First...

I have already emailed my elected reps.

This guy is a moron.

No need for me to -- my Senator already made a statement about it.

Washington Post Article

Done. Just the opposite what you wanted. Great idea. BTW he did not call the soldiers Nazi's. Of course Rush won't tell you that.

Ha! Ohio's senators are Voinovich and DeWine, both lost causes. I'll write them closer to the next time they're up for election.

Human,
His idiotic remarks are out there for everyone to read (and I link to them). If you don't understand the problem, there is little help for you.

I think my Senators are more grounded, though.

The more I read about DICK's statement, the more pissed-off I become.

Here's an idea, let's close Gitmo and send the prisoners to Neverland Ranch.

Here is something fun - LARRY KING - A SERIAL HUSBAND, MONOGAMOUS POLYGAMIST AND THE JOYS OF MULTIPLE FATHERHOOD

This is fun. A must read. Filled with facts and has Larry's MUGSHOT - honest to goodness (Click on the word arrest)

http://satire.myblogsite.com/blog

Being from IL I wish i could do something... But who would i call? Obama or Durbin? they are both communists and basically is the entire state which is run by the people of Chicago. so i can't wait till this fall when college starts, except i'm going to school in MN which isn't exactly any better... but at least the Dick isn't there...

I say at least try and call your Senators (except Durbin) no matter who they are. Just be polite, say how angry Durbin's comments made you, and that such rhetoric should be denounced.

I would write my senator, but my senator is Dick Durbin. Argh

I still find it amusing that loud rap music is considered inhuman torture...

Pluto's Dad,
At least try writing or calling Obama.

Michelle Malkin reports:
John Kerry 202-224-2742...."Sen. Kerry doesn't have a position on Sen. Durbin's comments." Why doesn't this surprise me?
She's wrong. Senator Kerry has actually two positions on Senator Durbin's comments.

I emailed my senator (DeWine) to make sure he fights to keep Gitmo open!

I suggest we also write our Representatives over in the House. I think it would be funny for the House to lecture the Senate on what is appropriate behavior for a Senator. And yeah, I'll write Obama too.

Boycott Illinois

"BTW he did not call the soldiers Nazi's."
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No, he just compared their actions to that of the nazis.
So go ahead and split hairs, just like the nazis did.

Actually, he said that when he heard about the human rights abuses in Gitmo, he thought at first he'd heard about torture methods employed by the Nazis.

Come the fuck on, people. We're above this. We should not be setting ourselves up as an example of the greatest country on earth and then using third-world dictatorship tactics to get a little information out of some terrorists. We sure as fuck aren't helping ourselves look less like infidel pig-dogs to the Islamic extremists, which probably will open us up to more attack.

Yo, Oasis, as long as Islamic extremists exist we'll be open to more attacks.

The extermination of all Islamic extremists is the only thing that will stop them from; 1) thinking we're infidel pig-dogs and 2) attacking us again.

Oasis,
So you're saying that Durbin is just a complete moron, because he heard about the AC being turned up and rap music and thought those were Nazi techniques until he read otherwise?

Yeah, Oasis, I see your point.

If we wanted to "look less like infidel pig-dogs to the Islamic extremists" we would be sawing the heads off innocent aid-workers as they plead for mercy and then broadcasting the video around the world to demonstrate our "religion of peace".

But it's okay 'cause the Nazi's never did that.

Rap music, no naps and too much air-conditioning? Those prisoners are probably just begging to have their heads sawed off to escape the horror of it all.

Hey, Oasis .... ever try to make a point without using profanity? While it did get my attention ... it just made me think you were another juvenile spouting off some hate-filled lefty professors jaundiced opinions.

FarnkJ - it looks like the wrong Repub made it through the primaries ... don't think Harris would've been out there suggesting Gitmo should be closed.

What the Troops are fighting for:
Reuters | June 17 2005
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A Halliburton Co. unit will build a new $30 million detention facility and security fence at the U.S. naval base at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, where the United States is holding about 520 foreign terrorism suspects, the Defense Department announced on Thursday.
The announcement comes the same week that Vice President Dick Cheney and Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld defended the jail after U.S. lawmakers said it had created an image problem for the United States.
Critics have decried the indefinite detention of Guantanamo detainees, whom the United States has denied rights accorded under the Geneva Conventions to prisoners of war. The prison was called "the gulag of our times" in a recent Amnesty International report.
An air-conditioned two-story prison, known as Detention Camp #6, will be built at Guantanamo to house 220 men. It will include exercise areas, medical and dental spaces as well as a security control room, the contract announcement said.
The contract announcement did not specify whether the new prison would also hold foreign terror suspects.
Under the deal with the Norfolk, Virginia-based U.S. Naval Facilities Engineering Command, Atlantic, the work is to be wrapped up by July 2006. It is part of a larger contract that could be worth up to $500 million if all options are exercised, the Defense Department said.
The project is to be carried out by Halliburton subsidiary Kellogg Brown & Root Services of Arlington, Virginia. It includes site work, heating ventilation and air conditioning, plumbing and electrical work, the Pentagon said.
The first prisoners arrived at the prison camp in January 2002 after the Sept. 11, 2001, hijacked airliner attacks on New York and the Pentagon.
The Pentagon has said about 520 detainees from more than 40 countries are being held at the prison, without giving a precise figure.
Rumsfeld said on Tuesday U.S. taxpayers had spend more than $100 million on construction costs and no other facility could replace it.

Human,
Oh no! The building will have AC! It could be used for torture!

HELP! HELP! I'M BEING TORTURED!

Cars that go past my house play rap music! loudly! Sometimes loud enough to make my windows shake!

IT GETS REALLY HOT HERE IN FLORIDA! HELP!

Sometimes I visit Illinois for Christmas, and then it's really cold! I SHIVER!! HELP ME HELP ME!!

Please . . for pity's sake . . can no one call Dick Durbin and Amnesty International on my behalf?! Have mercy . .

O and Human? You're not.

Call my senators!? Comrade Feingold and Comrade Kohl were too busy licking Durbin's boots to be reached.

Io--yes, let's just eliminate our enemy. That will surely make us BETTER than them. Just eliminate every last one of them. What a fantastic idea. That's not stupid or poorly thought or anything.

FrankJ--he heard about a LOT more than just the temperature torture. Remember, you got the Cliff's Notes version of the information he got. There have been severe human rights abuses at Gitmo. And I'm sorry, but spending the night at 100 degrees without water is not just a little inconvenience. Try it sometime.

