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April 02, 2004
Our Military II
Posted by Frank J. at 12:41 PM | View blog reactions | Comments (23)

Here's some more of what I got. I'll probably be making a regular feature of this because I enjoy it at least.

* * * *

Gregg from Alexandria VA writes:

I thought you might enjoy this description of the Branches of the U.S. Military. In the interest of disclosure, I should tell you that I spent 12 years in the Air Force.

If you ask the Marines to “secure a building”, they will send a squad under cover of darkness who will place explosive charges and blow the building up. They will then report back that the building is secured.

If you ask the Army to “secure a building”, they will send a platoon of soldiers with artillery support who will clear the building and establish a 360 degree cordon around it. They will then report back that the bldg is secured.

If you ask the Navy to “secure a Building” they will send 2 Sailors and a Chief (who will undoubtedly have a cup of coffee in his hand). The Chief will order the two Sailors to turn off the coffee pot, turn off all of the lights and lock the doors to the Building. They will then report back that the building is secure.

If you ask the Air Force to “secure a building” they will get you a 6 year lease with an option to buy.


DNice writes:

Okay Frank, I'll give it a shot for the Army.

I read, with great interest, the ravings of the Air Force puke. What a wuss and a whiner!

By the way, in basic training (NOT BOOT CAMP!!! Basic Training!!!), one of the first things they taught us was not to stand around with our hands in our pockets. Our Drill Instructors referred to this as wearing your Air Force gloves.

I was stationed in southern VA near an Air Force Base, and we did some joint training with them, and I kind of got to know some of them (we'd go to the same church off post, etc.). What Wacky Hermit says is generally true regarding rank and whatnot. But I spent a bit of time on the Air Force Base and I can tell you, while they may not have got the promotions and pay, they had a KICK ASS standard of living. Those places were PLUSH compared to the stinking holes we lived in. And the food at the mess hall!!! Damn they ate good.

Here's a piece of trivia for you. The Army has the largest number of personnel, more boats than the Navy, more aircraft than the Air Force, more brains than the Marines (sorry, I couldn't resist) and the smallest budget of all of the services.

Anyway, if you really want to know what day-to-day life in the Army is like, then watch Platoon. Take out all of the drug stuff (that was WAY
overdone) and they really got it right. The lingo, the uniforms (one of my pet peeves is to see how movies screw up the wearing of uniforms...
insignia all wrong, pinned where they shouldn't be), the way they interacted. It was exact. In fact, they have a scene where the new lieutenant comes through the tent where the enlisted guys are hanging out (doing drugs... DAMN!) and the way he is REALLY uncomfortable and they are making him know he's not one of them... Everyone who's been enlisted in the Army has been in that room, and seen that exact scenario play out. It was priceless.

BTW, I saw that movie in a U.S. Army movie theatre in Erlangen Germany in 1988, and there were still a bunch of Vietnam Vets in our unit that went with us. There was dead silence after it was over and everyone just walked out (kind of like the Passion is doing today). We knew they had got it right.

Also, Basic Training is over rated as being hard. It was hard if you don't like people yelling at you (curiously people from broken homes had a hard time with this... never figured the connection out, but it was pretty universal). It didn't bother me that much. It was 8 weeks of camp for me. When I was going to make Sergeant (E-5) they sent me to the NCO Academy in Kitzingen Germany for 4 weeks of pure hell! THAT was hard. It was WAY worse than basic training! Lights out at 11:00pm and wake up at 3:00am with PT twice a day, and 12 hours of classes in between! FOUR WEEKS! That was the hardest thing I've ever done.

That's it, hope it helps.


Casey writes:

Young and impressionable that is exactly what I was. A walking piece of meat to recruiters. I went into every branche's office. The Navy, well they had the promise of getting me an education and traveling the world, Army was just what everyone was doing, it was packed full of highschool seniors being promised the MOS of Army Ranger, the Air Force had some cute girls signing up (which is a rarity) and well the Marine Corps was empty with just some mean looking Staff Sgt's arm wrestling.......yes sooo stereotypical....sooo me.

