Ahh... Logic. Sweet, sweet logic.

You nailed it Frank. If I disagree with "A" that doesn't mean I agree with "B".

What should really frighten the left is that the half of the people who are contributing to Bush's low aproval rating are more conservative than the President. Hovwever, I don't think that they've quite figured that out yet, I think a punch in the head would certainly be worth a try....BTW I recently heard the Pres referred to as a Christian Socailist. Now that's funny.

Oh and First.

Damn long coments now I'm not first.

Calling liberals "'tards" is a insult to the retarded. Shut your mouth!

Why are you trying to confuse liberals with facts and logic? the only way to understand a liberal is to throw all those unnecessary facts away and just read your opinion off of the mailer the DNC sent to you.

Amen, brother.

Logic. It's all about logic. And they ain't usin' none.

I noticed that you jumped from Reason you Hate Liberals number 54,389 to Reason you Hate Liberals number 79,775. If you have about 5 minutes could you jot down the other 25,386 that we missed?

"90% would still think you should be locked away in an asylum and given shock therapy." This statement explains to me why a totally useless and brain disableing treatmen such as ECT is still used.

Frank, I've written a post about exactly the same thing:

You Just Can't Reason With Some People

There is no reasoning with liberals (as I've found out many times). The entire basis of liberalisim is going with your feeeelings and eeeeemotions. Compairing them to retarded people and monkeys is only insulting the mentally retrated and monkes. The only question left is how many times each one needs to be punched in the face? Whatever the number, it's probably not enough.

//Listen up, 'tards: //

The problem with saying stuff like this, Frank, is that the liberal response to absolute truth and logic is to stuff their fingers in their ears and shriek, "NOT LISTENIN'! NOT LISTENIN'!"

Hitler had a moustache.

John Bolton has a moustache.

Therefore, all Republicans are Nazis.

Nancy Pelosi does not have a moustache.

Therefore, all Democrats are the opposite of Nazis.

Americans won't vote for Nazis.

Therefore, Democrats will win all seats in the House and Senate with 100% of the vote.

(Who says the Dems don't have a plan for the 2006 elections?)

Master Shakes comment will soon be awarded a Pulitzer Prize for poetry, and will be set to music by Jon Bonjovi to sing at Dems rallys. Meanwhile Howard Dean will swish his head around his rectum looking for the clue bat needed for any chance of victory.

We ain't all gun-hating hippies, jackass, some of us can use the fucking things.

You're an idiot.

Yeah, but you hold the gun sideways, gangsta-style, and can't hit anything.

I look at it this way: Something like a third of Americans are gun-worshipping crypto-Nazi nutjobs; another third are tree-hugging hippies.

Then there's the third in the middle, and they were willing to go along with Bush for awhile because he and his cronies in the right-wing media had a confident swagger and managed to blur the line between wishful thinking and "optimism."

We've since learned the difference. Most of Bush's foreign-policy pipedreams have been exposed for the delusions they always were; his lack of leadership made itself plain in the response to Katrina; and his disastrous domestic policies are beginning to manifest themselves in rising interest rates, the return of urban crime and widespread corporate corruption. That will be the Bush legacy.

Fortunately, this obscene parody of American values that wormed its way into the White House six years ago is toast, and good riddance.

Americans can and will demand leaders who embrace the values that the flag represents, not cowards who hide behind it; who revere the Constitution as a testament to man's highest ideals, not scheming powermongers who treat it as an inconvenience to be exploited or evaded according to whim; who understand that government exists to protect people, not profits.

It's not clear that Democrats will be able to provide that type of leadership. But one thing's for certain: It will be a very long time before they trust the right wing of the GOP to do so again. You folks are out of power.

such deep wisdom and insight oh holy one. calling someone retarded is real clever. you conservatives are so smart. by gosh!

And the syphilitic trolls have awoken from their drunken stupor....

You guys have really thought out your positions well. It's refreshing to see such comments as:

Calling liberals "'tards" is a insult to the retarded.

or:

Compairing (sic) them to retarded people and monkeys is only insulting the mentally retrated (sic) and monkes (sic).

or:

Americans won't vote for Nazis.

Therefore, Democrats will win all seats in the House and Senate with 100% of the vote.

At least this last point warrants some sort of response. I personally don't think that the near fifty percent who voted for Bush will suddenly vote for their interests. They're far too emotional. They get pumped full of fear and make rash decisions. I have zero faith in their ability to know what is best for them (blacks voting for Republicans in Ohio, poor Southerners voting in essence for estate tax cuts, gay Republicans!!!)

