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November 23, 2004
Question of the Day
Is IMAO notable? The debate rages on at Wikipedia, but I'm not sure what standard they are using for notable to say if I do or do not meet it. I tried looking up Wikipedia in the Wikipedia, but wasn't enlightened on what the content of the Wikipedia should be limited to. Anyway, this seems like an inefficient process with all this debating... especially considering that just anyone can come in and add things without even registering. Still, they are quite quick to delete references to Glenn Reynolds being called the "puppy blender" (even though it's true) as soon as it appears. Maybe such a reference would better go on the entry for IMAO... if it's deemed notable. Now, one person on the debate said that blogs in general are not notable. That's quite spurious. Certainly some blogs have had more influence on news and politics that the Wikipedia which itself was deemed notable enough for an entry. Then the question is, what blogs are notable? Of course the puppy blender is, but is the not so humble IMAO? Anyway, I'd like to hear arguments for and against IMAO being notable, and, if notable, what specifically makes it notable. I know my readers probably won't want to admit reading something un-notable, but maybe write some arguments against just for fun. Maybe later I'll try using that info to write a more encyclopedic (i.e., not silly, like previous attempts) entry about my blog… with extra information only I am privy to. So... what do you think? UPDATE: I'm now decided on this topic. The Carrot Top movie is in Wikipedia (and they are requesting a more expanded article about it). If that's the standard, my blog is certainly notable. 58 Responses To "Question of the Day"
Frank, in all honesty, IMAO is run by a bunch of arrogant partisan nutjobs who post conspiracy theories and rumors as if they were actual facts and evidence. I stopped going there this week and just bought Encarta instead. I posted a fairly angry complaint about them and their policies in the talk section of "9/11 Conspiracy Theory" and then went out yesterday and bought Encarta. It tends to be somewhat soft now and then but at least it's not written by left-wing maniacs. IMAO not making into Wikipedia should not, I think, be considered too great a loss. #1 - Posted by: antodav on November 23, 2004 12:43 PM"Frank, in all honesty, IMAO is run by a bunch of arrogant partisan nutjobs who post conspiracy theories and rumors as if they were actual facts and evidence." Hey! That's what I was going to say!! That is why you aren't notable Frank #2 - Posted by: gaskar on November 23, 2004 12:52 PM"IMAO is run by a bunch of arrogant partisan nutjobs" ? Wow, antodav. *sniff* thanks a lot. #3 - Posted by: LynnGunn on November 23, 2004 12:53 PMI think he meant Wikipedia and not IMAO... or I hope so. #4 - Posted by: Frank J. on November 23, 2004 12:53 PMWell Google returns 4,210 results for "IMAO + notable" vs 3,260 results for "IMAO + not notable". Guess that means you’re pretty notable, Frank. Notable? Hell it's barely readable. Except for the lavishly illustrated cartoons (I wish I could draw) that are soon to be syndicated world wide... #6 - Posted by: Kevin on November 23, 2004 01:16 PMStuck in the quicksand of Unfunny...do you really want to be noticed by so much pole inserted into so much butt? #7 - Posted by: gibsonrlz on November 23, 2004 01:26 PMI am here. Therefore IMAO is notable. #8 - Posted by: Bob on November 23, 2004 01:31 PMI noticed the t-shirt babe, does that count for "notable"? #9 - Posted by: timmyroy on November 23, 2004 01:44 PMI find it quite notable that Frank J. draws quite fine political cartoons of the humor genre. It's even more notable that his stick drawings are actually as good as an average seven year old. Yep, IMAO, is notable! And if that argument doesn't grab you, try this one. The future undecided voters at an undisclosed high school in rural southeastern Ohio are fast leaning to adult conservatism due to the humor of Frank J. IMAO where it's cool to be conservative. Gracie #10 - Posted by: gracies on November 23, 2004 01:56 PMIMAO is the first blog I have ever read.