Lily--I thought we were trying to establish ourselves as being more civilized. We could surely employ their methods, but what would be the difference between an American soldier and a terrorist? Oh, and please don't get started on Islam. Christians have done plenty of killing in God's name when I'm pretty sure He didn't want it, not to mention justifying misogyny and slavery and imperialism with the Bible. And Christianity is ALSO a religion of peace, yet we waged war with Iraq. Interesting.

peter--I post like I talk. I'm sorry that my choice of words offends your puritan sensibility, but they're perfectly fine words that have a nice effect that I'm trying to achieve. Harping on my language only illustrates a lack of any argument on your side. Also, I'm a language major; none of my professors even got a chance to form my opinion unless you want to hear me go on about dangling participles. I could talk all night.

Oasis, I have zero interest in being better than people who want to kill me, my family and my friends. ZERO.

And, yes, eliminating every last one of the people who want to kill me, preferably before they're successful, is an EXCELLENT idea.

A "stupid or poorly thought" approach to the problem is any approach that leads to them surviving and me not.

Dumbshit.

Actually, a poorly thought approach would be training them and then having them turn around to bite our asses after they beat the Soviets. Oh, right, that was us.

Killing all of them sounds a lot like a genocide if you ask me. And how can you even be sure there's a "them"? What if some change their minds? And you have failed to get the point--extreme poverty plus our actions in the Middle East have led to much of this. We help them financially, we stop killing their people, they're more willing to leave us alone too. Killing more of them won't do anything, except create more of them.

And who's using poor language now?! Jeez, people.

(SIGH!) What is WRONG with some people?! The fact of the matter is, these are terrorists who want us DEAD. They're lucky we don't throw them into a bog whilst in cement shoes.
Oasis, why don't you just go fight our troops on the Afghan battle-field like John Walker Lindh?
DICK.

Oasis, I have not failed to get the point, I merely reject your moonbat assertion that "extreme poverty plus our actions in the Middle East have led to much of this".

They want us dead because they consider us "infidel pig-dogs" ... full stop. Nothing we do/did for or to them will ever change that. Period.

Crushing them utterly, however, is guaranteed to stop them. History is on my side in this.

You're welcome to roll over and die for the sake of your airy fairy beliefs but don't expect anyone with more than a couple of functioning neurons to sign up for your suicide party.

Oasis-
"There have been severe human rights abuses at Gitmo."

C'mon, don't be News"weak". Shouldn't you list the severe human rights abuses along with a source? Reliable source? Anyone?

Other than being chained (which is likely a pretty common terrorist/criminal condition), the experiences of alternating temps that make one sweat and/or cause one to shiver on top of being forced to listen to really loud rap music are similar to my summer time experiences as an army brat living on base. Shivering while running fans all night in order to help keep the house cool (I'm being generous here) all day until maint. finally shows up to at least temporarily fix the AC was inconvenient and even uncomfortable but torturous? Please.

The AC is on the blink right now. OMG somebody alert Dick, I'm sweating a little and I'm sure I'll be shivering tonight.

My neighbor listens to rap and hip-hop (Slim Shady omg-omg!) all day long while I'm forced to sit by open windows that blow hot breezes.

Oh the horror. Maybe we should just close down the sun and outlaw sound.

Gitmo=sleep deprivation; Nazis=murder of thousands of jews. Gitmo=rap music; Nazis=medical "experiments." Gitmo=Koran "abuse"; Nazis=flea infestations in barracks. Gitmo=temperature variations; Nazis=naked prisoners in subzero temps.

I'm sure I could do many more, but that's enough for now.

Oh yeah, we are SOOOOOO evil. Those of you who agree with Durbin are idiots. Pure and simple.

P.S. Sorry about the format. I wanted to do columns, but couldn't get it to work.

Hmmm... Sitting in poo and too much or too little AC. That's pretty bad, eh? If I recall some of our POWs had to eat out of bowls the used to shovel their poo out of their cells. Maybe, someone forgot to make the right comparisons.

For more comparisons, read this;
http://www.nationalreview.com/hanson/hanson200506170746.asp

"Killing more of them won't do anything, except create more of them."-oasis

All I want is for the terrorists to think the same thing about the US Marines

Oasis, you are too stupid to live. And someone as a prank slapped a sign on your back that says "follow me."

Io--hey, where did Middle Eastern fundamentalism come from then? You seem to have all the answers. And history's not on your side, not unless you rewrote it to support your belief that annihilating an enemy breeds peace.

Damian--I fail to see why my opposition to our methods implies that I should fight for Aghanis? Are you even remotely on the same page as the rest of us?

Uber--Time magazine had a great piece this week on the interrogation of a prisoner at Gitmo. I'm sure you're capable of picking up a magazine, yes? And you can set up all the strawmen you want to knock down, but you avoid my argument.

Clews--you could reduce any argument and mock it. Oh no, they had to eat out of dirty bowls! Wahhh, cry me a river. Seriously, why don't you show some fucking compassion for the exploitation of another human being, regardless of what his politics or worldview is?

McWert--funny, I think the same about you. Why don't you join the army and take care of that for me, hmmm?

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Uber--Time magazine had a great piece this week on the interrogation of a prisoner at Gitmo

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...and TIME isn't liberally skewed at all...yeah right. Guess what, Kerry still lost, George is still in charge and 58 million people think you, Oasis, suck

Plus we don't trust the media anymore so the Gitmo whiny Amnesty supporters can rail their skewed view all they want, WE KNOW BETTER.

TEEEEEJ

Human is fond of taunting everyone with the "Rush didn't tell you..." schtic, but, he neglects to tell you that he relies upon what the ghost of Abby Hoffman tells him, as well as what the liberal talking heads of today say for guidance on what his viewpoints are. Yeah, Human is one original thinker.

Oasis appears to be the "I have the corner of the market on intellectual/logical argument skills" (i.e. "And you can set up all the strawmen you want to knock down, but you avoid my argument."). By the way, Oasis, you said:

"Seriously, why don't you show some fucking compassion for the exploitation of another human being, regardless of what his politics or worldview is?"

What in the world are you trying to say here? Are saying that if "his" worldview is to slowly saw yours, as well as your loved ones heads off slowly, while shouting out praises to Allah, his feelings are still important...then you are nuts. So much, for logical, well reasoned arguement. No?