No promises of bonus's, education, girls, just the promise of the toughest recruit training in the western hemisphere, hell for the world for that matter. With that In mind I signed over my soul to the United States Marine Corps. I was a decent 18 year old, pretty smart, got along fine with my parents, no legal problems, could of gone to a good college, but no welcome to the school of hard knocks...Known to most has Marine Corps Recruit Depot San Diego.

Yes every red blooded American has seen "Full Metal Jacket" and Most dismiss it has an exagerated horror story.......Au Contrair! While slightly dramatic and exagerated it was pretty damn close. As part of 1st Btn Charlie company Plt 1077, I learned what it took to become a man, then destroyed that mold and became a MARINE. You start off on black sunday when you first meet your drill instructors. The first two to three weeks are the worst. The DI's are always screaming and yelling at you, kicking sand in your face, making the over weight kids dance in their skivies to circus tunes. After the first couple weeks every recruit breaks, whether it just be a small tear to a compelte mental breakdown. The DI's are doing their job. You want to learn, the thought of running into machine gun fire to save your squad sounds like a good idea. Soon the DI's ease up a bit and let the Platoon's police their own. Whether it be a shouting match between squad leaders to a complete bloody brawl. As every Marine Knows, what goes on behind those walls stays behind the walls. After dozens of three mile runs, Island hopping campaigns in the sand box's, and quarter deck sessions; the recruits are ready to head to Camp Pendleton to Edson range where they will learn to become trained killers, they will learn to become one with the M-16A2 service rifle. To most branches the M-16 is a cool "gun", or a "thing" I shot in boot camp. Umm Negative ALPHA ONE...........Every Marine from Female private Admin 01 to Alpha Male Gysgt Scout Sniper 8541 can drop a man size target at 500yds without even thinking about it. After hundreds of rounds sent down range and what seems like humping hundreds of miles around shitty southern California you are ready to graduate. The men that swore at you, made you cry, made you wish you wear wearing that Air Force Bus driver getup, are now your fathers. And when that Senior Drill Instructor hands you the revered Eagle Globe and Anchor. You are eight feet tall, bullet proof, use the F* word as if it is a noun and a adjetive, you are now a United States Marine. You hug your parents your mom crys, your dad says im proud of you son, your friends are now scared of you, but all you want......all you want it to F* the living daylights out of the first girl you see and then do it again and again. And if her boyfriend says anything, you have a new talent to show him, its called the Marine Corps Martial Arts. Time to head home for 10 days till you back at it again.......and then that is where the fun begins.


Fianlly, here are some anecdotes and some jokes from Adela:

This isn't the full description that the other person's was, but...

Her Air Force description was very good. One thing though, concerning the joke, it probably originated as she said, but people tell it using whatever branches suit them. Ex. a Marine will tell it as the Marine being the one who didn't wash because he didn't pee on himself.

The Air Force is the most well-treated branch, and yes, they are known for being the smart branch who does nothing physical. This is mostly true. When the war in Iraq just started, I saw an officer from another branch (I think it was a Marine) being asked a few questions. When the reporter asked how things were going in general, the Marine officer said, "Oh it's getting really serious. So serious in fact, I saw an Air Force officer going to the gym yesterday."

My dad said that when he went to Guantanamo Bay Cuba with the AF the Navy stayed on their ship, the Army and Marines stayed in tents and he stayed in a 5-star hotel.

The Air Force often uses the Army to do their manual labor - cooking food, cleaning, etc. or they hire civilians. I don't know how unusual it is for an AF person to do such a job, but I do know it's not a bit uncommon for them to hire out.

The Air Force has the shortest (and reputedly easiest) boot camp - only 6 weeks.

So, the AF is the smart branch. Marines and Army are dumb and tough. The Navy is known for being the gay branch.

Navy joke, perhaps not family-friendly enough for your site:
Why did the Navy switch to powdered soap?
It takes longer to pick up.

Oh! On AF fighter pilots being egomaniacs - I've heard the same about all fighter pilots, but I have not personally met one. However:
Q: What's the difference between a fighter pilot and a jet engine?
A: A jet engine stops whining when the plane shuts down.