[I started about 3 months ago] I found it by googling anti-Moore websites. I linked to other blogs but I am only addicted to IMAO. FrankJ obviously uses subliminal messaging which is surely notable. #11 - Posted by: Sarah on November 23, 2004 02:07 PMIMW alone makes IMAO notable. It gives me a glimpse of a great future, where normal Americans are allowed to kick ass,liberals are scorned, foriegners are subjugated, and dangerous foriegners are providing nutrition for the bottom feeders in our ecosystem. No other site on the web that I know of has anything comparable to IMW. Most of the rest of Frank's shit is moderately funny too. Maybe Chomps could pay a visit to this Wikipedia dude. #12 - Posted by: Sticky B on November 23, 2004 02:10 PMyou are notable, look at your naked pic at the mountaineermusing.com parody site. WOW without the pixels. #13 - Posted by: Sarah on November 23, 2004 02:51 PMYou guys are forgetting Frank's most important contribution to the world EVER -- Nuke the Moon. I don't think the wikipedia folks have made that association yet. But if they knew that they were dealing with "the guy that wants to nuke the moon" I think it'd go in post-haste. #14 - Posted by: RJ on November 23, 2004 02:52 PMIMAO is notable if only for revealing the truth about Glenn Reynolds. A truth that the wikipedia people have closed their eyes to. The truth of puppy-blending. #15 - Posted by: shaggydave on November 23, 2004 02:57 PMThe mere fact that, at a bare minimum, the Fox News Network makes occasional reference to Bloggers who also list IMAO in their Blog lists, makes IMAO notable. But the fact that I, CDR Will, deign to comment on this blog makes it not only notable, but more important to today's society than the CBS Evening News with Dan Rather. Of course, that really isn't saying much. #16 - Posted by: CDR Will on November 23, 2004 02:57 PMYou are not noteable because you are a right wing conservative pig who loves the JOOS! #17 - Posted by: leftwitngmoorefan on November 23, 2004 02:59 PMI meant Wikipedia...sorry :-( This is OT to this thread because for some reason the other comment page to the "Ronin thought of the day" post, asking for blog links, doesn't wanna come up for me.. Anyway, here is my contribution. Scroll to the last two. I thought these were pretty damn cool. #19 - Posted by: Lydia on November 23, 2004 03:02 PM^^^ But anyway, yeah...WIKIPEDIA has about as much credibility, objectivity, or non-partisanship as the Mainstream Media. They do offer some interesting facts about people that can't be found elsewhere (look up the biographies of Grover Cleveland and Woodrow Wilson for good examples), but the encyclopedia's integrity is greatly tainted by the lunatic fringe who seem to run amok in the place. #20 - Posted by: antodav on November 23, 2004 03:04 PMIMAO is notable b/c it is my favorite humour blog (2nd overall), and one day I will be famous, and everyone will care which blogs I like. #21 - Posted by: Elliot Temple on November 23, 2004 03:08 PMMy defense of blogs in general (and IMAO as an example of such) is notable and should be entered as a wonderful example of fisking stupid whiney liberal asshats. Of course, that's just my opinion. #22 - Posted by: Confederate Yankee on November 23, 2004 03:14 PMIt is notable to me as it is the first blog I see after mine every morning and the forth overall web site I look every morning after Drudge, Fark, and mine. I am sure that there are others out there with the same amount of loyalty which makes it notable. #23 - Posted by: brew on November 23, 2004 03:14 PMI deem your site notable. I print it out and take notes on it all day. #24 - Posted by: Josh on November 23, 2004 03:34 PMFrank you caught me about 18 months ago with Nuke the Moon. You are notable. However, you should sell your NTM plan to Rumsfeld. I can see it now..."hello, Jacques?". Also, instead of nuking ourselves we should just nuke a piece of France. We bought the damn place with our blood. #25 - Posted by: Mongo on November 23, 2004 03:47 PMFrank, if I had a blog, I would link to yours. Since actual linking among blogs is 'backscratching', my not linking to you from my non-blog makes IMAO significant. (In all fairness I do plan to eventually start my own blog, and then I'll link to you and make you insignificant). #26 - Posted by: humanoverlord on November 23, 2004 04:02 PMFrank, I have you linked twice on my blog (guess I make up for humanoverlord). :o) #27 - Posted by: Mongo on November 23, 2004 04:04 