Great idea, except..... I'm from Washington State. So I don't think I'm going to spend any time telling Patty "Osama the Day-Care Provider" Murray to disown Durbin. :-(

Oasis-

“We help them financially, we stop killing their people, they're more willing to leave us alone too.”

It’s pathetic that you actually believe that if we leave them alone they’ll leave us alone, plus of course we have to give them money. Why is that always the solutions: Leave them alone and give them money. Screw that. I don’t deal with extortion.

I also love the “Actually, a poorly thought approach would be training them and then having them turn around to bite our asses after they beat the Soviets. Oh, right, that was us.”

So Oasis do you believe we should have gotten into our time machines discovered that they were going to bite us in the ass and came back and done what? Fight the Russians ourselves, imported another army or just let them screw over Afghanistan? What Oasis? Please enlighten me as to the correct path, especially since you have 2005 knowledge. Of course your course of action couldn’t possibly have any unforeseeable negative consequences because Oasis has a plan. A double secret plan that is foolproof. The first one in all of history.

“Killing all of them sounds a lot like a genocide if you ask me. And how can you even be sure there's a "them"? What if some change their minds”

Was our war against the Nazis and Imperial Japan a war of genocide? Our plan was to kill them and keep killing them until they all died or surrendered. (It took two A-bombs to get Japan to surrender if you want any idea the kind of fanaticism we are dealing with in the ME.) If the Islamic fascists surrender than they will stop dying.

Also, if you don’t know if anyone has changed their minds than how can that be part of the equation? What can you do with information you cannot discover? It makes no sense. I want old fashion war, the kind that works: Kill the enemy, destroy his logistical support and than occupy them in order to change the culture that created it. That works very well.

Please tell me, when has a nation won a war by showing its humane side? When has an enemy said, “wow, look how noble America is, maybe I should drop my obviously evil ways and follow their shining example”? Can you please tell me when that happened? Our soldiers have never been treated better because of who we are, never. Why? Because we go to war with assholes.

The Middle East is in poverty because of its leaders and totally screwed up culture. And for you touchy feely types, culture is more than music, art, food and tourist sites, or basically the things you can buy. Culture is primarily a tool for survival. It is the laws, religion, political and economic structures of a society and all of those need a serious overhaul in that region. We are there to allow Iraq to do just that. That will help them financially. It will take more time than a financial handout, which will do nothing besides make people feel good about themselves, but it is the only long-term permanent solution. The Islamic fascist are doing everything they can to stop it. They don’t believe in Democracy or freedom because it’s against their interpretation of their religion. That will never change so a peaceful solution cannot be obtained. Therefore they must be exterminated like the bastards they are. This war allows the moderates to change their society while allowing the fundamentalists to hold up their hand so we can kill them.

They want to continue being slave masters Oasis. If we leave them alone and give them money all we will be doing is funding slavery. That was our past policy because we had bigger fish to fry, actually a big bear but that policy has now changed and I am very happy about it.

Trying to win a war by being a bunch of pansy wussies isn’t the standard we have deviated from, it is the new kind of warfare liberal jerk offs demand in order to hinder our abilities. I’ve talked to my grandfather many times about WWII and he almost always mentions how much nonsense it is to believe we always acted like kind humane soldiers. He could tell many stories that have much darker situations than Gitmo or Ghriab. (Many of his mission stories ended with “and than the plane started to go down so we had to jump” but that’s another topic.) Here’s what’s happening:

1. Defeat Hitler. Damn that just made the Soviets stronger.
2. Fight Soviets. Damn that Islamified the Middle East
3. Fight the Islamic fascists.

This may seem like our putting out fires only lead to other fires but as long as we don’t have to go back to earlier one’s than it will be okay. The earth is finite and eventually we will all be cool but we aren’t there yet and it won’t happen peacefully. Slave master are evil people and therefore don’t give up their slaves without a fight.

As for Durbin picking up where Amnesty International left off, Abu Ghraib deserved the attention and condemnation it got but until I see hard evidence that the same thing is happening at Gitmo I’m not supporting the “Gulag of our time” nonsense. Prove to me that the techniques happening there is Nazi like than I’ll show some compassion, but until than I won’t shed one tear. Innocent until proven guilty Oasis. Those are Americans running that prison and I will ALWAYS give them the benefit of the doubt over terrorists. ALWAYS.

Oh yeah, I added the, "plane going down and than we had to jump" not as an example of a horrible act done by them but for those that enjoy history and wanted a small personal example of someone's war experience. I'll leave the horror stories out of the comment section

ClayK--are you trying to say that I have no argumentative powers because I believe in compassion for people WHO DID NOT SAW OFF ANYONE'S HEAD, BUT WHO ARE OF THE SAME RACE AND RELIGION OF PEOPLE WHO DID? I'd hate to think you'd be that stupid.

Paul Young--as for Afghanistan, well, we've trained local insurgents before and it's always turned out to bite us in the ass. Why was this any different? Of course I don't have an alternative plan; I'm not a military strategist and to do so would be arrogant and stupid. However, I can point out that the training of Afghani rebels wasn't smart, had been done before, and wasn't smart THEN either. And then we allow superfundie Muslims to take over and run the country for twenty years, finally working up the OUTRAGE over the abuse of women's rights to take them out. Somehow I doubt that's really the case, but that's the line we're given.

If you want old-fashioned war, forget it. You are living in the 21st century, and wars are carried out in a whole new fashion. And you know what? The humanity we show in battle DOES help our cause. The more we treat the enemy like human beings, the more compassion we show to civilians, well, that doesn't exactly go unnoticed. Aside from being internationally respectable, the enemy often establishes that the opposition isn't like the propaganda they heard in their country.

I'm a sociologist; I know what the hell culture means, thanks. Don't get patronizing.

As for your assertion that the Middle East is screwed up due to its leaders, who the hell do you think installed half those people? We supported regime changes in several Middle Eastern countries, not to mention supporting the tyranny in Saudia Arabia, and especially not to mention our early support of Saddam Hussein. You can see video of him shaking hands with Rumsfeld.

As for your last point, you would rather believe Americans over terrorists. That's fine, but the people at Gitmo were never formally charged with anything. Oh, and Americans are capable of lying too.

Uber--Time magazine had a great piece this week on the interrogation of a prisoner at Gitmo. I'm sure you're capable of picking up a magazine, yes? And you can set up all the strawmen you want to knock down, but you avoid my argument.