Q: How do you know if there is a fighter pilot at your party?
A: He'll tell you.

Also:

During training exercises, the lieutenant who was driving down a muddy back road encountered another jeep stuck in the mud with a red-faced colonel at the wheel. "Your jeep stuck, sir?" asked the lieutenant as he pulled alongside.

"Nope," replied the colonel, coming over and handing him the keys, "Yours is."

* * * *

Having just moved into his new office, a pompous, new colonel was sitting at his desk when an airman knocked on the door. Conscious of his new position, the colonel quickly picked up the phone, told the airman to enter, then said into the phone, "Yes, General, I'll be seeing him this afternoon and I'll pass along your message. In the meantime, thank you for your good wishes, sir." Feeling as though he had sufficien! tly impressed the young enlisted man, he asked, "What do you want?"

"Nothing important, sir," the airman replied, "I'm just here to hook up your telephone."

* * * *

On some air bases the Air Force is on one side of the field and civilian aircraft use the other side of the field, with the control tower in the middle. One day the tower received a call from an aircraft asking, "What time is it?"

The tower responded, "Who is calling?"

The aircraft replied, "What difference does it make?"

The tower replied "It makes a lot of difference. If it is an American Airlines flight, it is 3 o'clock. If it is an Air Force plane, it is 1500 hours. If it is a Navy aircraft, it is 6 bells. If it is an Army aircraft, the big hand is on the 12 and the little hand is on the 3. If it is a Marine Corps aircraft, it's Thursday afternoon and 120 minutes to "Happy Hour".

* * * *

Officer: "Soldier, do you have change for a dollar?"
Soldier: "Sure, buddy."
Officer: "That's no way to address an officer! Now let's try it again!"
Officer: "Soldier. Do you have change for a dollar?"
Soldier: "No, SIR!"

* * * *

"Well," snarled the tough old Navy Chief to the bewildered Seaman. "I suppose after you get discharged from the Navy, you'll just be waiting for me to die so you can come and urinate on my grave."

"Not me, Chief!" the Seaman replied. "Once I get out of the Navy, I'm never going to stand in line again!"

* * * *

I have a backlog of more to put up, but keep it coming. If you have military experience (first-hand or second-hand) I'd love to hear more jokes and anecdotes (though I doubt anyone can beat Blackfive on military anecdotes - if you never read about his encounter with a French General, do so now). E-mail me with the subject "Military".

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A few years back, my brother had gone to train soldiers in a country that had once been our enemy. As I listened to him tell of this experience, I couldnt help but wonder if it was wise to teach them something they could some day use against us. He quickly eased my mind with this: We may teach them everything THEY know, but NOT everything WE know.

God, I love this country.

#1 - Posted by: on April 2, 2004 01:15 PM

DNice said the Army has more aircraft than the Air Force... I would love to see under what reasoning this could be possible. Sure mayeb back ni the early 90s when you still had al those C-141s down in Charlston. Now, if the Army goes anywhere, you fly in the AF C-5s, if you need air support, you call on AF A-10s, if you have cargo coming in, it's likely coming in on an AF C-17 Globemaster. All you air ops, with the exception of helicopter work, is done by the Air Force. How could you possibly have more aircraft than the Air Force?

Lieut. Bales

#2 - Posted by: AF Lieut on April 2, 2004 02:50 PM

Check out this army helicopter pilot video -

Best quote: "We have activity but I don't think we need to report it. It appears to be fornication in a convertible"

http://www.fuckallyall.com/article1893.html

#3 - Posted by: Bill on April 2, 2004 02:53 PM

I loved the encounter with a French general. Anyone who is able to crack a 'surrender' joke in front of a Froggish general has my lifelong respect.

#4 - Posted by: on April 2, 2004 03:24 PM

Casey,

Semper Fi you Hollywood Marine. Do ya' still got yer issue sunglasses?

Damn, son, your little tale made me laugh and then it made me choke up when you talked about graduation. You got it in the center ring. Nothing in my life has hit me as hard as the first time our DI's called us Marines.

