So kooks and weirdos don't care for the status quo. Whaddaya gonna do? No reason to pull out the extra broad brush.

Hey it's just up Drudge, Kerry was awarded a Purple Heart. Apparently he caught a Taze fragment in his can. He's keeping that one, but throwing his "Meritorious Tazer Service" Ribbon over the White House fence. Which ironically, is the closest he'll ever get to it.

Why do crazy people support Ron Paul? Maybe because they are under a lot of stress and thats causing their paranoia. Plain and simple, they see a lot of ugly things going on in their government and they are powerless to change anything.

Conspiracy theorists see their government making stupid idiotic moves right and left, and instead of simply writing off the government of being stupid they imagine that the government is highly competent and wroking in their own self interest or are working in the interest of the power brokers that put them in that position.

The federal governement has been on a big time power grab since September 11, and this makes them nervous because whether the government is simply corrupt or incompetent, these people are afraid of the government abusing or otherwise misusing its power. This in and of itself is not an irrational fear. Remember Waco?

Another class of kooks that supports Ron Paul, might be the White Supremacists. These people percieve that their ethnic group is being unfairly discriminated against, while other ehtnic groups are being given an unfair advantage. In a way they are correct! Affirmative Action does unfairly give racial minorities an advantage over whites. They also see trade policies taking jobs away from their communities and going over seas, once again they are right, this is happening.

Ron Paul represents a return to the way that things are supposed to be. Its like a return to the constitution that we learned before we learned the way that the world actually works. Ron Paul appeals to people's basic sense of justice and personal liberity, that we were taught as children we were entitled as a fundamental human right.

The proliferation of these kooks is a direct result of increasing government power, so of course a candidate that promises to reduce the power and influence of government is going to seem best.

Perhaps a better question, might be, "Are these people, right?" OUr government is corrupt, think Duke Cunningham, Harry Reid and William Jefferson, not to mention the entire Clinton administration. Who are these mysterious forces that keep promoting these total losers into power? Come on, Bush,Clinton, Bush, Clinton...

Used to be that Republicans were mistrustful of government. Ronald Reagan once said,"When I see a problem in our society, I look for the government program that is causing the problem, then I eliminate that government program." He also said, "Government is not the solution, Government is the problem."

Was Reagan an anti-American conspiracy theorist too?

In re the 2 previous posts: How do they do that? Does the Ron Paul campaign pay these folks to troll the web, ever vigilant to redress any slight to their leader? Seriously, I read voraciously and they're everywhere, and always able to overcome any post length restrictions. Where's my taser...

Being tasered doesn't mean that you're crazy. Advocating torture does.

[Searching out blogs to write comments like this also represents a mild form of dementia. -Ed.]

Well, you could say Ron Paul supporters are passionate and enthusiastic. But the problem is that they and Paul don't know how to run a government! I for one, don't want to see him get the shakey on-the-job-training that would be required. It no doubt would be a disaster.

Reading long, wordy posts by Ron Paul supporters is torture. Why do Ron Paul supporters advocate torture?

LEAVE RON PAUL ALONE! *sob*** I MEAN IT!!!

LEAVE
RON PAUL
A L O N E!!!! *sob*sniffle*sob*

Did anyone else see that sissified YouTube rant by 'ChrisCrocker'? I was touched. Like a touch of food poisoning. Oddly enough, I get the same feeling from Ron Pauliticians.

Is it a mere coincidence that the truthers & scientologists have so many parallels in their actions?
They both:

*Have a mind-boggling reverence for some wierdo named Ron.

*Follow their dogma on circular reasoning ("I know it's right because we said it was!").

*Harangue their detractors by any means available, including threatening legal action, harassment, public disruptions, intimidation, etc.

*Can't think for themselves. Can't hold a conversation about anything without insinuating some or all of their sects' ideology.

*Believe that total indoctrination is a virtue.

*Stay crispy in milk. (OK, that was just speculation)

*Act surreptitiously, like Amway/Quixtar salesmen.

*Enjoy the occasional jolt of electricity. (e-meters, tazer guns, whatever.)

Coincidences? Perhaps... But the real weirdness about all these Truthers is that they seem to be so turned on by their beliefs, almost TOO MUCH so. It really seems like more of a ruse to me. These people claim to be the "real" conservatives & Reps, but who do they act more like? Liberal moonbats & trolls! They'll show up anywhere and spew their beliefs, smear their opponents, and display very selective hearing/comprehension.

Would it be unconscionable for the Left to get a bunch of young idealists to act like this in order to draw negative attention away from their candidates and diverting it to the Conservatives? It's like what Lao Tzu said: Divide & conquer!
Or like what Jesus said & Lincoln reiterated: A house divided against itself cannot stand.

So either:

A. The Pauliticians are liberal subversives, becoming even more phony that we thought and are going to keep on acting foolish.

Or

B. They need to realize that Ron Paul has NO chance of even being nominated by the GOP, much less winning the Presidency, and therefore need to wake up & get behind a VIABLE Republican candidate.

Y'all know who I mean.

Answer: B. Alan, as usual, you deserve a dinner.

"Was Reagan an anti-American conspiracy theorist too?"

Republicans don't hate Ron Paul and don't call him a conspiracy theorist because of him wanting a limited government. He's been in the House for years and was always calling for this stuff--he always used to be received well by our side to the extent anybody was familiar with the guy (even after he came out against the Iraq War).

Our hatred of Paul is recent. It stems mostly from him talking about the North American Union and spouting off about 9/11 (Plus, his supporters act like he's the Messiah, even if we did support him that'd get annoying after awhile). He spends time on the Alex Jones Show -- if that’s not the definition of a conspiracy theorist, what is?

"Who are these mysterious forces that keep promoting these total losers into power? Come on, Bush,Clinton, Bush, Clinton..."

See, this is the key problem - and older and a wiser man than me once said:

"Never attribute to evil what can be adequately explained by stupidity"

"Especially when it comes to government."
-my addendum

I had a couple government internships in college and have a decent amount of family members who have worked in government. You are really, really overestimating the competency of the guys you're blaming to carry out something like this even if it wanted to.

Pick up a history of the CIA: "Legacy of Ashes," "The Man Who Kept the Secrets," etc. What stands out is not just their covert activities, their funding of rebels, the attempted coups, but how incredibly incompetent they were. They vastly overestimated Soviet economic strength in the 50s, the fall of communism came as a surprise to them, they missed coup after coup in countries we needed, and were often inefficient and unsuccessful in what they did do.