Oasis- Give me what I asked for. What did the ultra-liberal Times say the severe abuses at Gitmo were EXACTLY? Who were their sources? Back up your claims or shuteth the fucketh up. Otherwise you are no better than Durbin, perhaps even worse because you've nothing to lose by telling the truth in this anonymous forum here.
You ARE here on a humor forum to steal the haha and to "educate" us all aren't you? Here's your chance.

List the severe human rights abuses committed by US military at Gitmo and the source of your information. Quoting a liberal news rag (who calls NASCAR fans Huns and calls it news)will require you list THREIR sources as well because we've all been burned there before.

Oh no! Not a LIBERAL news magazine! Surely their politics blind them so much to the truth that they will simply report everything the Pentagon tells them to. For the love of Christ, Uber, are you really that stupid? Do you really think that CNN and Time Magazine's unquestioning coverage of the war in Iraq is that liberal?

This piece is called "Inside the Interrogation of Detainee 063" and it is typical of an interrogation at Gitmo. It's long, so you might have to actually read. And think.

Sunday, Jun. 12, 2005
Inside the Interrogation of Detainee 063
EXCLUSIVE: TO GET THE "20TH HIJACKER" TO TALK, THE U.S. USED A WIDE RANGE OF TACTICS. A SECRET LOG REVEALS THE FIRST DOCUMENTED VIEW OF HOW GITMO REALLY WORKS
By ADAM ZAGORIN, MICHAEL DUFFY

The prisoner known around the U.S. naval station at Guantánamo Bay as Detainee 063 was a hard man to break. Defiant from the start, he told his captors that he had been in Afghanistan to pursue his love of falconry. But the young Saudi prisoner who wouldn't talk was not just any detainee. He was Mohammed al-Qahtani, a follower of Osama bin Laden's and the man believed by many to be the so-called 20th hijacker. He had tried to enter the U.S. in August 2001, allegedly to take part in the Sept. 11 attacks. But while Mohammed Atta, the eventual leader of the hijackers, was waiting outside in the Orlando, Fla., airport parking lot, al-Qahtani was detained inside--and then deported--by an alert immigration officer who didn't buy his story.

More than a year later, after al-Qahtani had been captured in Afghanistan and transferred to Gitmo's Camp X-Ray, his interrogation was going nowhere. So in late November 2002, according to an 84-page secret interrogation log obtained by TIME, al-Qahtani's questioners switched gears. They suggested to their captive that he had been spared by Allah in order to reveal the true meaning of the Koran and help bring down bin Laden.

During a routine check of his medical condition, a sergeant approached al-Qahtani and whispered in his ear, "What is God telling you right now? Your 19 friends died in a fireball and you weren't with them. Was that God's choice? Is it God's will that you stay alive to tell us about his message?" At that point, the log states, al-Qahtani threw his head back and butted the sergeant in the eye. Two MPs wrestled al-Qahtani to the ground. The sergeant crouched down next to the thrashing terrorist, who tried to spit on him. The sergeant's response: "Go ahead and spit on me. It won't change anything. You're still here. I'm still talking to you and you won't leave until you've given God's message."

The interrogation log of Detainee 063 provides the first internal look at the highly classified realm of Gitmo interrogations since the detention camp opened four years ago. Chief Pentagon spokesman Larry DiRita tells TIME that the log was compiled by various uniformed interrogators and observers on the Pentagon's Joint Task Force at Gitmo as the interrogation proceeded. It is stamped SECRET ORCON, a military acronym for a document that is supposed to remain with the organization that created it. A Pentagon official who has seen the log describes it as the "kind of document that was never meant to leave Gitmo."

The log reads like a night watchman's diary. It is a sometimes shocking and often mundane hour-by-hour, even minute-by-minute account of a campaign to extract information. The log records every time al-Qahtani eats, sleeps, exercises or goes to the bathroom and every time he complies with or refuses his interrogators' requests. The detainee's physical condition is frequently checked by medical corpsmen--sometimes as often as three times a day-- which indicates either spectacular concern about al-Qahtani's health or persistent worry about just how much stress he can take. Although the log does not appear obviously censored, it is also plainly incomplete: there are numerous gaps in the notes about what is said and what is happening in the interrogation booth beyond details like "Detainee taken to bathroom and walked for 10 minutes."

Despite the information gaps, the log offers a rare glimpse into the darker reaches of intelligence gathering, in which teams that specialize in extracting information by almost any means match wits and wills with men who are trained to keep quiet at almost any cost. It spans 50 days in the winter of 2002-03, from November to early January, a critical period at Gitmo, during which 16 additional interrogation techniques were approved by Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld for use on a select few detainees, including al-Qahtani.

By itself, the log doesn't make clear how effective the interrogations were. The Pentagon contends that al-Qahtani has been a valuable source of information: providing details of meetings with bin Laden, naming people and financial contacts in several Arab countries, describing terrorist training camps where bin Laden lives and explaining how he may have escaped from Tora Bora in December 2001.

Pentagon officials tell TIME that most of the intelligence gleaned from those sessions was recorded in other documents. But the interrogation log gives a rare window into the techniques used by the U.S. military, suggesting at least in this case that disclosures were sometimes obtained not when al-Qahtani was under duress but when his handlers eased up on him.

The case of Detainee 063 is sure to add fire to the superheated debate about the use of American power in the age of terrorism. The U.S. has been criticized for mistreating Gitmo prisoners and denying their rights at a facility Amnesty International has controversially called the "gulag of our time." Along with lawmakers and human-rights groups, former President Jimmy Carter has called on Washington officials to shut the camp down. Even President George W. Bush told Fox News last week that his Administration was exploring alternatives to the detention center.

How should a democratic nation proceed when it captures a high-value prisoner like al-Qahtani, when unlocking a mind might save lives? Experts acknowledge that brute torture generally doesn't work because a person will say anything to stop the pain. So what, exactly, is effective? And when do the ends justify the means?

From the moment Mohammed al-Qahtani stepped off a Virgin Atlantic flight in Orlando back in August 2001, immigration officials noticed something troubling about him. He had arrived on a one-way ticket yet carried only $2,800 in cash, barely enough to buy his return. When an official pressed him for details about his destination, al-Qahtani was hostile and evasive. With an interpreter's help, the immigration agent questioned al-Qahtani for 90 min. and then sent him packing. Al-Qahtani's parting words: "I'll be back."