No, the Republican voting base (as opposed to its financial base, which is quite shrewd) needs to be duped into helping itself. They will go kicking and screaming before they embrace public transportation, universal health care, and public investment in education, like a dirty boy who refuses to wash.

So, what do you all suggest? How can Democrats trick you into reacting emotionally in a positive direction for a change? How about...an amendment that protects your right to self-inflict psychological trauma on a daily basis with beer, NASCAR, and inherently contradictory worldviews? Or legislation that lets you shoot golf balls into aquaria at dolphins?

What reckless yet vivifying activity can we let you all perform, just so we can live in a progressive society? I'd even kick in an ATV or two. Consider it a rebate.

republicans are retarded and hateful.

Let's see...

Debating the war in Iraq (what war? we're fighting "insurgents," no true military, jesus christ), helping out the people left homeless in the wake of Katrina (your fellow countrymen, yet y'all care more about the "poor Iraqis being freed"), borrowing a gotdamn lot of money from a commie country like China to fund this excecise in stupidity, tapping people with no government auditing of who the hell is being tapped, (yea! AMERICAN!), encouraging half of the US to call the other half "traitorous, anti-American (grandmas, dads, soldiers, teachers, butchers, college kids) cuz they disagree with ANYthing bush has done, encouraging mindless twerps to write a cheesy all-girl country band death threats cuz of a one line statement about our preznit in another country (sooo freakin what? y'all are the loudest, biggest babies since I don't know when), repealing of the Davis-Bacon act, illegals streaming across the borders, blah blah blah blah blah, and you're commenting (barely) on what all those "damn tard liberals" assume about bush's poll ratings?

AHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Remember kids, you're not a conservative unless you agree with the rest of 'em.

Bullshit.

Oh, yea..while y'all are repeating lines from limbaugh, and fox news (ya know, the foreign owned news source, that takes its cues from al-Waleed, one of the investors) and trying to claim "democrats have no plan," I'd like to remind you that neo-conservatives (NOT Conservatives, there's a big freakin difference!!) have control of the house and senate. The Legislative, the Executive, and trying to take over the Judiciary, so how the flying f*ck are they supposed to get ANYthing passed, or deny the passage of ANY decent law when the neo-cons smash every attempt? Obviously you freakers don't watch C-SPAN, otherwise you'd see what the hell I'm talking about.

Do some research on Leo Strauss, and your boy Wolfowitz. The reading might be too heavy for you, but I'm sure you can get one of your mommies to explain it to you....But don't worry, there's no mention of terrorists or anything, so it won't scare you into screaming, and enacting more and more metal detectors at places like the Statue of Liberty, or be patted down like animals at airports, or encouraging more wire tapping and internet snooping, or encouraging protestors to be arrested, or anything like that. We know how much you all wet your pants when you think about big bad terrorists and stuff, and how you kinda forget that when we trained the mujahdeen fighters, and gave them weapons when it was in our best interest, we never removed our military from the areas. Why should it matter though, because we'd never get pissed or anything if we had foreign military on our soil for 25 years. (oh, but let me guess, you're gonna call me an "anti-American" terrorist sympathizer, instead of a smart guy trying to figure out how to best protect his family, and dealing with the cause, instead of the effects? Cuz swingin hammers at roaches is SUPER effective, ain't it?)

The world is really simple, isn't it?

Listen Princess.

Universal Health Care? Guess who pays for that?

Conservatives (The ones with jobs)

Go ask Canada and France how their "Universal" health care is doing. Oh wait, they're migrating back to privatized, cause it works about as well as communism.

And note, just because you use words out of your 11th grade grammar book, dosn't make you smart.

FOR TEH WIN!!

Rocco, we're just trying to put things in a language you will comprehend, for, as previously mentioned, you don't get the logic that, first our economy is BOOMING, second, the terrorists are being force to play in their own back yards by our troops being stationed there, and 3rd, NOBODY in their right mind will EVER trust a democratic hardliner again, because the left is full of retards.

roob h - 40 million Americans are without health care. Since the unemployent is at around 4%. Since 40 million represents about 13%, that means that 9% of the working population is without health care. When they get sick, it hurts everybody. But you knew that, in your quest to win. Hope you stay healthy!

shimauma - thanks for thinking of me.

Let's break down your points with said logic.

Our economy is booming.

Yes, oil companies, pharmeceuticals, and financial institutions are doing quite well, and we have a low unemployment rate.

