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November 17, 2006
I didn't fight the law. The guy at UCLA fought them. So, who got shot?
Posted by Laurence Simon at 03:25 PM | View blog reactions | Comments (23)

Remember last year when I told you the tale of getting mistaken for an illegal Mexican narcoterrorist gunrunner?

If you read through my account of it, despite their obvious mistake from my perspective, I did nothing to resist, frustrate, confuse, or infuriate the individuals with potentially lethal weaponry in a 25-foot radius of me or Deskmerc.

They were not asking me to do things. This was not some negotiation.

They commanded me.

I complied the first time they issued any command. If they said anything twice, it was only because I was doing it slowly to make sure I wasn't doing it too quickly and looking like I was trying to escape, resist, or... whatever the hell other than what they were telling me to do.

One ugly face, one middle finger, one expletive in the face of large men with guns and flak jackets, and Deskmerc would still be scraping me off of his passenger's seat.

If someone wasn't scraping him off of his seat.

I did what they said, complied with every order, used language that was neither offensive or rude, and things got sorted out without anyone getting hurt or sued.

If I could be faulted for anything, it was for not being able to completely stifle the urge to laugh at how absurd the situation was. I don't think that helped speed things along.

I knew they had made a huge mistake, they didn't know it yet, and I knew that it would be sorted out.

For a situation where I could quickly get a huge hole blown in my skull, it was funny as HELL. And this isn't just me now looking back at it... while I was going through it, the absurdity of it all was stupefying.

Best part of it all was that they eventually caught the bad guys.

Now compare that to the guy at UCLA, in the library without a simple pass after passes-only hours had started.

For such a tiny thing to resist over, he was screaming "Don't touch me!" and "Get off of me!" and "I have a medical condition!" and "Here's your Patriot Act!" and "Here's your f--king abuse of Power!" and "I was leaving this godforsaken place!" and "F--- off!" (dashes added so as not to offend Mrs K-J)

He tried to leave when they told him not to. He didn't leave when they asked him to. He didn't stand when they told him to. He did the opposite of what the uniformed officers were telling him to.

They told him multiple times to stand up. I've counted fifteen so far.

If it's something minor that can be sorted out easily and the situation can be defused by complying, you comply.

The guy's got a medical condition, alright: retardation.

Or, since he was actually using the library for something other than Pat The Bunny, maybe deafness.

Perhaps I have an advantage over the guy. After all, we Jews have a sense of humor about crazy overkill situations like these based on simple misunderstandings. I guess we developed and cultured it over thousands of years of having the crap beaten out of us just being us.

Instead of shouting like a nutcase, I kept calm and laughed.

Lucky bastard, though. All they had pointing at his stupid ass were Tasers.

Rating: 1.0/5 (2 votes cast)

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23 Responses To "I didn't fight the law. The guy at UCLA fought them. So, who got shot?"

Hmpf. If they had blown a few holes in 'im, the noise might've disturbed the other library patrons. Are Tasers quiet? I mean, except for Moron-Man screaming.

#1 - Posted by: Elisson on November 17, 2006 03:43 PM

Lair, as apart of the Jewish conspiracy we are to offend Mrs. K. It was in our last batch of communications.

#2 - Posted by: Robert on November 17, 2006 03:57 PM

Wow, that video enrages me, as do the comments below it. This guy is CLEARLY resisting police authority for no reason and then when the police are forced to try to control the guy, the other idiot students start whining about brutality? I can maybe forgive them since they're in the heat of the moment and may not understand entirely, but the people posting comments about the video can sit there and watch it and analyze it and see that the police were entirely in the right, and still they call it an injustice and racist and other garbage. This seriously makes me angry, and also glad that I attend a college with an overwhelmingly-conservative student body who I get along with quite well.

#3 - Posted by: Knave on November 17, 2006 04:04 PM

Ok so how does a Jooooo get mistaken for a Mexican and there has to be a joke in there somewhere, right?