From London, al-Qahtani made his way to the United Arab Emirates and then to Afghanistan to fight against the U.S. He was captured fleeing Tora Bora in December 2001. When he was shipped to Guantánamo two months later, officials had not yet realized he was the presumed 20th hijacker. For weeks, he refused to give his name. But in July 2002, the feds matched his fingerprints to those of the man who had been deported from Orlando and marked him for intensive interrogation. Al-Qahtani, explains Pentagon spokesman DiRita, was "a particularly well-placed, well-connected terrorist who was believed capable of unlocking an enormous amount of specific and general insights into 9/11, al-Qaeda operations and ongoing planning for future attacks." But the initial questioning by the FBI went poorly. "We were getting nothing from him," a senior Pentagon official says. "He had been trained to resist direct questioning. And what works in a Chicago police precinct doesn't work in war."

That's where things stood in late November 2002, when the log obtained by TIME begins. At that point, tag teams of interrogators are putting al-Qahtani through a daily routine designed to drain the detainee of his autonomy. They wake him every morning at 4 and sometimes question him until midnight. Each day--and sometimes every hour--is shaped around standard Army interrogation techniques, with code names like Fear Up/Harsh, Pride/Ego Down, the Futility Approach and the Circumstantial Evidence Theme. Each day, the interrogators seem to be trying to find those that work best. They promise better treatment; they show him pictures of 9/11 victims, particularly children and the elderly. They talk about God's will and al-Qahtani's guilt. They tell him that he failed on his mission and hint that other comrades have been captured and are talking about his role in the plot. They play on his emotions, saying he should talk if he ever wants to see his family or friends or homeland again.

For days, al-Qahtani stonewalls his handlers and maintains that he went to the U.S. to get into the used-car business. "You are working with the devil," he tells his captors. The interrogators respond by forcing him to stand or sit immobile on a metal chair. He tries to deflect questions about where he went in Afghanistan with answers apparently drawn directly from an al-Qaeda handbook, given to terrorists, about how to resist interrogations. When al-Qahtani resorts to a handbook answer, his handlers reply that it amounts to another admission of guilt.

Yet in other ways, al-Qahtani emerges as an innocent abroad--uneducated, almost from another era. He asks whether the sun revolves around the earth. He wonders about dinosaurs and is told of their history and demise. He confides that he would like to marry someday--apparently not realizing how unlikely that goal now is.

The first break in al-Qahtani 's facade comes with a long-delayed call of nature. When a hunger strike he has launched fizzles, he starts refusing water. That becomes a battle of wills--and teeth. Al-Qahtani quickly becomes so dehydrated that medical corpsmen forcibly administer fluids by IV drip. He tries to fight them off with his hands and is restrained. Another time, al-Qahtani tries to rip the IV needle out; when he is cuffed to his chair, he turns his head and bites the IV line completely in two. He is then strapped down and given an undisclosed amount of fluids. An hour or so later, around 9:40 a.m., al-Qahtani tells his guards that he would be willing to talk if he is allowed to urinate. The log notes he is given 3 1/2 bags of IV fluid. He starts to moan and asks again to be allowed to relieve himself. Yes, but first he must answer questions:

Interrogator: Who do you work for?

Al-Qahtani: Al-Qaeda

Interrogator: Who was your leader?

Al-Qahtani: Osama bin Laden

Interrogator: Why did you go to Orlando?

Al-Qahtani: I wasn't told the mission

Interrogator: Who was with you on the plane?

Al-Qahtani: I was by myself

That answer frustrates the interrogator--You're wasting my time, he says--and when al-Qahtani requests his promised bathroom break, he is told to go in his pants. Humiliatingly, he does. The log notes 30 minutes later, "He is beginning to understand the futility of his situation ... He is much closer to compliance and cooperation than at the beginning of the operation."

But things appear to move slowly after that. It is not clear from the log's terse entries that increased pressure is leading to new disclosures. The interrogators keep juggling techniques--giving extra sleep some days, offering a home-cooked Arab meal on another (al-Qahtani refuses it). Later that day, when a video of the destruction of the Twin Towers is played, al-Qahtani becomes so violent, he has to be restrained. "We can't say, Because we did this, we got that," a senior Pentagon official says. "If we did know what worked, we'd know exactly which pressure points to apply and when." Even al-Qahtani seems to understand that: "If you interrogate me in the right way and the right position," he taunts his questioners, "you might find some answers."

A secondary battle appears to be under way over Ramadan. At various points during the Muslim holy month, al-Qahtani claims to be either on a hunger strike, refusing all food and water, or fasting during daylight hours, as Ramadan requires. According to the log, the interrogators tell al-Qahtani he cannot pray--a religious obligation--unless he disregards another by accepting water. So he declines to pray.

Al-Qahtani's resilience under pressure in the fall of 2002 led top officials at Gitmo to petition Washington for more muscular "counter resistance strategies." On Dec. 2, Rumsfeld approved 16 of 19 stronger coercive methods. Now the interrogators could use stress strategies like standing for prolonged periods, isolation for as long as 30 days, removal of clothing, forced shaving of facial hair, playing on "individual phobias" (such as dogs) and "mild, non-injurious physical contact such as grabbing, poking in the chest with the finger and light pushing." According to the log, al-Qahtani experienced several of those over the next five weeks. The techniques Rumsfeld balked at included "use of a wet towel or dripping water to induce the misperception of suffocation." "Our Armed Forces are trained," a Pentagon memo on the changes read, "to a standard of interrogation that reflects a tradition of restraint." Nevertheless, the log shows that interrogators poured bottles of water on al-Qahtani's head when he refused to drink. Interrogators called this game "Drink Water or Wear It."

After the new measures are approved, the mood in al-Qahtani's interrogation booth changes dramatically. The interrogation sessions lengthen. The quizzing now starts at midnight, and when Detainee 063 dozes off, interrogators rouse him by dripping water on his head or playing Christina Aguilera music. According to the log, his handlers at one point perform a puppet show "satirizing the detainee's involvement with al-Qaeda." He is taken to a new interrogation booth, which is decorated with pictures of 9/11 victims, American flags and red lights. He has to stand for the playing of the U.S. national anthem. His head and beard are shaved. He is returned to his original interrogation booth. A picture of a 9/11 victim is taped to his trousers. Al-Qahtani repeats that he will "not talk until he is interrogated the proper way." At 7 a.m. on Dec. 4, after a 12-hour, all-night session, he is put to bed for a four-hour nap.