RC
One Time Corporal, USMC
First Battalion, Platoon 1107 (1976)

#5 - Posted by: RC on April 2, 2004 06:37 PM

Lt Bales,

Those "C-141's down in Charleston" belonged to the USAF. The Army jumpers used to get carried to work by them. During 1989 Operation Just Cause, they carried around 2000 82nd AB troops to surprise the thugs in Panama.

Still, I don't know anything about the numbers of aircraft in each service. I've been in and around the USAF for over 33 years. I've heard the claim before. And while I'm sure that there are lots of choppers and small fixed wing prop aircraft in the Army, I don't know that it exceeds the numbers of aircraft in the USAF. However, each service has aircraft that positively kicks butt for its intended purpose!! Just ask the bad guys!!

#6 - Posted by: clews on April 2, 2004 07:46 PM

The Ultimate Differential Theory of US Armed Forces
Upon encountering a snake in the Area of Operations (AO)

originally posted over at Stryker's place i believe.

#7 - Posted by: rt on April 2, 2004 08:31 PM

Uh-Rah for the discription of the Marine branch, brought a tear to this 'ole jarhead's eye as well!

#8 - Posted by: DaDougster on April 2, 2004 08:38 PM

We must stand up for our fellow Americans. This is no time for partisan politics. Guys if you are just as sick as I am about Daily Kos remark about the 4 dead American contractors, He welcomed their death and said "screw them" visit this site
http://michael-friedman.com/archives/000311.html

Michael Friedman is organizing an e-mail campaign to demand that the Democratic candidates pull their ads from the Daily Kos site. It seems to work. I got an e-mail from one of the candidates telling me they are pulling their ad. We should not allow this infamy to stand.
.

#9 - Posted by: Ricky Vandal on April 2, 2004 08:51 PM

Hah, loved that sneaky target vid of the coupling couple. Showed it to the wife. She was happy I declined to bring her out to Normandy DZ for some necked fun!

#10 - Posted by: rockynoggin on April 2, 2004 09:08 PM

Actually the Army does have more aircraft than the Air Force and more boats than the Navy.
Keep in mind that, to them, aircraft means "anything that flies" and boats mean "anything that floats".
A UAV is not the same as an F-15 (although F-14s are MUCH cooler) and a john boat ain`t the same as an Aircraft Carrier.
When I built a dock at the base the Coast Gaurd offered me a clam shell boat ( half boat/half inflatable raft) and the Navy offered me a 50` barge as a work platform. The clam shell was unthinkable and the wake from other boats in the channel kept causing the barge to knock my pilings over before I could set them. I solved the problem by getting a 16` john boat from Special Forces, it worked great. So you see, the Army DOES have more BOATS than the Navy, but not more SHIPS.

#11 - Posted by: joatmoaf on April 2, 2004 09:42 PM

Casey-- Nice job, Leatherneck... you nailed it. I'll remind you, though, that it is not possible to really make someone understand... it's just not possible.

#12 - Posted by: Devil Dog on April 2, 2004 10:44 PM

joatmoaf,

Uhh... The Navy has John boats too (lots). And the Air Force flies most of the UAVs (Predator, Global Hawk) so the Army can't be counting them. Just wondered about an official source for this sort of data. All this speculation and assumption sounds too much like Demorat logic :) (No I ain't callin' nobody names. I don't know the facts myself. It's just that facts are stubborn things and I ain't sure we're dealing with facts.)

#13 - Posted by: clews on April 2, 2004 11:12 PM

The Army doesn't have ANY fixed-wing aircraft.

#14 - Posted by: Brandon on April 3, 2004 01:17 AM

A-10s were Army aircraft. The Army is who kept them from being scrapped until they could prove themselves.The only reason the Air Force held onto them until Gulf war I was because the Army was going to make them a part of their arsonal if the AF scrapped them. And Brandon a Piper cub is a fixed wing aircraft. The Army has them. The Army has a LOT of helicopters too.
Read my post again. Anything manmade that flies a mission is considered an aircraft. Who said anything about jet fighters? The Army DOES have more boats than the navy as in small water craft. The COE (Corps of Engineers) are responsible for building, repairing and maintaining all government waterway installations in the continental U.S. They do it from boats. Lots of them of all different kinds I know because I used to work for COE, and COE is Army. I was also in the Navy for 4 years and now I work for them so I have a pretty good idea what kind of boats & ships they have and how many.

