this. My politics probably don't mesh with the guy who runs this site, but I stand a better chance of this being seen here, where you DU types might actually see it, rather than on your site which WILL NOT allow the one thing that Malcolm X asked for more than anything else: "Raw, honest debate to clear the air."