When things go bad, it's nice to fault some other power, but face it, the fault lies with us.

Or as is always useful in a debate like this, to quote South Park:

"But son - don’t you know? It’s always between a giant Douche and a Turd. Nearly every election since the beginning of time has been between some douche and some turd. They’re the only ones who suck up enough to make it that far in politics."

Hey BobbyR, the presidency is always on-the-job training.

Anyway, I like Ron Paul's stance on most all points but why does he come across as somewhat nutty? Why do most of his followers come across as somewhat nutty? I would wager that if Fred Thompson espoused the same principles and policies as RP there would be no problem.

I don't think RP has a snowball's chance in h3ll of getting the nomination and I doubt seriously that I'd vote for him in the primaries if I could--I'm a registered independent. But if by some strange twist of fate he did get the nomination, I'd certainly vote for him over any of the dhimocrat candidates. Surely, it won't come to that!

Thompson/Bolton '08

Well THAT figures. Andrew is a total nut. Like I posted before, this kid was standing in the middle of the Plaza of the Americas, on 9/11 holding a hand-drawn (colored pencils and all) sign stating that "The Bush administration orchestrated 9/11". I approached and debated the kid, with genuine interest as to how anyone could believe such tripe and still, apparently, be admitted to UF. He went on and on about how I should watch this great internet movie, and how thermite was found and blah blah blah. (interesting point: That same book he has in the video, he had with him that day; typical conspiratorial nonsense.)

Anytime you approach these ppl with a thing I like to call "the truth", which is supported with stuff called "facts", they go a little nutty. But this kid, while out there, is kinda indicative of the UF campus. Hare Krishnas come out to serve lunch daily; ppl strum lame, p**ssy-fied music on their guitars, we have Students Against War, the "SDS", and numerous types of hippies, libbies, and moonbats. This kid is just a symptom of a greater epidemic.

If believing that government is best when it governs least is crazy, then I guess I'm insane.

Ron Paul in 08'.

-James

Ron Paul is the new Linden Larouche...not that we needed a new Linden Larouche.

He may look crazy but he does have an unalienable right to free speech and to redress the government for grievances rendered.

Agree or disagree with his opinion has no relevance.

If you don't support his God-given rights - you forfeit yours - and will be tazed for this blog.

Americans are so fed up with the way both political parties are behaving that Paulie probably had (at some point) a fairly decent chance of being the next Ross Perot and making a decent showing for himself.

Some of what he says is right on the money-- of course that is true with all clinically insane people. They make you think they're with it right up until the moment they pull out the butcher knife and start smiling and mumbling about flava beans and chianti.

Paulie's flava bean moment came when decided to align himself with the troofers... man, that was an epic mistake. Imagine that there is some advisor somewhere who thought it would be good for him to agree with those lunatics... geez.

Right up there with starting a land war in Asia...

I have thought, from the moment RonPaul first suggested his battered wife excuse for the muslim attacks on us (Its our fault they hit us. They really love us. If only we behaved correctly, they won't hit us) that RonPaul is in desperate need of serious professional help and maybe some medication.

Allow me to suggest the following, 10mg Xanax, 3mg Risperdal, or 5mg Haldol.

For the followers of RonPaul, I strongly encourage suicide. RonPaul followers please, please, make sure you get your whole head in front of the shotgun.

Wow! Look at how many ronulans were under that rock you kicked, Frank. Good job!

For the followers of RonPaul, I strongly encourage suicide. RonPaul followers please, please, make sure you get your whole head in front of the shotgun.

That's a tad harsh.....but I like it.

To be truthful, I initally thought the kid was a LaRouche supporter, especially when he started spouting off about "secret societies". The LaRouchites have been concentrating on recruiting college kids. Back when I lived in Northern Virginia, the LaRouche World Headquarters Compound was a few miles away and every now and then, LaRouche flyers ended up on my car.

Well, it turns out I was wrong, but say what you want, Taser Boy is an ass clown.

Sabot -

For Ron Paul, I'd suggest Zyprexa 10 mg - they guy could do with some added weight.

I liked what Ron had to say at first, and he is a small-government, tax-reform kind of guy - those are my big issues - but the bloom went off the rose after his roll-out of the "abuse excuse" for September 11 and seeming endorsement of the idea of a "shadowy cabal" pulling the nation's strings. I now consider myself in the Huckabee camp.

>I liked what Ron had to say at first, and he is a small-government, tax-reform kind of guy - those are my big issues - but the bloom went off the rose after his roll-out of the "abuse excuse" for September 11 and seeming endorsement of the idea of a "shadowy cabal" pulling the nation's strings.

Agreed. I WANT to like Ron Paul and I even like many of his foriegn policy ideas. (For example, I think NATO has served its purpose and it is time to wind it up). But the guy shades off into strangess and he has shared a podium with people who believe in "New World Order" conspiracies.

"Agreed. I WANT to like Ron Paul and I even like many of his foriegn policy ideas. (For example, I think NATO has served its purpose and it is time to wind it up). But the guy shades off into strangess and he has shared a podium with people who believe in "New World Order" conspiracies"

And why dont you believe the NWO conspiracy again?
Too crazy to believe? Doesnt fit your rosy worldview?

For crying out loud JFK tried to warn us of this

"Ron Paul does NOT support truthers"

Look, when you corner him on it, he says that - he has said it explicitly - but at the same time when he's around his own supporters, he says "We need to have an another investigation into it" and "I never trust the government" [in regard to stuff like this].

Saying we need another investigation implies you don't believe the last one. It's like saying you don't believe Franklin Delano Roosevelt allowed Pearl Harbor to happen . . . but we need another investigation to determine the real truth!

He also doesn't seem the least bit hesitant about the number of Truthers who are among his supporters and I can't imagine Giuliani, McCain, or Thompson being so blasé if they noticed a bunch of these guys showing up at their campaign stops.

If the alex jones wrapper rubs you the wrong way, here is just the speech

#25 (anonymous)

Ah yes, bring JFK into this. Reminds me of a twoother video I've seen on YouTube, where one of the 'Loose Change' guys (I think; they all blend together, these twoothers) screams that "The same people who killed Kennedy did this (September 11 attacks)."

My immediate thought: 'So... these people believe that Usama bin Laden is possessed by the ghost of Lee Harvey Oswald?'