#15 - Posted by: joatmoaf on April 3, 2004 04:13 AM

Army fixed-wing aircraft (like those Piper Cubs) are technically on loan from the Air Force. And suggesting that the Army would take the A-10 is crazy.

#16 - Posted by: Brandon on April 3, 2004 06:22 PM

I heard that A-10's were not a ride to higher rank in the A.F. The Army would, indeed, take the Warthog in a minute. Jarheads always prefer their own close air support, so there may be something to it.
My infantry secret was to spread out and never look worth an expensive shot. I yell at movies when a patrol is all bunched up.

#17 - Posted by: Walter Wallis on April 3, 2004 08:42 PM

The A-10 Warthog (now Tank Buster) was designed to comply with Army specifications, not Air Force. It was an Army idea and initiated by the U.S.Army, not the Air force. The Air Force hated the Warthog. The only reason they held on to it was because they knew the army was waiting for them to scrap it so that they could claim it for their own. The Air Force does not want or need another air force to compete with for funding. They have the Navy,who has their own aircraft, to compete with already. Aircraft are expensive and money is too tight for them to give up some of what they already have for the Army.
The problem was that the air Force thinks of themselves as high tech jet jocks, either fighter or bomber, and the lowly Warthog, which was designed for a specific attack/close air support mission, was considered too low tech and beneath them. Once it proved it`s effectiveness in battle they finally started giving it the respect it deserved.

#18 - Posted by: joatmoaf on April 4, 2004 03:44 AM

The Communists across the DMZ had HUGE klieg lights that they used to follow our truck up the hill when we changed work Tricks...

And altho we were Army Security Agency, (ASA, under NSA) we recognized that the Air Force had better perks IF one took into consideration the lack of promotions and overall general state of affairs, BUT...

Army Security Agency had the top 10% of the intellectual-types, learning Russian or Korean or Chinese fluently, then learning about Traffic Analysis or Electronic CounterMeasures or whatall in order to come to our island and work on our mountain-top...

Where we were doing another day's work when someone shouted to come look at the front gate of our Topside secure compound... our PFC was standing down a General who thought he'd give us slackers a pop inspection, but since he didn't have the security clearance to come in, he was facing a cocked, loaded .45 and one very determined PFC who was informing him of the facts of life. The red-faced moron backed down and left after about 12 minutes of "Don't you know who I am?!"

Being ASA had its benefits, even on an island on the North Korean DMZ!

#19 - Posted by: SharpShooter on April 4, 2004 06:52 AM

In answer to Lt. Bales...

Hey Lt. where are we????

Ha, couldn't resist.

Helicopters count as aircraft, don't they?

DNice

#20 - Posted by: DNice on April 5, 2004 02:26 PM

joatmoaf,

The A-10s were NEVER Army aircraft. True, around 1990 the USAF was considering scrapping them. And, there was talk that they would go to the Army. But, that was talk. The A-10 was built to kill tanks and provide Close Air Support (CAS). THe USAF has never really relished the CAS role. Once the Cold War ended and the US was no longer worried about destroying mass numbers of tanks pouring throught the Fulda Gap, the USAF reconsidered the value of the A-10. But, as you mentioned, it proved itself in the Gulf War to be the effective tank killer it was designed to be.

I occasionally get to support one of their squadrons today, the 23rd Flying Tigers part of the 4th Fighter Wing. Still, if the Army is counting the A-10 as one of its aircraft now or ever, they're just delusional :)

#21 - Posted by: clews on April 5, 2004 10:04 PM

I realize that this is really late and that you guys will probably never see it, but just for the record, The AF may have considered getting rid of it (the A-10), but not because any AF members didn't like it. Ask anyone in the AF who knows about it and they'll tell you that it's worth its weight in gold. The Warthog is one ugly, tough SOB and it'll be a sad day when it finally gets replaced. (I want one when they do.)

#22 - Posted by: Trucido on July 14, 2004 03:00 PM
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