Over the next few days, al-Qahtani is subjected to a drill known as Invasion of Space by a Female, and he becomes especially agitated by the close physical presence of a woman. Then, around 2 p.m. on Dec. 6, comes another small breakthrough. He asks his handlers for some paper. "I will tell the truth," he says. "I am doing this to get out of here." He finally explains how he got to Afghanistan in the first place and how he met with bin Laden. In return, the interrogators honor requests from him to have a blanket and to turn off the air conditioner. Soon enough, the pressure ratchets up again. Various strategies of intimidation are employed anew. The log reveals that a dog is present, but no details are given beyond a hazy reference to a disagreement between the military police and the dog handler. Agitated, al-Qahtani takes back the story he told the day before about meeting bin Laden.

But a much more serious problem develops on Dec. 7: a medical corpsman reports that al-Qahtani is becoming seriously dehydrated, the result of his refusal to take water regularly. He is given an IV drip, and a doctor is summoned. An unprecedented 24-hour time out is called, but even as al-Qahtani is put under a doctor's care, music is played to "prevent detainee from sleeping." Nine hours later, a medical corpsman checks al-Qahtani's pulse and finds it "unusually slow." An electrocardiogram is administered by a doctor, and after al-Qahtani is transferred to a hospital, a CT scan is performed. A second doctor is consulted. Al-Qahtani's heartbeat is regular but slow: 35 beats a minute. He is placed in isolation and hooked up to a heart monitor.

The next day, a radiologist is flown in from Roosevelt Roads Naval Air Station in Puerto Rico, 600 miles away, to read the CT scan. The log reports, "No anomalies were found." Nonetheless, al-Qahtani is given an ultrasound for blood clots. For the first time since the log began, al-Qahtani is given an entire day to sleep. The next evening, the log reports that his medical "checks are all good." Al-Qahtani is "hooded, shackled and restrained in a litter" and transported back to Camp X-Ray in an ambulance.

Over the next month, the interrogators experiment with other tactics. They strip-search him and briefly make him stand nude. They tell him to bark like a dog and growl at pictures of terrorists. They hang pictures of scantily clad women around his neck. A female interrogator so annoys al-Qahtani that he tells his captors he wants to commit suicide and asks for a crayon to write a will. At one stage, an Arabic-speaking serviceman, posing as a fellow detainee, is brought to Camp X-Ray for a short stay in an effort to gain al-Qahtani's confidence. The log reports that al-Qahtani makes several comments to interrogators that imply he has a big story to tell, but interrogators report that he seems either too scared or simply unwilling, to tell it. On Jan. 10, 2003, al-Qahtani says he knows nothing of terrorists but volunteers to return to the gulf states and act as a double agent for the U.S. in exchange for his freedom. Five days later, Rumsfeld's harsher measures are revoked after military lawyers in Washington raised questions about their use and efficacy.

It's unclear how al-Qhatani's interrogation proceeded from that point and whether it is still continuing. Senior Pentagon officials told TIME that some of his most valuable confessions came not during the period covered in the log or as a result of any particular technique but when al-Qahtani was presented with evidence coughed up by others in detention, especially Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, or KSM, the alleged mastermind of 9/11. The intelligence take was more cumulative than anything else, says a Pentagon official. Once al-Qahtani realized KSM was talking, the official speculates, al-Qahtani may have felt he had the green light to follow suit.

Al-Qahtani has never been charged with a crime, has no lawyer and remains in detention at Guantánamo. But his case is already the subject of several probes in Washington. A year ago, a senior FBI counterterrorism official wrote the Pentagon complaining of abuses that FBI agents said they witnessed at the naval base. The agents reported seeing or hearing of "highly aggressive interrogation techniques." The letter singles out the treatment of al-Qahtani in September and October of 2002--before the log obtained by TIME begins--saying a dog was used "in an aggressive manner to intimidate Detainee #63." The FBI letter said al-Qahtani had been "subjected to intense isolation for over three months" and "was evidencing behavior consistent with extreme psychological trauma (talking to non existent people, reporting hearing voices, crouching in a cell covered with a sheet for hours on end)." The Justice Department and the Pentagon have opened separate investigations into the charges. A Pentagon official tells TIME he expects that many of those charges will prove to be unfounded.

Interrogators eventually compelled al-Qahtani to focus on his fellow detainees at Guantanamo. In that process, he implicated more than 20 other Gitmo prisoners as members of al-Qaeda or associates of bin Laden's, according to the Los Angeles Times. A military board has since used al-Qahtani's identification as a factor in prolonging the detention of some of them. Whether he has won more favorable treatment in return for his cooperation is unknown. But at least one of those he named, a Yemeni, is now claiming in a U.S. federal court that al-Qahtani's statements about him are unreliable because they "appear to have been obtained by the use of torture."

President Bush has said the U.S. would apply principals consistent with the Geneva Conventions to "unlawful combatants," subject to military necessity, at Guantánamo and elsewhere. The Pentagon argues that al-Qahtani's treatment was always "humane." But the Geneva Conventions forbid any "outrage on personal dignity." Eric Freedman, a constitutional-law expert and consultant in some of the growing number of federal lawsuits challenging U.S. treatment of these detainees, says, "If the techniques described in this interrogation log are not outrages to personal dignity, then words have no meaning." Then again, in the war on terrorism, the personal dignity of a fanatic trained for mass murder may be an inevitable casualty.

quote/I'm a sociologist; /end quote

Well this explains a hell of a lot. I bet you went to Berkeley.

TEEEEJ

Yeah, funny how studying society gives you the wherewithal to actually understand how it works. It isn't a coincidence that sociologists are liberals; after all, they're the only ones who understand society realistically.

quote/ They talk about God's will and al-Qahtani's guilt. They tell him that he failed on his mission and hint that other comrades have been captured and are talking about his role in the plot. They play on his emotions, saying he should talk if he ever wants to see his family or friends or homeland again./end quote

So you're saying that our guard "talking" to this guy with a Terminator complex, who was caught shooting at our guys in Afgahnistan, you're saying this is torture? Abuse? Okay, I'll give you the Christina Aguilera music, yeah that WOULD be torture (especially that "I am Beautiful" song I hate that)but making a guy pee his pants and engaging his homoerotic tendancies by making him uncomfortable around women (cause you know he was probably molested as a kid) I don't say the "talking to" they gave him is torture...sounds more like therapy to me.

By the way Time is still liberally skewed and 58 million people know it and laugh derisively at your petty insignificant rhetoric.
HA HA!!

TEEEEEEJ

quote/Yeah, funny how studying society gives you the wherewithal to actually understand how it works. /end quote

If this were true then we could send all these terrorist to sociology classes in college to learn how to not to be assholes...oh wait, you went and you're still an asshole. Sorry my bad.