#4 - Posted by: ussjimmycarter on November 17, 2006 04:40 PM

Knave, where do you go to school? I'm asking cause my son is a junior in HS right now and plans on attending college. As all colleges seem to be cesspools for anti-American jackasses, I'm interested in finding him a good college which still does what parents pay good money for, educate their off spring. Thanks in advance.

#5 - Posted by: Theresa on November 17, 2006 05:11 PM

That kid suffers so well. His performance is reminiscent of Cheech and Chong's "Earache My Eye."

#6 - Posted by: Mary B. on November 17, 2006 05:18 PM

You seem to be correct, far as we can see, but we're missing a good bit of information about the event. Such as:
How were the police first involved? (The library doesn't seem a likely full time officer station.) If summoned (more likely) by 'someone' - who did? Did the student blow off previous staff requests to leave? Library Pass hour rules?, and for what reasonable purpose? Are student/other user library passes hard to get? Does this student have a mental disorder? Or if a physical one, is it a visually apparant one? Harder to assess: are students at this university spring-loaded to forming mobs and riots? (since such an event seemed to be in 'formation stage' - at least until they got the overwrought person out of there.
Most of the reactions over at YouTube seem of the 'Indymedia comments' variety, ie. grossly imature or wacko. Iranians and Arabs fall under the standard racial classification of 'Caucasian', so I don't understand the race angle (unless one or more of the police was of another race).
I'm not connected to law enforcement, nor are any friends and relatives.

#7 - Posted by: Gerry on November 17, 2006 06:01 PM

First let me just say....BUWAHAHAHAHAHA

Secondly, I was highly disappointed in the actions of that police force! They made several mistakes

Why in hell didn't they tazer the three dimwit college liberals standing there arguing with them?

Why did they not also pepper spray the student? Then instead of screaming "stand up" and him not complying they could have shouted "snot and cry on yourself" and he would have been in full compliance.

Also, what happened to the billy club...I never see the billy club anymore...

#8 - Posted by: martin luther on November 17, 2006 06:28 PM

Having had the privilege of dealing with various gendarmerie over the years, I have learned that the time to rip some ass is after the fact. Yes, you comply. Deal with the situation, then deal WITH THE SITUATION.

What got me was the number of half-retarded little rich kids supporting Mr. Tase-o'-matic while he crapped himself on the library floor. I wonder if our campuses are ready to blow up. That would be a shame. I can't find either my old ATO sweatshirt or my baseball bat....

#9 - Posted by: HerrMorgenholz on November 17, 2006 07:33 PM

Theresa, you might look into Utah State University. Logan is the best little town ever, and the university there is the Utah Branch Campus of the Rush Limbaugh Institute For Advanced Conservative Studies. It's cheap to live there and there's a free bus system so you don't need a car.

#10 - Posted by: Wacky Hermit on November 17, 2006 09:42 PM

Theresa:

where do you go to school? I'm asking cause my son is a junior in HS right now and plans on attending college. As all colleges seem to be cesspools for anti-American jackasses, I'm interested in finding him a good college which still does what parents pay good money for, educate their off spring. Thanks in advance.

Have 2 who went to Wheaton College, IL. Highly recruited school, #1 ROTC unit in the U.S. in 2005, School Motto "For Christ and His Kingdom" -- cesspoolers select themselves out, so it can be kind of a wonderful sometimes too wonderful suburban Bubble -- But the Daughter did take one of their overseas mission trips to AFRICA 12 weeks in the summer to Tutor boys in an orphanage boys brought out of real ISLAMIC slavery in an ISLAMIC country .

Compare that too "Screamer Boy" and "Officer's we want your information you are abusing your authority".

I think she's getting a good education.

Start with Wheaton College IL, Hope College MI,

The older brother went there too, he got into the Stanford MBA program.

The Daughter is headed after graduation to either Johns Hopskins Nursing School or UCSF Med school.

We toured UCLA for the youngest, OK for Engineering or Medicine, the rest is "A PIT IN Halceon Weather" and they absolutely hate their ROTC students.