Makes about as much sense as any JFK or 9/11 conspiracy theory I've heard about.

McCain being so blasé when he noticed a bunch of these guys showing up at his campaign stop.

All the other candidates are covering up scandal after scandal, yet you're entirely focused on villifying Paul because he said that he doesn't believe the government should investigate itself.

Wow. Just wow.

"McCain being so blasé when he noticed a bunch of these guys showing up at his campaign stop."

Tim, do you bother to look at your own links?

It says in the description of this "McCain didn't realize what was on the signs, until after the first picture."

I realize given the reception these guys get, they may not be used to it, but merely having a candidate walk away from you instead of punching you in the face =/= blasé.

(BTW, I got a kick out of the caption these guys put up:

"Great Photo Governor"

McCain was never a governor, he's a senator, and anybody who's been paying the least bit of attention to politics ought to know that.

I might be more inclined to pay attention to the li'l feller, if only he were as forthcoming about his so-called policies as the other candidates are, instead of his supporters acting like carnival barkers for him.

What I dislike the most about him actually has very little to do with the man himself; it's this cult-like following he has that gets really uptight about any criticism about him. The fact that he's not going out of his way to dispel any discrepancies about his beliefs & seems to be basking in his followers adulations tells me that he's in it for the glory.

But who knows? He might be better than Perot, but I just don't think that he's got what it takes to be leader of an entire nation...

Being in charge of a small group of acolytes is hard enough. (Tim & Alexia- Go ahead & look up the term 'acolyte')

"Ron Paul does NOT support truthers"

Look, when you corner him on it, he says that - he has said it explicitly - but at the same time when he's around his own supporters, he says "We need to have an another investigation into it" and "I never trust the government" [in regard to stuff like this].

Saying we need another investigation implies you don't believe the last one. It's like saying you don't believe Franklin Delano Roosevelt allowed Pearl Harbor to happen . . . but we need another investigation to determine the real truth!

Wtf is wrong with asking questions? Believe 9/11 happened as the government advertised or not, any rational thinking adult who has no emotional bias either way and is willing to see all angles of the 9/11 story with an open mind can clearly see that there are literally hundreds of contradictions and unanswered questions, you dont have to be a basement dwelling conspiracy nut to see it. If anything another investigation should be done to reduce government stupidity and prevent another attack. I dont understand why people are against this, or somehow ridicule other people who are inquisitive. Its why the first amendment exists people.

And Alexia, we're not "entirely focused" on vilifying Paul or anyone else; their actions & the actions of their followers do more to paint the picture than we ever could. In fact, the whole focus of this post was originally about Andy Meyer, and your focus group came along to reeducate the rest of us and expound the virtues of Ron Paul. That's why I dubbed you as 'Pauliticians"; you guys are so focused on the man that there's no room for you to see that he's not actually walking on water, and you wouldn't have to either if you'd learn to swim like everyone else.

Ah yes, bring JFK into this. Reminds me of a twoother video I've seen on YouTube, where one of the 'Loose Change' guys (I think; they all blend together, these twoothers) screams that "The same people who killed Kennedy did this (September 11 attacks)."

My immediate thought: 'So... these people believe that Usama bin Laden is possessed by the ghost of Lee Harvey Oswald?'

Makes about as much sense as any JFK or 9/11 conspiracy theory I've heard about.

Uh huh, some 'troofers' are crazy. Many are rational thinking adults who actually read facts and judge things on their own merit, then when things dont add up, they *gasp* speculate and ask questions! OH NO, THOSE CRAZY TROOFERS AND THEIR LOGICAL UNEMOTIONAL BRAIN ACTIVITY..PLEASE DONT MAKE ME QUESTION MY WORLDVIEW.. U MAKE MY HEADBONE HURT!!

Yeah. Rational & logical. That sure sums you guys up.

Right.

You guys are open minded, I'll give you that. So open minded, in fact, that your mental faculties seem to have leaked out a bit. But keep ranting, though; it's providing some real choice comic material, and this IS a humor site, after all.

And in honor of the current holiday, I'll go ahead & cross-post a comment I left elsewhere:

//Avast, ye scurvy dogs! Thar be Twoofers afoot! Steele yer selves with the facts o' the matters & send these sons O' squid back to th' murky depths of the seven conspira-seas!//

"Wtf is wrong with asking questions?" Believe 9/11 happened as the government advertised or not, any rational thinking adult who has no emotional bias either way and is willing to see all angles of the 9/11 story with an open mind can clearly see that there are literally hundreds of contradictions and unanswered questions, you dont have to be a basement dwelling conspiracy nut to see it."

This is getting into another argument - whether there was a conspiracy or not - not whether Ron Paul believes it. I'm happy to get into it -- though it's debatable how far it will go without Frank (and everybody else) going nuts at having to read 150 posts and just deleting everything.

If you say we need another investigation into whether the Holocaust was a hoax, the truth behind Pearl Harbor, the sinking of the Maine - chances are you don't believe the common story on it, no matter how much you protest to the contrary.

As far the 9/11 conspiracy, you need to do better than "but anybody can clearly see contradictions."

OH NO, THOSE CRAZY TROOFERS AND THEIR LOGICAL UNEMOTIONAL BRAIN ACTIVITY..PLEASE DONT MAKE ME QUESTION MY WORLDVIEW.. U MAKE MY HEADBONE HURT!!

Think you have that reversed there, chief. It's their emotions, not their logic, which are guiding the Twoother's opinions. As evidence, I enter the fact that I'm not the one SHOUTING IN ALL CAPS.

It's interesting that the reasons you cite - logic, informed skepticism - are the very reasons that I've rejected what the Twoothers have to say. We have a saying in medical research: "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof." What the Twoothers are pushing are a whole host of extraordinary claims with virtually no proof at all - just a few snippets of evidence here and there which don't support the 9/11 Commission's findings.

Of course, if I were to believe that some evil entity were suppressing the proof, then I'd have all my bases covered, wouldn't I...?

I have a clue!

Hmmmm....

tin-foil hats for the Ronulans + Tazers = Hours of fun.

So if I understand right, the only reason that Republicans are against Ron Paul is because he pointed out the obvious truth that it was caused by blowback from past foriegn policy failures of the Clinton and H.W. Bush Administrations.

Used to be a time when Conservatives despised the UN because they felt that the UN infringed on our national soviergnty. So when we engauge in UN actions, then get hit with terrorist attacks in retaliation, the only person to point out this fact is crazy and not a real conservative?