PMIMAO is a most notable weblog because it brought, and continues to bring, humor with it's over the top creativity and style at a dangerous time in this country (world even) when I, personally, thought nothing would ever be funny again. There's also suspense, romance (yeah I had to keep coming back to see if FrankJ would properly woo the lovely SarahK), real information embedded with the funny (even if you need a bulldozer to find it), and gives one the sense of community (and some more laughs) when reading reader's comments. Apparently a whole lotta people agree with me. Also, because FrankJ will be famous some day and everyone will laugh at the dumbasses at Wikipedia who said his blog wasn't notable. Wikipedia has an entry titled "Ass to Mouth." Are we really having this conversation right now? #29 - Posted by: Jeff Harrell on November 23, 2004 04:24 PMWhere's my asshat? #30 - Posted by: ThunderSlug on November 23, 2004 04:53 PMI think that if there is a debate about the worth of something, that in and of itself is proof that the something has worth. I liken this to a discussion about whether to ban or not ban a popular but controversial book (say, Harry Potter). If there is a big public outcry to ban the book, then more people are going to want to read the book, making it more important to keep the book available. Frank, you are now the Harry Potter of the web. #31 - Posted by: Gullyborg on November 23, 2004 04:57 PMCan someone explain to me why we care what Wikipedia thinks? #32 - Posted by: ChrTh on November 23, 2004 05:12 PMFrankJ: to whom do wish to be notable? I don't remember how I found this blog during the heat of the election campaign, but I found your approach interesting and funny. Do the weenies at whatever-pedia understand that DU and that anti-draft site that adverted briefly here during the election are indifferent at best to the fact that good men (and women) bleed and sometimes die to preserve the right of those A-holes to mock them for their sacrifice? There's no such thing as bad publicity, I guess, but forgive me if I refuse to give a shit.
Wikipedia is now urging me to stop updating the Instapundit page. I say every IMAO reader should make it a daily ritual to check the Instapundit page for content, and edit as necessary. #35 - Posted by: Gullyborg on November 23, 2004 06:02 PMSome Gamaliel calls it "utterly insignificant". That should be a good signal or something. By the use of long words like "utterly". Of course anybody using very hard words like that should be either some genius or some arrogant nobody. Make a guess... #36 - Posted by: kyber on November 23, 2004 06:28 PMThanks Mongo for picking up the slack. #37 - Posted by: humanoverlord on November 23, 2004 06:54 PMAnd let us not forget that IMAO is being read internationally. Why just this last week they were trying to figure out his "In My World: The Fallujah Peace Accord" just like US! Gracie #38 - Posted by: gracies on November 23, 2004 06:59 PMIMAO is noteworthy because it taught this immigrant (and her friends from foreign lands) everything she needed to know about America and why it is great. It is therefore a crucial facet of American foreign policy. Hearing about SMITE, Chomps and Buck has struck fear into the hearts (if they have them) of Commies the world over. Is your last name really "Fleming"? #40 - Posted by: Protagonist on November 23, 2004 09:25 PMI do have to say that IMAO's noteworthiness-quotient would increase drastically if there was a Happy Dance... #42 - Posted by: MK on November 23, 2004 09:51 PMFrankly, I'm beginning to think the main Wikipedia is outliving its usefulness. The offshoots devoted to specific topics seem to be more focused on delivering information (here is one I help contribute to) than these guys. They seem to be rather out of the loop; if they don't think blogs are important to the modern Internet landscape, they've been sleeping. Perhaps the answer is to start a blog wiki...if that wouldn't be redundant in some way. #43 - Posted by: Big Dog on November 23, 2004 11:01 PMBlog wiki? Wiki blog? Frog blast the vent core! #44 - Posted by: Jeff Harrell on November 23, 2004 11:20 PMAnybody who thinks of Wikipedia as "them", should start editing. It's an open system. Add data, shake, sift. Lather, rinse, repeat. It winds up being a pretty useful research tool. Even very