Of course, we have borrowed billions from Saudis and the Chinese, which is worrisome. And our housing crutch is floundering. And our economy is heavily dependent on oil. And real wages for the majority of Americans haven't raised since the '70s. Marketing strategies like 'Trading Up' advise us businesspeople to attack the high-end or the low-end - because the middle class is shrinking.

The terrorists are being force to play in their own back yards by our troops being stationed there

I'm probably fighting a losing cause here, because if one could recognize that Iraqi insurgents differ from Al Qaeda, you wouldn't have supported the war in the first place. At any rate, terrorists are as much a threat today as 5 years ago. This administration has failed to do things as simple as secure our ports or our nuclear plants. It only found time to destabilize a region, creating more Islamic fundamentalists in power.

Nobody will ever trust a Democratic hardliner again?

Again?

Wow, the unhinged libs sure came out of the closet today. To all of you confused (to be politically correct) liberals who think that everyone is coming around to your point of view, let me direct you to these two bits:

This is Richard Cohen of the Post describing how people like you, the lunatic left, might help to keep the Republicans in power.

This is an e-mail that was sent to Jonah Goldberg of NRO. If you think this e-mailer makes any good points, then you were sadly born without a fully developed sense of reason. To borrow a phrase from Airplane, You deserve to be"thrown in the mud, and kicked, in the head, with an iron boot."

Here's the e-mail:

Mr. Goldberg, You are an idiot and an insult to our Jewish heritage, gas prices are regulated by herr bushler and his oil cabal, you rant and rave at democrats but there are no differences except republicans steal for their own pockets and democrats give to others pockets. We know that 911 was to destroy the bush crime families ties to the brady bond scheme, all SEC investigative records were destroyed in WTC7. Mr. neozionist silverstein admitted to 'pulling' the building which we all know means demolition. C'mon join the human race, does selling out really feel that good, didn't your mother ever tell you to tell the truth? We know Mr. Golberg, we know about right wing shills like you. The sad thing is when push comes to shove, your neocon friends will flush you down the toilet, like cheap paper. Think hard about what is important, join the team for the big win, bring some honor and dignity to yourself.

What a asshat. Seriously, do these idiots really believe this stuff?

Wow, the unhinged libs sure came out of the closet today. To all of you confused (to be politically correct) liberals who think that everyone is coming around to your point of view, let me direct you to these two bits:

This is Richard Cohen of the Post describing how people like you, the lunatic left, might help to keep the Republicans in power.

This is an e-mail that was sent to Jonah Goldberg of NRO. If you think this e-mailer makes any good points, then you were sadly born without a fully developed sense of reason. To borrow a phrase from Airplane, You deserve to be"thrown in the mud, and kicked, in the head, with an iron boot."

Here's the e-mail:

Mr. Goldberg, You are an idiot and an insult to our Jewish heritage, gas prices are regulated by herr bushler and his oil cabal, you rant and rave at democrats but there are no differences except republicans steal for their own pockets and democrats give to others pockets. We know that 911 was to destroy the bush crime families ties to the brady bond scheme, all SEC investigative records were destroyed in WTC7. Mr. neozionist silverstein admitted to 'pulling' the building which we all know means demolition. C'mon join the human race, does selling out really feel that good, didn't your mother ever tell you to tell the truth? We know Mr. Golberg, we know about right wing shills like you. The sad thing is when push comes to shove, your neocon friends will flush you down the toilet, like cheap paper. Think hard about what is important, join the team for the big win, bring some honor and dignity to yourself.

What an asshat. Seriously, do these people really believe this stuff?

Wow, the unhinged libs sure came out of the closet today. To all of you confused (to be politically correct) liberals who think that everyone is coming around to your point of view, let me direct you to these two bits:

This is Richard Cohen of the Post describing how people like you, the lunatic left, might help to keep the Republicans in power.

This is an e-mail that was sent to Jonah Goldberg of NRO. If you think this e-mailer makes any good points, then you were sadly born without a fully developed sense of reason. To borrow a phrase from Airplane, You deserve to be"thrown in the mud, and kicked, in the head, with an iron boot."