Talk about some circular thinking!

My thinking is that the rest of the world be damned! Our liberty and prosperity must be first. Thats the entire point of having a government, to defend our liberty, our rights and provide for our national defense. HW Bush allowed for our national defense to be usurped by UN resolutions, Clinton continued this policy, then we get hit on 9/11 and Bush 2 goes wild and attacks a country that had nothing to do with 9/11, and the excuse that he uses to do, was to enforce UN resolutions.

THE UN IS THE PROBLEM. When we try to solve the rest of the worlds problems then the rest of the Worlds problems come home to the USA, and as a result our prosperity and liberty are eroding away. H.W. undermined our security, Clinton was an outright traitor, W. has been, well W. and somehow Ron Paul supporters are the crazy ones for observing what should be absolutely obvious to anyone who is paying attention? Please!

Lets get back to living by the Constitution and our principles instead of trying to solve the problems of the World. We could make a far greater impact on world events by providing the World with a good example, instead of proving that we can kick their ass.

With these terrorists, we are fighting the tar baby, best to get the hell away from them as soon as we can. As Osama said, "We (islamofascists) love death more than you (Americans) love life." He was not kidding! They want us over there killing them. Its a great recruiting tool.

Nameless commenter #33:

--"...Believe 9/11 happened as the government advertised..."--

Okay, saying this is implying that no one besides the "government" witnessed/experienced 9/11-- and that we woke up and the "government" told us a story.

News flash, Tinfoil Timmy: ALL of America SAW the planes fly into the towers! Thousands... hundreds of thousands... saw it live and in person... AND the Pentagon, too.

No missiles... no det cord... no shadowy figures planting tons of explosives. None of that.

That's not "government advertising," it's plain old people seeing things happen with their own eyes.

Honestly, if no one had seen it and the only accounts of it were from "government" sources, then you would have a decent point. But that's not the case and so you have no point at all... except, of course, on your head.

[ Lord, it's really getting quite Paulie in here... I hope that doesn't drag down Frank's property values too much. ]

#41 - Posted by: Johnnyb on September 19, 2007 12:58 PM

So, in a nutshell, totalitarianism's fine as long as it's just imposed on others

I have serious concerns about Fred Thompson when he denies knowlege of the NAU/SPP ( I guess Lou Dobbs must be making it up huh?) or either that he is a liar.

I'm leaning toward the liar theory.

FT = not fit to be dogcatcher, too stupid and slow to hunt as we say up heyah in NH.

Look, WAL made the point pretty clear. You have a group of people who cannot accept that- despite the tangibility of the evidence in almost any given situation- things just are what they are. These people always seem to go by this idea that everything has an alternate "real" story and nothing is what it seems. This is also known as "fantasy".

And once again, we're not explicitly against (there's that word again) Ron Paul per se, but rather we are for someone who is a bit more on the level. I'm not even just talking about Fred Thompson here; several other GOP candidates have, I believe, the skills & experience to be the man in the White House. Sure, the Constitutional stance that Ron Paul exhibits would sound great, if not for the fringe conspiracy theories that surround his platform like a whirlwind of noise.

I'm going to go for a while; The State Fair is going on here & I'm taking my kids to enjoy it. I fully expect to encounter some of Paul's supporters there in one of the exhibit halls, so hopefully later I can entertain you all with what I experience.

I got the impression the kid was Democrat working to improve his party and impress his girlfriend. I understand his switching to Ron Paul for a candidate, afterward. I hope his girlfriend is impressed and will switch, too.

Wow, big surprise people in here that are on the anti-Paul bandwagon actually have no arguments other than attacking his supporters (who he has no control over who supports him).

Yet you have no problem supporting a former lobbyist who has absolutely no positions.

It seems like the crazy ones are the ones that think Fred Thompson's politician character is any more believable than his Law and Order character.

"Wow, big surprise people in here that are on the anti-Paul bandwagon actually have no arguments other than attacking his supporters (who he has no control over who supports him)."

No, we also think he is nuts here - he's sympathic to these positions not just his supporters. If it were just the small government stuff, we'd like the guy.

This whole blog is about the 1st amendment, but I digress.

Actually, I am not a troofer.
I am not asking for a new investigation.
I don't believe there ever will be one.
It is funny to me, that you are trying to create the illusion that Ron Paul is.
I am merely saying that Kerry, Giuliani and Rumsfeld should stop giving them ammo.

Dr. Paul specifically stated on Fox News that he wasn't a troofer. And he is the only one that quotes the 911 commission report as fact.

Trying to condemn him for being interviewed on Alex Jones is no different than trying to condemn him for being on Fox News.

Fox News is owned by Rupert Murdoch and hates Ron Paul because he supports the constitution. This Australian owns 25% of the press in the United States in direct violation of the first amendment.

It is simple:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

1. Crazy or not the kid has the right to ask the question.
2. Ron Paul supports the 911 commission report. ie. blowback
3. Rupert Murdoch has a lot to lose if more than 4 companies own the media.
4. I still struggle to understand why a blogger would not support the first amendment.
5. McCain was blasé when he ran up to a bunch of kids wearing 911 t-shirts asking if they wanted to take a picture with him.
6. The Governor in the movie was holding the camera.
7. I know what acolyte means
8. We the People created a job description, the Constitution.
9. And a limitation, the Bill of Rights.
10. We gave them 18 jobs to do, the Constitution, and don't step over the line, the Bill of Rights.
11. Police have to take an oath to uphold the Constitution
12. When an officer of a Corporation violates his articles of incorporation
13. Article 6, he is no longer acting as an officer of the corporation, and is acting as a sole proprietor.
14. Forfeiting the aggregate protection of the corporation.
15. The officer in question is solely responsible for his crime.

"Trying to condemn him for being interviewed on Alex Jones is no different than trying to condemn him for being on Fox News."

Jones and Fox News are on different planets.

All Alex Jones does is conspiracy stuff (it's been awhile, so I'm not sure if he still does aliens). It's his entire schtick. Anybody who knows about his show knows this and you don't go on and pander to that group unless you want to be associated with them.

Fox News is owned by Rupert Murdoch and hates Ron Paul because he supports the constitution.

The Ron Paul hatred really isn't limited to Fox; in fact I can remember few times when they've even mentioned him. If you read rightwing websites we developed a hatred for him entirely independent of Fox.