#11 - Posted by: Econ-Scott on November 17, 2006 10:10 PM

I was actually traffic stopped for the first time in a LONG time the other week. Lights came on, and before he even hit the siren, I had pulled over, put the truck in parck, turned it OFF, pushed the button to roll down my window, and put my hands where the police officer could see them.

Officer walked up, and said "you can put your hands down" - I said "Yes sir, can I help you sir?" he said I had done a "rolling stop" at a stop sign (to be honest - I might have). I told him that he was probably correct, but I was not sure. He thanked me for being polite, said "Next time, be more careful" - and let me go on my way

There is an old saying - perhaps the guy in the college never learned it "You catch more flies with honey than vingar"

#12 - Posted by: kg2v on November 17, 2006 11:37 PM

I think this Mostafa guy is looking for a police brutality/racial profiling lawsuit and a huge settlement.

I think this because the LA City COuncil just settled this week, out of court, a meritless lawsuit with a fireman (racism was accused because of a prank, which was one of many in which he had actively participated.) They awarded him 2.7 million dollars!

Who had the video phone ready to go? Was it a friend?

#13 - Posted by: on November 17, 2006 11:45 PM

What an idiotic conclusion. Lancet medical studies on the effects of a taser show that many people would be incapacitated for up to 15 minutes. You don't even know if this kid was able to comply.

In any case, the standards for use of force is to protect the police and public. A subdued, handcuffed college student, laying on the ground posed no such threat. What was witnessed on tape was sadistic brutality.

What prompted this? A student forgot his ID card, and happened to be in the library, ostensibly studying.

I'm not surprised that conservatives defend these thugs. Conservatives support absolute police powers. Liberals support only the use of force necessary to protect the police and public. Liberals believe that police are public servants there to protect us, and not become a Stasi style, bunch of jackbooted thugs, who make law as they go along.

It's not surprising that this mindset supports the dimise of habeous corpus and use of torture on anyone who just might be a bad guy (as it turns out, most of those tortured and detained happened to be innocent civilians).

Y'all scare the hell out of me, and make me proud to be a liberal. Thank God your authoritarianistic tendencies have been rejected by the American people.

#14 - Posted by: Dick Tuck on November 18, 2006 09:03 AM

The Liberal makes the mistake of thinking that the police serve them, they do not. The police serve the public interest, not just the individuals.

If a person claiming to be a student does not have an ID card after a certain hour in a building, the police eject him. They do this, not because it earns them a toaster oven if they brutalize their quotas worth, but because people sneak into libraries on larger campuses and do things like steal laptops and rape women.

I have been ejected from a college library for not having my ID card with me after hours. I apologized, got my things, was escorted to the door, and came back 15 minutes later after finding my card. I'M A WHITE MALE! It wasn't racism is was safety.

Now I know that within the darkness of the liberal mind, there is some confusion about police and how to respond to them, so here is a guide to help.

If an authoirty figure asks you to do something it is not the same as The March on the Mall at Washington. They are just asking you to do something for everyone's safety.

If you get pulled over by police for running a red light, its because you ran the red light. There is no reason to break into a chorus of "We shall overcome."

And if you are selected for search at your local airport you do not need to immediately burn your bra in protest.....

Police have a hard job to do, keeping your sorry butt safe. If you don't comply with a request to leave, but instead start screaming about racism you deserve to be handcuffed, tazed repeatedly and arrested.

#15 - Posted by: martin luther on November 18, 2006 11:18 AM

The officers could have easily carried him out of the library, arrested him and taken him away in a car, etc... Tasering him over and over again was unnecessary and just punishment. He was clearly in pain and hysterical and possibly not even able to stand up. He was CLEARLY not a threat.

The police were way over the line.

I agree, though, that the kid was stupid and should have just left when asked in the first place. He could have avoided the whole situation. But that doesn't excuse police brutality.

EI

#16 - Posted by: Earnest Iconoclast on November 18, 2006 12:48 PM

Brilliant, Dick Tuck.

If the pooooor guy simply "forgot" his card, all he had to do was say so and take it from there; in fact, he refused to show it on principle -- the principle, apparently, that being asked to show an I.D. is to suffer a racist offense of unlimited hatred.