Here's the e-mail:

Mr. Goldberg, You are an idiot and an insult to our Jewish heritage, gas prices are regulated by herr bushler and his oil cabal, you rant and rave at democrats but there are no differences except republicans steal for their own pockets and democrats give to others pockets. We know that 911 was to destroy the bush crime families ties to the brady bond scheme, all SEC investigative records were destroyed in WTC7. Mr. neozionist silverstein admitted to 'pulling' the building which we all know means demolition. C'mon join the human race, does selling out really feel that good, didn't your mother ever tell you to tell the truth? We know Mr. Golberg, we know about right wing shills like you. The sad thing is when push comes to shove, your neocon friends will flush you down the toilet, like cheap paper. Think hard about what is important, join the team for the big win, bring some honor and dignity to yourself.

What a asshat. Seriously, do these idiots really believe this stuff?

"This administration has failed to do things as simple as secure our ports or our nuclear plants. It only found time to destabilize a region, creating more Islamic fundamentalists in power."

Yeah. Right.

I'm really tired of the "create more terrorists" canard.

Drop it.

From today's New York Times:

Seized Papers Said to Show Qaeda in Iraq Is Worried

By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

BAGHDAD, Iraq, May 8 (AP) — The Council of Holy Warriors, Al Qaeda's branch in Iraq, is worried that its cells in the Baghdad area are ineffective, with one militant describing their activities as nothing more than a "daily annoyance" to the Iraqi government, according to two documents released Monday by the United States military.

The military said it had seized the documents on April 16 during raids in and around Yusifiya, a town 10 miles south of Baghdad that has long served as a base for Sunni Arab extremists. The documents indicate that the group is worried that it is unable to secure a solid base within Baghdad, military officials said.

The documents seemed to be released as part of an American campaign to deflate the image of the local branch of Al Qaeda and that of its leader, Abu Musab al-Zarqawi.

The documents were made available four days after the military released what it said were clips that the group had cut from a video before posting it on the Web. In those clips, Mr. Zarqawi fumbles with an American-made machine gun. In the version on the Web, Mr. Zarqawi appears as a confident, skilled warrior.

In one of the newly released documents, an unidentified member of the group wrote that the cells in Baghdad are capable of only "hit and run" operations, leading the public to conclude that "the Shiites are stronger in Baghdad and nearer to controlling it," while the mujahedeen "are not considered more than a daily annoyance to the Shiite government."

The other document released Monday outlined the group's strategy in Baghdad. It said the Council of Holy Warriors should focus on the capital and reduce its attacks on Sunni areas.

Focusing on Baghdad, the document stated, would force the United States military to shift more of its resources there, which would allow the militants to regroup in their traditional bases. Those bases include the ones in Anbar Province, where the cities of Falluja and Ramadi are situated.

The writer says that the American and Iraqi government forces "were able to absorb our painful blows," enlist new recruits and "take control of Baghdad as well as other areas, one after the other."

//Of course, we have borrowed billions from Saudis and the Chinese, which is worrisome. //

I would like to see your reference for this, because I find it hard to believe that the US would borrow money from countries that owe us money.

//one could recognize that Iraqi insurgents differ from Al Qaeda, //

Don't know if you remember but the terrorists of Al Queda were TRAINING in Iraq, we have films, pictures and documents to show all of this, and there's the money Saddam gave these loonies to fund their exploits. The insurgents in Iraq now are the dregs of what's left and they're so focused on creating problems for the our troops, they don't have the time or money to get back to attacking the US directly.

I notice that in my phrase "nobody in their RIGHT MIND will ever trust a demoncraptic hardliner again" you cut out RIGHT MIND from my original statement. When I used "again" I was referring to those who initially thought Howard Dean was a good choice...as you well know, those of a skewed sense still refer to him as their mouthpiece. Now days a lot of sensible people see the (D) next to some politician's name and can only think "YEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAARGH!!!"

As amusing as that sound was, it tends to scare right-thinking people off.

Another thing I notice when trolls and whiners like you come make stupid suppositions here, you complain about getting called stupid or retarded, say your "free speech" is being infringed. I say that you should just accept the fact that you may say what you want, but if it turns out to sound stupid or retarded, you should accept the results of your stupid or retarded statement.

I also noticed that on a lot of leftwing blogs and boards you have to register to comment, and thus be counted as one of the many "members" of their group, even though you(the conservative registerer) are only commenting to make a sensible point which will in turn be rejected or vilified if they allow the comment to publish.

In the meantime rightwing boards generally let the loonies come on sans register and declare their stupidity quite publically...and then the trolls whine when they get sensible, if harshly stated, replies.

Funny.

I'm done.

LIB OR CON?

Love intelligent and competent leadership which best serves the American “machine.”
Love a strong and effective military.
Love diversity as long as it can speak the same language.
Love all freedoms not proven to be counterproductive or destructive.