For the record, I used to like the guy. If you had asked me at the beginning of this year, I would have said I thought he was a little extreme, but that he's on the right side and it's good to have him in the race. That evaporated. It had nothing to do with Fox-but what I heard the guy spouting off.

Dr. Paul specifically stated on Fox News that he wasn't a troofer.

Which is exactly what I said earlier. I don't believe him. - and even if he isn't, he eggs on those who are.

And he is the only one that quotes the 911 commission report as fact.

Tim, that's just flat out not true.

5. McCain was blasé when he ran up to a bunch of kids wearing 911 t-shirts asking if they wanted to take a picture with him.
6. The Governor in the movie was holding the camera.

Repeating "yes he was!" in response does not make it so.

What Governor?

Crazy or not the kid has the right to ask the question.

Yeah, people were waiting for him to do that. He didn't. If he would have gotten to the point instead of talking on and on, it would have been productive. He doesn't have a right to disrupt other people speaking - he doesn't have the right to cut in line, grab the mic, and prevent other people from asking questions so he can list off talking points. When I show up at event you're hosting and do the same thing to you, you can kick my *** to the curb.

I see the new right (neo-cons) of the "Gay Old Party" are out to attack the Ron Paulers. We'll get in line you little sissies. We Ron Paulers don't bow down in front of anyones jock. We are not 'Fred Heads' or Rudy McRomneys butt-boys. So there will be no fellatio here. No matter how many times you tap your feet or motion at us in public restrooms. We are old right...We are the old school Republicans..And Ron Paul is THE REPUBLIC-MAN!

That kid did not deserve to get what he got. I saw the long version of the tape. They overreacted and used very excessive force. It was not necessary. He was not trespassing but he was not being fair in restraining the length of his question as to be courteous to others who may have wanted to ask a question themselves. I have no love for John Kerry either. He's a phony and a liar just like the guy who beat him.

But Ron Paul does not lie and is the furthest thing from phony. You can walk right up to Ron Paul and ask him anything. And he'll give you a coherent and lucid answer.

Try that with any other candidate in this race. Try it with Rudy McRomney Especially that lying, tax hiking, pro-big government waste, pro-Mexican Immigration pork barrel king from Arkansas Mike Huckabee.

Do you know what nuts is. Nuts is supporting a candidate that is actively working against your liberties and freedoms. Nuts is even considering voting for any member of the Council on Foreign Relations. An organization who express purpose is to unite the world under one centralized government ruled by what they are calling an "elite" class over the masses. This is what they themselves say about themselves.

So why would they be lying?

Or more accurately.

Are they lying about their agenda or are you just STUPID?!

There. Happy now? You assholes screwed around and finally got some real Ron Paul kooks to come over and post. And then, like idiots, a couple people actually posted honest opinions and criticisms. If you're not careful, real dialogue may take place and then they'll all be BACK. And could turn out to be all friendly and intelligent and sympathetic and shit, and where will you be THEN? I tried to warn you but NOOOO. Suckers.

A little advice for the Ronulans, make your comments shorter.
Most people can only take crazy in small doses.

[Seriously; who has the time to read all that crap? -Ed.]

I think we've found our first example of the Kos-sucker model of the Paulbot - Goldie. It called us teh ghey! This is the one area of name-calling the Paulbots had not used thus far.

This is a truly impressive accomplishment. In fact, I'm so impressed by this display of intellectual superiority that I will have the official Ron Paul Brain Improvement surgery and have all areas of the cerebral cortex involving rational thought removed. I'll be spamming polls and trolling websites with lengthy screeds in no time!

I can honestly say that I read almost none of the Ronulans' comments. I'm lazy that way.

I vote that we taser all the Ron Paul supporters and all the NAMBLA members who are part of the "ranks"...

Ugh, the thought that there are actually supporters for an candidate that advocates abolishing the FBI and the CIA at this point in history just gives me the heebie-jeebies...

If Fred wins, what do you think the chances are that the people could convince him to send Ron Paul to Tehran, with a mohammed cartoon stapled to his chest, and drenched in kerosene?

"[Seriously; who has the time to read all that crap? -Ed.]"

Of course you don't since it isn't funny enough.

I've finally realized what seemed so familiar about the Paulbots. They remind me of someone in an H.P. Lovecraft story that's read the Necronomicon or caught a glimpse of a Great Old One and have gone completely batty. Maybe Cthulhu has risen and we just don't know it yet!

Actually this sounds kind of like something from a Star Trek episode:

A Ronulan, while using his disruptor, gets hit with a blast from a taser as the cops klingon to him.

Master Shake....Are you really Larry Craig?

Or are you just acting like it? What kind of handle is "Master Shake" anyway. You are either a professional conga player or you're probably some kind of sick pervert into that sadomasochistic bondage business.

And you think we are the twisted souls? You may need to re-evaluate your positions and ask yourself why you feel that the Constitution is no longer valid?

Because that's exactly what Ron Paul is all about.

We have all kinds of Americans in our camp. We have "the good, the bad and the ugly." We also have all races and all ages. We had more families (young and old alike.) at the Iowa Straw Poll than all of the other candidates combined. We are a family crowd too. Our youth and young adult support is massive. We dominate the demographic over all candidates. We dominate in active duty military contributions over every single Republican candidate. The troops love us. And we love them too.

You better check yourself.You're playing yourself as your own fool...It appears that you don't need to leave your front door to find the closest freak near you.

Now that we have broken down your freaky barrier. You should come out to a rally with us. Next one is in Chicago in a couple of days.

I mean really. Have you ever actually participated in the process. I find it to be fascinating. The truth, the law, the tricks/treachery, the low moments and the triumphs.

When is the last time you stood next to a thousand other fellow Americans that felt the same way you do about this great country. When is th last time you waved the flag, sang the anthem, said a prayer and then cheered until you thought your lungs were going to collapse? All of that standing next to people who love this country as much as you or more. All of them, just like you, proud to be free and willing to die fighting to keep that freedom.

Besides it's so much fun too. We have a blast. Our candidate has an amazing voting record. Ten terms in the House. He always votes the same.

I don't care what neo-cons say. Corporate lobbyist and the act of such lobbying is NOT conservative at all. How can you screw the taxpayer and call it conservative?