If someone steals your credit card, Dick, and doesn't get to max it out because some racist, hate-filled clerk asked for the thief's photo I.D., I'd suggest you file charges and demand that you be ripped off properly as the thief intended.

#17 - Posted by: jill monterey on November 18, 2006 01:30 PM

By the time those bystanders asked about 28 million times for the badge numbers don't you think they could have just looked at the badges and written the numbers down?

But noooo. Let's have Mr. Cop drop everything and give you the numbers. If these police were really suppressing rights and freedoms don't you think they would have confiscated the video camera? It's not like they were hiding the thing it was pointed right at at least two officers standing by at one point. I'm glad I'm not a cop. It would have taken about everything in my power to keep from telling those morons to shut up and let me do my job.

#18 - Posted by: Dr. John on November 18, 2006 02:13 PM

I am guessing Dick Tuck is not just his handle (no pun intended), but something he does to look like a sweet little girl. (DT; "I feel pretty, oh so pretty...")

#19 - Posted by: AlanABQ on November 18, 2006 02:42 PM

Dick Tuck? C'mon! If you are going to post as an effitte pansy, don't add to your humiliation (and our amusement) with a handle like this!

As for this dork...if you are going to be a "tough" and take on the police and complain about the "patriot act"...at least don't squeel like a school girl when they taser your ass! I laughed my balls off!!!

#20 - Posted by: ussjimmycarter on November 19, 2006 07:25 AM


It puts the lotion on it's skin, or it gets the hose again.

#21 - Posted by: sean quixote on November 19, 2006 07:59 AM

"What an idiotic conclusion. Lancet medical studies on the effects of a taser show that many people would be incapacitated for up to 15 minutes. You don't even know if this kid was able to comply."

Lancet has a history of overexaggerating things. They were, after all, the ones that calculated 650 000 civilian deaths in Iraq (while all other estimates are were around 50K-100K). So when lancet says 15 minutes, I read 3-5 seconds (as other studies have shown).

#22 - Posted by: GowronX on November 19, 2006 10:17 AM

Theresa: I attend a college in the Utah Valley (in, you guessed it, Utah :) The whole valley is very conservative (and quite peaceful on the whole, wonder why?). Couple of schools in the valley worth looking at are Utah Valley State College (which is on the verge of becoming a University), and Brigham Young University (contrary to popular belief, this is not a Mormon-only school). As Wacky Hermit mentioned, Utah State University is another good one. About the only area of Utah that's not overwhelmingly conservative is the Salt Lake City area, which is home to the University of Utah, which may be more along the lines of the liberal higher education we've come to know and love in other parts of the country :P

Dick Tuck: If this "poor kid" was incapacitated, I'd think his ability to come up with and expell various anti-police profanities would have been limited. Fact is, he started screaming at them before the tazering began, he was warned repeatedly that a tazering was coming if he didn't calm himself and comply, and as strange as it seems, he got tazered for failing to comply. The way he was acting made him unpredictable and dangerous, and the police dropped him with a non-lethal means. And screaming about a medical condition is NOT a Get Out Of Jail Free Card. I've got a couple medical conditions, none of which have ANY bearing on whether or not I should be tazered if I'm out of control. If we halt all tazering when someone plays the completely ambiguous "I've got a medical condition", then police loose the authority to control dangerous situations.

I think I have more problem with the crowd than the "victim". They could have tried to remain calm, they could have encouraged the kid to cooperate and calm down, but instead they (and he) were clearly trying to escalate things. I applaud the INCREDIBLE restraint shown by the officers in not taking down many more who were pushing their way into an arrest scene, mobbing the officers. Frankly, a lot more tazer blasts could have justifiably gone out, and if we were living in the police state some morons claim, I'd say everyone within a twenty foot radius of the scene probably would have been taken down just to restore order. These cops used their discretion in allowing people to become unruly, try to get in the way of a police action, and probably even incitement to riot. I don't think I could have shown the same restraint in their shoes.

#23 - Posted by: Knave on November 21, 2006 11:25 AM
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