heated debates generally congeal into useful analysis. The weak point is just what you're looking at-- whether or not to include an article. Probably, we need another sister project-- wikivanity, wikiculture, or something like that. All you have to do Frank is have an angle. Instead of trying to start with a listing about IMAO, you could try to add a page about the Great Blog War and the Alliance of Free Blogs, and the Axis of Naughty. Later (like 2 weeks) have someone post about the blog war and how IMAO started it. All very easy. Just got to think Fourth Dimensionally. "Yeah yeah I have a real problem with that." #46 - Posted by: Joel B. on November 23, 2004 11:58 PMWikipedia is mistaken in not adding "puppy blender" to Instapundit's page. Try Googling it. #48 - Posted by: Harvey on November 24, 2004 10:04 AMIt seems that they're main argument is VANITY. Well then, if the seven deadly sins are the basis for judgement shouldn't Farenheit 9/11 be removed for Gluttony, Vanity, Envy, Anger, and Sadness. That only leaves out lust and avarice. I don't really know what avarice means so that fat moron might even fall into that catagory but I know there is no lust in that man except for maybe a whopper or two...thousand. Anyway, you should be listed but shouldn't want to be because who the hell cares about a What I don't understand is: what is the harm in including an entry even if it has little use? It's supposed to be a source of knowledge, ain't it? Is there such a thing as "bad" knowledge? I can understand wanting entries to be correct. I can understand desiring that entries be based on factual, rather than subjective information. But since when is a fact not worthy? You can go to a comprehensive reference source, such as for example the unabridged Oxford English Dictionary. In it, you can find definitions for words not uttered by any living human and only appearing in print in texts that are read by a tiny fraction of scholars. Do we delete them? Are we only including them for the sake of the vanity of a few dozen pointy headed intellectuals? NO! We keep them for reference. That is why it is called a REFERENCE book. It's not like they care about saving space--the book is thousands upon thousands of pages and takes up multiple volumes. And people buy it and use it because it is that big. So what are the Wikis trying to prove? Do they need more hard drive space? Dudes, spend $100, get another lord-knows-how-many GB, and have enough data space for every entry imaginable. So what is it? It can't be the relevance argument, because if a single internet user wants to find the information, it is relevant to wikipedias stated goal of being a comprehensive living encyclopedia of all knowledge. So I guess it is vanity--THEIR vanity. You, me, the other readers, and our host Frank J are not "real" members of the intellectual society. We ain't good 'nuf fer them. Fuck 'em. Every reader should go start adding their own entries about themselves, their dogs, their favorite ice cream, etc. Turn wikipedia into the worlds largest free flowing blog wherein everyone with internet connection can tell the world everything. #50 - Posted by: Gullyborg on November 24, 2004 01:45 PMIt's baaaaaaaack. See item 7 in the Who really gives a damn what Wikipedia lists anyway? Looked like most of the responses were posted by the usual gang of self-important asshats. Screw 'em! #52 - Posted by: MAJ Mike on November 25, 2004 08:51 PMAll your note-worthiness are belong to us! #54 - Posted by: Keith on November 27, 2004 02:20 AMNotable? You should settle for Mostly harmless, as Douglas Adams described the Earth. #55 - Posted by: me on November 29, 2004 02:21 PMIk ga totaal akkoord. Ware Thats, mijn oom altijd vertelde me dat. Ik houd van uw adviezen en ik zal vaker uw plaats voortaan bezoeken. Dank voor grote inhoud, houdt het goede werk. Ongelooflijk er zijn geen dergelijke goede plaatsen zoals van u. Als mijn bovengenoemde grootvader: het goede werk zal altijd appriciated zijn. #56 - Posted by: Grizzlie on December 1, 2004 05:06 AMIk ga totaal akkoord. Ware Thats, mijn oom altijd vertelde me dat. Ik houd van uw adviezen en ik zal vaker uw plaats voortaan bezoeken. Dank voor grote inhoud, houdt het goede werk. Ongelooflijk er zijn geen dergelijke goede plaatsen zoals van u. 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