You can help us change this nonsense and get back to what this country is all about. Personal liberty and personal freedoms. We have to be tough sure...But we don't have to kick everyones butts to prove it. We don't need to have occupying forces in 130 countries. Especially if it's going to kill the country financially.

The dollar is weak...Wake Up!..There will be an adjustment and it will be severe. We can't handle much more debt. If our Asian friends start dumping dollars then we're done. The value of our currency will collapse. It simple mathematics. You don't have to be a rocket scientist or an economist from the MIT or U-Chicago to understand what is happing to our economy.

Plus we have a the President almost certainly fudging every number and figure he and Richard " THE DICK " Cheney can get their filthy little FreddyMittGuilianis' on. The White House definitely needs a better accountant at the very least. The current one has gone blind.

David Walker is the Director of the Governement Accountability Office (GAO)of the USA. And he'll tell you the same thing about our debt situation. I am not overstating the issue either. If anything I am sugar coating it for you. Get smart or stay ignorant. But don't say nobody told you so.

The incredible story of Master Shake

New theory: The Paulbots are trying to fill up all the disk space on the internet via posts of increasing length and incoherence. However, due to the development of perpendicular recording, hard drive manufacturers will not run into the superparamagnetic limit before the 2008 election.

I still think you are Larry Craig...or perhaps just a Larry Craig enthusiast. You write with a Jeff Gannon sarcasm though. And you have a Mark Sanchez wit about you. But you still come off as a Larry Craig kind of guy anyway. That's just my take on things.

For all I know you could just be some weird Al Yankovich looking character like the "White and Nerdy" guy. Do you have a large collection of Dungeons and Dragons dice? Well do ya partner?!

Do you have a large collection of Dungeons and Dragons dice?

Why? Are your ben wa balls not pointy enough for you?

Is that the best you've got little boy?

Are "ben wa balls" more of that gay business you're into?
Round these parts we keep it simple. We find woman to hook up with. Even Fred Thompson knows that....

The PENIS goes in the VAGINA son....So why are you still so confused about that????......

Gee, I'm sorry. You gave all signs of being a San Fran Kos-sucker, and from your nickname I figured you enjoyed "golden showers" and the like. So, why do you need the dice? If you're trying to learn how to count, the smallest one has four sides - but that's probably a bit advanced until you've mastered one and two....

Geez... these Paulies go from families and prayers at straw polls to Larry Craig and naughty-talk real quick.

Short fuse usually means faulty design...

...or maybe Master Shake was just too ornery for 'em.

Is that more gay stuff?...I don't swing that way buddy.

But seriously let's keep your sex life out of this. If you want to golden shower your ben wa balls that's your business? I'll keep working the old fashioned way. I prefer the man/woman orientation. But it's free country.

Let's get real. What has Fred Thompson ever done that was actually honorable? We are talking real life. I don't care about his life as an actor. Rock Hudson was an actor too ya know.

What has Fred actually ever done for Americans?

We all know what he has done for Pro-Abortion Rights people, corporate interest and other special interest groups as a lobbyist on the hill.

We all know that he defends 'white collar criminals.'

What about how he betrayed the trust of a Senate investigation during The Watergate hearings?

In his own memoirs he admits providing information to Nixon's lawyer even though he had no authority to act for the committee.

Most lawyers be reprimanded and sometimes disbarred for that type betrayal of priviledged information.

Why did he get special treatment?

Who's his daddy?

Who was he wearing his knee pads for?

So what exactly is honorable about any of that?

I prefer the man/woman orientation.

Keep saying that. Maybe someday you'll believe it - no one else does.

Master Shake---Why not answer about Fred Thompson?

Why would you support him at all?

Fred Thompson has never done anything of any substance that I know of. He's not even a real conservative. He's just another neo-con hawk. Why in the world do you believe we need another one of those?

Haven't we already been there and done that?

What is it that you find so attractive about the neo-con agenda?

You know they say that the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting to get different results. I see Fred Thompson as more of the same of what we have been getting....We are already getting screwed over..So why continue on that path of insanity?

So tell me how is Fred Thompson different than George W. Bush as far as policy is concerned?

I love Mike Ditka. But he only won a single Super Bowl as a head coach. I still call him "Da Coach." But I am smart enough to realize that he's certainly not the best coach by a long shot.

So I won't be voting for Ditka to President either.

Good sirs,

Why do you think RP is crazy? His foreign policy? If that's the case I suggest you READ his book, A Foreign Policy of Freedom. It contains many of his speeches to the House regarding foreign policy. In his speeches, he frequently has warned about the consequences of US interventionism. It hasn't worked, and his predictions of retaliation have come true again and again.
Is it his stand on backed currency? He isn't necessarily for silver or gold backing, but that is what the Constitution dictates, until changed.

I don't know all of the facts about this incident, but Ron Paul's supporters are just as diverse as America herself. Among our ranks, we have doctors, lawyers, housewives, carpenters, teachers, nurses, judges, and yes, some overly exuberant college students.

If you would like to debate the issues of this campaign, I'd be happy to show you how rational, sane, and truthful Ron Paul's supporters are first hand. But first it would serve you well to take a course in elementary logic. You know, that system of reasoning thought up by Aristotle all those years ago.

Perhaps then you would question the logic of supporting a Hollywood-Washington insider who's only service to his country has been a short stint as an unremarkable senator and a long stint as a lobbyist and corporate shill for the highest office in the land.

Ron Paul *is* crazy. Who else but Ron Paul would give up his entire government pension. That's nuts, but some people respect him for it.

It is irrational to disparage a candidate because some supporters appear odd. If we were to apply the same criteria to Fred Thompson supporters, we might conclude that there's something dark and sinister about Fred Thompson because Fred Thompson supporters suggest killing Ron Paul. (See comments above and on other blogs.)

I assume that when Fred Thompson supporters and others talk about killing Ron Paul, they are not necessarily homicidal maniacs. If it's irrational to assume that Fred Thompson is dark and sinister because some of his supporters say they want to kill Ron Paul, then it's equally irrational to disparage Ron Paul and his supporters because some supporters appear odd.

Resist the urge to reply with a manifesto and just listen to this and think about it for a minute:

When Ron Paul completey and unequivocally denounces the troofers and conspiracy nuts in his fold, then-- and ONLY then-- will any sane person begin to take him seriously.

That's it.