Hate unrestricted outsourcing of jobs and technology.
Hate wide open borders and foreign interests operating our ports.
Hate most anything “illegal” or “irresponsible” or “illegitimate.”
Hate Americas backwardness regarding energy.

Suspicious of anyone in power.
Skeptical of human nature.
Judge people based on results, not image or trends.

Want Bush gone.

DESTARDI,

Are you 'tardy ("retarded", for any of you stoopid liberals out there who wouldn't know sarcasm if it bit them on the lip)?

Who's Bilbo?

shimauma - I'm not complaining that you call us stupid. It's just not a very good way to argue. Debate 101 - never insult your opponent.

As for your request for proof that we have borrowed billions from the Chinese and Saudis:

from BBC

China is a major funder of US debt, holding about $260bn (£149bn) in US Treasury bonds - second only to Japan.

Any reduction in China's dollar assets could hit the US economy.

Re Saudis, I was a bit vague. According to the Washington Post, some bankers estimated in February 2002 that "high net worth Saudi individuals" had invested $500 billion to $700 billion in the U.S. economy.

Hope I have been of service. Perhaps it will calm your nerves. You seem tense.

shimauma - last point. You wrote:

I also noticed that on a lot of leftwing blogs and boards you have to register to comment, and thus be counted as one of the many "members" of their group, even though you(the conservative registerer) are only commenting to make a sensible point which will in turn be rejected or vilified if they allow the comment to publish.

In the meantime rightwing boards generally let the loonies come on sans register and declare their stupidity quite publically...and then the trolls whine when they get sensible, if harshly stated, replies.

Like redstate.com? Or Rush Limbaugh's site?

Funny, I always thought the same thing. Every progressive blog I go to has many trolls.

I rarely do this, but you all seemed far too comfortable. Maybe friction is the best for all of us.

THE BBC??? Yer kidding, right. Yeah, I'll believe them when Dan Rather gets his credibility back.

psht...

//In the meantime rightwing boards generally let the loonies come on sans register//

You'll note I said GENERALLY if you had bothered to thoroughly read my post. Rush is making money, capitalism at work, ya dunderhead.

As far as me insulting you, I'm not debating you. I'm belittling you with facts and throwing insults in for fun. Now why don't you climb out of mom and dad's basement and go get a job so you'll have less free time on your hands to be a trolling idiot.

“I also noticed that on a lot of leftwing blogs and boards you have to register to comment”

I say Bias. I’ve noticed blog owner characteristics or philosophies shared by both left and right:

* Instigators: Blogowners who try to get linked by the other side because they love a good fight.
* Anal retentives: Blogowners who delete/ban anything/anyone offensive to their core readers.
* No comments allowed: too lazy, too busy..
* Integrity weepies: Never delete or ban even if the comments make them want to cry and they’ll even tell you this.
* Comment farmers: Blogowners who rarely respond to comments directly, but will germinate any good seed ideas into lengthy posts pro or con.

shimauma - You've become a pet project.

Do you really enjoy insulting others? When did this begin? I just read an article that 'bully' behavior is linked to a lack of self-control. Does this apply to you?

I ask because I hope that, with some help, you may conquer your inner demons, which will most likely lessen your identification with bullies, i.e. Republicans. One voter at a time.

Besides, this is my job. I get paid to do this. Ain't America swell?

P.S. You don't trust facts read off the BBC. Interesting. So, where must a fact come from before you'll accept it?

//Besides, this is my job. I get paid to do this. Ain't America swell?//

Aha, you're a therapist. A human being with mental instability and self uncertainty issues trying to figure out and "assist" another human being.

That explains a lot.

The space under your bridge is getting lonely without you.

Holy crap, this thread is troll-o-rrific!

Get a life trolls, it's spring and the days are beautiful.

Frank, you must've been linked to from some fourth-tier lib-rant blog.

BTW, I like the dig in the comments (whoever it was) on "gun loving libs" who hold their guns "sideways, gangsta-style". Ha!

jodido - I am outside. And I'm about to go swimming. It's always summer here in the tropics. Besides, how long does it take to answer one of these things, five minutes? And shall I point out the irony of you telling me - via computer - to go outside and get a life? Hostility without self-reflexivity is dangerous ground.

And my dear shimauma, not a therapist. Just work at home. It's a good life. (The best part? I don't have to drive anywhere.) I only hope that dialogue outside of your comfort zone may get someone in here to reason, instead of react in a knee-jerk fashion.

Insult away, my adorable little fascists!