TEEEEEEJ/ with 58 million people next to her pointing and laughing at you.

Oasis,

You said:

"ClayK--are you trying to say that I have no argumentative powers because I believe in compassion for people WHO DID NOT SAW OFF ANYONE'S HEAD, BUT WHO ARE OF THE SAME RACE AND RELIGION OF PEOPLE WHO DID? I'd hate to think you'd be that stupid."

First off, "argumentative powers"? What are you a new addition to the Super Friends? Justice League?

Secondly, You don't think that the prisoners have just been rounded up based on a racial profile do you? I would hope you're not that stupid.

Oasis,

You said:

"And then we allow superfundie Muslims to take over and run the country for twenty years, finally working up the OUTRAGE over the abuse of women's rights to take them out. Somehow I doubt that's really the case, but that's the line we're given."

Ok. Either you're being incredibly disengenous, or you are seriously challenged in your knowledge of why we went into Afganistan in the first place.
Let me tell you that it wasn't just to provide woman's liberation. In fact, that had nothing to do with it. The Taliban regime were told to step out of the way and hand over Osama and the Al Quaeda they were harboring. That was "the line that was handed out". They refused, and the rest is history. Remember now?

“Of course I don't have an alternative plan”

Of course you don’t, because there is no such thing as a war plan that is perfect and neat and sugar sweet. We succeeded in our objective in driving out the Soviets and it had misfortunate consequences. So did siding with The Soviets in WWII. That’s life Oasis, get a clue. I also agree that it was disgusting that we left and let the Taliban take over. And no, I don’t believe “the line we were given” about why we invaded though it is a great side effect but people like you use that as an idiotic argument to believe you know more than us. Unfortunately, I was not powerful enough to get my government to change it’s course of action in Afghanistan after the Soviets left but I’m also not going to bitch and whine when it does the right thing.
I care about action and results. If Bush went into Afghanistan so he could impress a hot young intern I wouldn’t care. It was the action that needed to be taken and I’m glad it was done. Whining about “the line we were given” or other such nonsense is irrelevant to me.

“If you want old-fashioned war, forget it. You are living in the 21st century, and wars are carried out in a whole new fashion”

Really, and how many have been won this way? Spoken like a true liberal policy idiot. You declare something is the “new way” because it is “touchy feely”, PC and of course, in “fashion”, but provide no evidence that it will work. Could you please test this on some monkeys before we apply this “new warfare” Unfortunately war is very deadly and changing tactics because it feels good can get people killed.

Besides, tell that to the terrorists. They are fighting from the Middle Ages and have more of an advantage than they should have because people like Durbin compare the AC being turned up too high to techniques used by the Nazis, Pol Pot and the Gulag, which falsely perpetuate the negative image of America, which of course, he says we need to avoid. Also, what does living in the 21st century mean anyway? Is culture on some kind of clock where the progress of time actually changes us? “Living in the 21st century” is nothing more than bumper sticker drivel.

“And you know what? The humanity we show in battle DOES help our cause”

You than provide no proof whatsoever other than because you believe it. Besides, when did I say we should harm civilians? This is about “prison abuse” remember? And what does international respect have to do with anything? What exactly in concrete terms does their “respect” accomplish? Does it send out good vibrations around the world? Russia, China, Germany and France have only one concern with the ME” and that’s to make money. They don’t care about the people. As I said before, though I wouldn’t care if it were all about the money if it helped the people but it doesn’t so their respect is worthless to me.

“the enemy often establishes that the opposition isn't like the propaganda they heard in their country.”

What are you talking about? You don’t think the thousands of soldiers in Iraq aren’t making that happen right now? That the Iraqis are so stupid that they would believe news about a prison far away but disbelieve what is happening with there own eyes? You are talking nonsense.

“As for your assertion that the Middle East is screwed up due to its leaders, who the hell do you think installed half those people”

Could you name the leaders we INSTALLED please? Half right? Most importantly, when?

Yes, we supported Hussein and we also supported Stalin in WWII. What’s your point? Would you say that we installed him? It is so pathetic that you bring Rummy shaking Hussein’s hand. That was like twenty years ago. You are aware that the relationship changed right? That countries ally with dictators to go after bigger enemies? I did mention that in my comment but it appears you conveniently ignored that section. Besides, Hussein has been an enemy of the US for fifteen years. Have you heard the news? It’s not like we just suddenly changed the relationship.

Yes I am aware Americans are capable of lying too. I said I would believe them until proven other wise. The prisoners weren’t brought up on charges? Neither were any of the POWS in any war. This is not a criminal situation. Or is that the new “fashion” as well? They chose to fight us without uniforms. That’s there stupid decision.

“I'm a sociologist; I know what the hell culture means, thanks. Don't get patronizing.”

After reading the article you posted I would say, “no you don’t”. You have absolutely no idea what Hell culture is. If you think anything in that article is torture or in any way comparable to Nazi techniques than you are a complete moron. It was torture reading that thing waiting for it to actualluy describe torture.

The only reason he was in real physical distress was because he refused to drink water. How is his refusal to drink water “Nazi” like? We even gave him an IV! Was all the starvation in the Gulag and the concentration camps actually self-inflicted? Did the Jews jump into the ovens themselves? Is that the new version that will be created to accommodate this nonsense and therefore make it "Nazi" like?

Plus, this guy was big, he was someone they wanted info from very badly. This would be the worst they would do to a prisoner. You, Durbin and all of your kind are full of nonsense. You actually believe that article proved something? I cannot believe someone could be that stupid. Please give it up. You’re fooling us right?

Paul,

Good job putting Oasis in his place. If you think his mentioning the Rumsfield - Sadaam handshake over 20 years ago is ridiculous, try his "don't talk about Islam when Christianity has committed it's atrocities in the name of God" claptrap. How many hundreds of years ago was the Spanish Inquisition?

I have composed the list of supposed "sever human rights abuses" by services members according to Oasis who uses a Times article as proof.