Devil dog,

Ron Paul unequivocally has stated that blowback contributed to 9/11, and that he disagrees with the 9/11 truth conspiracies. If you want him to *denounce* conspiracy theorists rather than just disagreeing with them, then are you going to demand that Fred Thompson completely and unequivocally denounce the people in his fold who talk about killing Ron Paul (see comments above and on other blogs)? Please judge the candidate by the issues, and please apply the same standards to Fred Thompson supporters that you apply to Ron Paul supporters.

While we think they're extreme, nobody thinks Ron Paul is a conspiracy nut because of his policies. We think he's a conspiracy nut, because he's a conspiracy nut.

"Ron Paul unequivocally has stated that blowback contributed to 9/11, and that he disagrees with the 9/11 truth conspiracies."

1. Guys, please read this thread before bothering to reply, this has already been addressed a few times.

2. Yeah, he's stated it and then calls for new investigations and says he doesn't believe the government in the matter. Now whether you support that or not, that's indicative a guy who does believe this whether he wants to admit it or not.

3. While he has said he doesn't the 9/11 stuff, he's fully on board the North American Union conspiracies.

4. Again, three words: Alex Jones Show

OK, you lost me there. Fred Thompson supporters want to kill Ron Paul, and you really believe this because...?

...

I apologize for our insolence concerning your prophet & all, but just because he gave up his gov't pension doesn't make him a martyr. As for you people "appearing" odd, there's that old saying; If it looks like a duck & quacks like a duck, then it's probably... A DUCK!

I would kinda like to read his book sometime. I'd also like to read 'Dianetics' too, but I don't think I have that kind of time to waste on frivolous nonsense. I again make the correlation between Pauliticians & Scientologists because you share so many of the same characteristics; someone makes a disparaging remark about your leader, and suddenly we have an influx of commenters who are so determined to set us straight and make us better people if we'd just read the damn literature & realize that we've been led astray by our political Xenu! Heh.

Someone else had stated earlier that we should take a course in elementary logic. Sounds like it would be a good idea, not just for us, but for you, too. But let's try this first:

* Do you guys have independent confirmation of the NAU & 9/11 facts you present?
* Does your debate on the alleged evidence have real substance?
* Are you arguing from empirical evidence or are you arguing from Ron Paul as an "authority" on the matters? There aren't authorities when it comes to facts or "the truth".
* Could there be more than one explanation, or did Ron's just sound the best?
* Is it in any way possible that you're overly attached to these hypotheses just because they're yours and/or Rons?
* Can you quantify your arguments, or are you just "sticking to the story"?

I'm sure you've all heard of "Occam's razor" before, right? It's basically this: if there are two hypothesis that explain the data equally well, choose the simpler. Are you doing that or are you just eager to save face by going with the sensationalism the accompanies wild conspiracy theories?

From what I've seen, you guys have an annoying habit of trying to appeal to other people's "ignorance" concerning the facts behind 9/11 and this notion of a NAU, where you act like the absence of real, tangible evidence is obviously evidence of it's absence & therefore the "truth" is being suppressed...

And you accuse us of circular reasoning!
Another thing: When you argue by begging the question, a.k.a. assuming an answer in the way the question is phrased, you're committing logical fallacy. "We know that the coming NAU is real because the suppression of the evidence by everyone who doesn't subscribe to the theory proves it."

Ron Paul's interest in more investigations has nothing to do with your conspiracy theory. I'm not a mindreader, but I would think that Ron Paul wants more investigations in order to educate Americans about the impact of blowback on 9/11. Although the 9/11 report did show that blowback contributed to the attacks, most Americans still don't know how blowback makes us unsafe.

I don't know much about the North American Union, but are you going to attack all the Republicans who are concerned about that issue, or are you just going to attack Ron Paul?

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=52621

"OK, you lost me there. Fred Thompson supporters want to kill Ron Paul, and you really believe this because...?"
AlanABQ

Allan,

Apparently, you're not paying attention. If you scroll above, you will see that I said that I am willing to give Fred Thompson supporters the benefit of the doubt. I don't believe that Fred Thompson supporters are really homicidal maniacs just because they talk about killing Ron Paul. Just scroll above and you can see some of the their statements about killing him. You can see similar statements on other blogs.

It would be nice if Fred Thompson supporters would give Ron Paul supporters the same benefit of the doubt when a few Ron Paul supporters start acting odd.

I don't have time to read all the rest of your comments. I have work to do. Have a good day.

If you are going to claim there are post above about killing Ron Paul here, kindly point them out. The posts are numbered. You don't even have to be able to count that high - just copy and paste the squiggly lines that appear before "Posted by".

You hillbilly neocon Joooooos stop making fun of Ron Paul (pbuh)!

And stop threatening to kill Ron Paul (pbuh)!

Just because I can't find anywhere that you actually did that doesn't mean I'm lying!

You're lying!!!1!!!11!!1!

Or you CFR-loving, NAU-loving, 9/11-conspiring rethuglicans have covered it up!

Just like you covered up the UFO's and JFK!

Besides, I don't have time to prove anything!

I have important work to do!

Those polls aren't going to spam themselves!

Ron Paul (pbuh) will win in 2008 with 500% of the vote!!!!1!!1!!!!!!1!

And you will no longer question the outcome once you've spent some time in our Ron Paul (pbuh) Re-education Happy Fun-time Camps!

Hail Satan!

(and Ron Paul (pbuh)!)

Monkey Faced Liberal

Judas tapdancing Priest - this thread is still alive?

Alive and kicking, apparently!

They're like Michael Meyers...

...or fungus... or something else that keeps coming back no matter what you do.

Personally, I wish Ron Paul would denounce the troofers, admit that America has NOTHING to apologize for re: 9/11, and stop talking about all those conspiracies. Then I might listen to him maybe just a little bit.

freedom, it's not limited to blowback, he's stated he wants a new investigation into whether the government caused 9/11.

As far as whether I'm willing to criticize other Rebuplicans over the NAU, hell yeah! I believe a lot of people are merely being - but Republicans going nuts over some grand plot here are being as foolish as Paul in this area.

Anonymous writer,

I am not aware that Ron Paul wants an investigation into whether the government caused 9/11. I think he just wants to look further into blowback. But hey, I'm just an independent supporter...

I know that Ron Paul is concerned about North American Union, but I don't know much about that topic. If you are upset with all conservatives who are concerned about NAU, not just with Ron Paul, then I give you credit for being consistent.

Have a good day.

Overheard in the basement of Andrew Meyer's mom, where regular meetings take place...

"Don't taste me, bro! Oh what the hell, go ahead."

All these fake 'conservatives' bashing Paul should be exposed as the liberal infiltrators that they are. Paul is the only candidate with a shot at the general election and all you dems promoting Giuliani and 'greater good' Thompson should be ashamed of yourselves..
I don't go to Democratic conventions and hold up 'Edwards 08' signs to interfere with dem nominations, so I'd appreciate it if all you fake, government loving, 'conservatives' would stop trying to sabotage the GOP.
Vote Ron Paul 08 - Win a free country!

[You people are literally insane. -Ed.]

And a free hotdog with every vote!

Master Shake and others,

If you doubt there are loose cannon Fred Heads, try 57 above for starters.

Again, I doubt these folks are homicidal maniacs. Every candidate has a few loose cannons in their fold.

Maybe it's too much to ask you to focus on the issues instead of attacking a few of Ron Paul's supporters who have zero political experience.

#89:
Come on, that hardly counts.
Where does he say kill Ron Paul?

Sounds like Ron is very much alive when he's sent to Tehran with a cartoon of Mohammad stapled to his chest, drenched in kerosene.

Unless you're suggesting islamic extremists are Fredheads.

"I am not aware that Ron Paul wants an investigation into whether the government caused 9/11."

freedom, here's a video of him - It sure as hell doesn't sound to me like he's talking about blowback:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMTyga2NvCc&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fscrewloosechange%2Eblogspot%2Ecom%2Fsearch%2Flabel%2FRon%2520Paul

"All these fake 'conservatives' bashing Paul should be exposed as the liberal infiltrators that they are."

Are you aware of the difference between a libertarian and a conservative? Ron Paul is. I have a lot of sympathies with libertarianism, but before you go gun-ho supporting of him in the name of conservativism, you ought to make sure you're clear on that.

Bob in Feenicks,

That's funny.

Seriously, I am sure that Hillary and her friends are glad that some Republicans focus on ad hominem attacks on other Republicans rather than the issues.

BTW, if Goldie's still around -

since when did Libertarians become homophobic?

Not that there's anything wrong with homosexuality, but out of all the people to be engaging in gay bashing, it's pretty odd coming from your side.

(P.S. Yes, Master Shake, I realize you're not gay)

Anonymous poster,

I watched the video. I don't see anything in the video that would indicate that Ron Paul suspects a cover-up of an inside job. If anything, he seems to be imply that the government might cover up its own incompetence. He mentions the information that the FBI tried to pass on about the terrorist who just wanted to steer the airplane, not land it. Ronald Reagan believed that government was incompetent. Look at the video again, and see whether you think that Ron Paul's points fit in nicely with Reagan's view of government and with Fredhead AlanABQ #77 above.

By the way, I still think that Ron Paul might like to educate Americans about blowback through another 9/11 investigation, but maybe that's just my own projection.

freedom, it's possible. I disagree - but yeah you're right, it's possible.

I thought I had more video of him stating that more bluntly, but I checked and I can't find that - so, them's the breaks. Still "I don't know exactly what happened" is different than "I don't believe there was a conspiracy" and when he says "I think it's mostly a cover-up" . . . I guess it's possible to read this in the best possible light - but we're voting for the President of the United States here. I don't want to vote and just assume the best on this aspect.

OH NO! Invisible sock puppets conversing! At least one of you read my comment #77. Read it again, anon & try to understand what I was attempting to get across to you guys; there is a process, in just about everything you do, that can be evaluated on it's merits, or lack thereof. Did you try to apply that process to your beliefs? Are you willing to try?

I ask, not to disparage you, but to get you to really think about what you're doing. There's a big part of me at the moment that is really starting to question your motives for this almost holy reverence that you seem to have for R. Paul. It just seems so over the top. I wonder if you really support him as much as you claim, or if this is indeed is an elaborate ruse.

I was reading a couple of questions that someone had put to Paul supporters, and the first one was "Who would you vote for if R. Paul doesn't get nominated?" Most of the responders said that they would write in Paul regardless, or vote for Obama or some obscure GOP candidate that has no realistic chance of winning, or just not vote at all!

As I said in an earlier comment, it's looking more & more like a way to confuse the issues and divide the Republican voting base so deeply that a Democrat candidate would win the election by a landslide. It's almost like a type of gerrymandering.

Given Paul's less-than-popular status, WHY would you want to do that to your own party? Unless I'm right about your real motives...

Hah! Now I'm starting to sound like some kind of reverse Truther.

Seriously, I am sure that Hillary and her friends are glad that some Republicans focus on ad hominem attacks on other Republicans rather than the issues. #93 - Posted by: Freedom on September 20, 2007 07:34 PM

I'm sorry, did you just call me black, Mr. Pot?

Signed,
Mr. Kettle

Whoa, that's good crazy /johnny carson voice

Master Shake gets my vote for best "put down" on the thread
just copy and paste the squiggly lines that appear before "Posted by".
That's darn funny. I'm stealing it.

AlanABQ,

Don't get paranoid. Ron Paul supporters are just excited about issues. That's all.

If Ron Paul loses, I probably will go back to voting libertarian. If the Republican tent is big enough, you can bring small-L libertarians like me inside, but this isn't the way to do it. Do what you need to do with your shrinking base.

Mr. Kettle a.k.a. Bob in Feenicks,

You are a hoot.

Well, as a little "l" libertarian, I would just like to say that big "L" Libertarians scare me.
If there were fewer Dr. Ron Pauls and Lyndon Larouches and more Neil Boortzes, I would probably vote Libertarian. As it is, I'm just not pure enough.
I think America needs a military and I don't think the free market could produce a police force without them becoming private armies for rich people. Sorry.

Veeshir,

Some libertarians (included) would like to bring the military home to protect our own borders rather than policing the world. I've never heard of, and would never vote for, anyone who would advocate abolishing the military.

Neil Boortz and Bill Clinton both have called themselves libertarian. That and $.50 will buy you a cup of coffee.

Wikipedia says that Lyndon Larouche is a former socialist who has run in eight elections since 1976, once as a U.S. Labor Party candidate and seven times as a candidate for the Democratic Party nomination. Definitely not libertarian.

Have a good day.

For God's sake - kill this thread! Kill it dead!

Ron Paul dans les '08! Parce qu'il est le candidat le plus très petit avec les testicules les plus très petits, donnez ainsi une pause au petit gars.