1-whispering in ear of terrorist while med care is given.
(give me a break)
2-wrestling terrorist to ground for physically attacking and attempting to spit on military personnel who whisper in ears.
(treatment that any petty criminal would receive)
3-forced terrorist to stand for undisclosed amount of time
(a technique popularly used for children when they get into trouble)
4-forced terrorist to sit still for undisclosed for amount of time
(a technique used on billions of children in public and privite education only chairs are wodden or plastic)
5-forced fluids by IV drip when terrorist refuses liquids and beomes dehydrated
(technique used on military personnel who have become dehydrated on purpose or not)
6-hand cuffed terrorist to chair when he tried to rip IV out
(a technique I don't doubt would be used on any severely dehydrated service member trying to rip out a life saving IV)
7-bathroom visit prohibited until terrorist answers questions
(another technique used on billions of children in public and private schools all over the world only the teacher doesn't need a reason to say no and the child COULD go ahead with lesss risk than the terrorist I suppose, but again, school children aren't dangerous terrorists.)
8-confuses terrorists by letting them sleep in.
(?)
9-confuses terrorists by giving them home-cooked Arab meal
(?)
10-try to use terrorist being allowed to pray to get him to DRINK WATER AND NOT DIE.
(the horror)
11-poured water over terrorists head when he STILL refused to drink water and NOT DIE.
(this bores me now but on I will go)
12-woke terrorist by dripping water on his head and playing Christina Aguilera music.
(I've thrown ice water on someone I love to wake them in the past, the lame assed music was their own though)
13-forced terrorist to watch a terrorist puppet show
(LMAO)
14-shown photos of victims of terrorist, American flags and red lights.
(Hell yeah, wish we could force this on them ALL and a few wishy-washy liberals too!)
15-Made terrorist stand for National Anthem
(Military personnel must also stand for National Anthem, I'm sure he remains as unscathed as liberals at sports events who cave to peer pressure and stand up)
16-taped photo of 9-11 victim to terrorists pants.
(?)
17-close physical presence of a female service member to terrorist.
(no gender discrimination here to save you buddy, get over it and be happy she could stand your stench and be close)
18-rewarded terrorist with a blanket and turning down the AC for information
(when I want a man to turn down the AC and let me put an extra blanket on the bed I have to flirt, sneak, or both)
19-ANOTHER forced IV when MORE med care is given and doc says terrorist is dehydrated FROM REFUSING WATER.
20-Music played to keep terrorist awake.
(again, the neighbor's son often abuses me at night with Slim Shady, so what)
21-after EVEN MORE medical care, terrorist is placed in isolation with a heart monitor just in case HIS OWN ACTIONS are hurting him.
(many in the US and around the world don't have access to medical care at all, much less can have specialists flown in to care for them when they've done it to themselves)
22-due to terrorists HARMFUL ACTIONS TO HIMSELF a specialist is FLOWN IN FROM 600 MILES away, terrorist is given MORE MEDICAL CARE and an ENTIRE DAY OF SLEEP, just because, though no medical probs were found
(this is more than average stay-at-home and new mothers who are exausted feeding and caring for children round the clock receive)
23-After even MORE MEDICAL CARE, terrorist is hooded, shackled, restrained and taken back to camp in an ambulanced after his nice little vacation
(all this medical care for terrorists own actions is starting to really piss me off, on the other hand I expect no less from our fine US service members)
24-Terrorist is briefly nude during a strip search
(duh)
25-Try to get terrorist to bark and growl like a dog at photos of other terrorists
(LOL! Not sure of the purpose but this is something I could and would totally do and not find the least bit torturous)
26-Arab speaking service member tries to pose as terrorist's friend and make nice to get info
(Wow, how horrible of them.)

Now, here is the list of so-called SEVERE HUMAN RIGHTS ABUSES of terrorists at the hands of US service members at GITMO. I'm quite certain they wouldn't commit severe human rights abuses against you, Oasis, or even you Durbin, for comparing them to Nazi tactics because that just isn't who they are and what they are about. I would totally kick your ass for your lies if I could though.

Here's a big dose of balance for Durbin and his ilk.

Columnist Mark Steyn on Gitmo, Sen. Dick Durbin (D-IL) and election chances for the Democratic Party:

"Where the anti-Gitmo crowd went wrong was in expanding its objections from the legal status of the prisoners to the treatment they‚re receiving. By any comparison — ie, not just with Hitler, Stalin and Pol Pot — they’re getting better than they deserve. It’s the first gulag in history where the torture victims put on weight. Each prisoner released from Guantanamo receives a new copy of the Koran plus a free pair of blue jeans in his new size: the average detainee puts on 13 pounds during his stay, thanks to the “mustard-baked dill fish”, “baked Tandoori chicken breast” and other delicacies. These and other recipes from the gulag’s kitchen have now been collected by some Internet wags and published as The Gitmo Cookbook.

"Judging from the way he’s dug himself in, Dick Durbin, the Number Two Democrat in the US Senate, genuinely believes Gitmo is analogous to Belsen, the gulags and the killing fields. But he crossed a line, from anti-Bush to anti-American, and most Americans have no interest in following him down that path.You can’t claim (as Democrats do, incessantly) to “support our troops” and then dump them in the same category as the Nazis and the Khmer Rouge. In the hermetically sealed echo chamber between the Dem leadership, the mainstream US media, Hollywood, Ivy League “intellectuals” and European sophisticates, the gulag cracks are utterly unexceptional. But, for a political party that keeps losing elections because it has less and less appeal outside a few coastal enclaves, Durbin’s remarks are devastating. The Democrats flopped in 2002 and 2004 because they were seen as incoherent on national security issues. Explicitly branding themselves as the “terrorists’ rights” party is unlikely to improve their chances for 2006."
http://daily.nysun.com/Repository/getmailfiles.asp?Style=OliveXLib:ArticleToMail&Type=text/html&Path=NYS/2005/06/20&ID=Ar00800

Everyone who isn't Oasis,

We've now have several days worth of evidence to establish that Oasis is, indeed, a dumbshit.

Trying to adjust his warped view of reality seems pretty pointless as does talking to him any further. However, talking ABOUT him might have some entertainment value ... for instance, I suspect that he still wets the bed and lives with his mother.

Perhaps if everyone stopped responding directly to his foolishness and posted "photos of victims of terrorist, American flags and red lights" instead we could make him cry and run away home?

Just a thought.

quote/Trying to adjust *HIS* warped view of reality/end quote

I know this is slightly off topic, but I'm new and don't have as much history so I gotta a say...I got a funny feeling that Oasis is a chick. See, I'm a lady, and we know our own regardless of difference of political views, plus Oasis argues a bit too much on FEELING as opposed to veracity. Women do this. It's how I win arguments with my husband.

If in fact Oasis is NOT a woman, then he is a very feminine whiny bitch baby posing as a woman.

TEEEEEEEJ