And the milky loads vote swings to Ron Paul.

Maybe Andy will give ol'Ron a ride....

I wonder what will happen to these people when they realize how much money they wasted supporting Ron Paul when he loses horribly?

The econonmy is not doing great.
Just ask any middle class or lower class family.
The economy does "great" when you borrow and print the money. My personal finances would be awesome if i could counterfit at will.
Do me a favor.
Il check back here in a bit. I want you to find me specifics about Ron Pauls message that is "crazy". Please do that.

Also, even if Ron Paul loses, he wins. He has made more people aware of the serious issues and the root of these issues that face America.
People arent voting for Ron Paul, it is his message. When will that sink through?

It's not wasted money, ya idjits. Real issues have been introduced into this election. Deal with it. Fuckwits.

Shit, your obvious hero Fred Thompson seems all but dead in the water. That has to bother you a bit huh?

If the economy is so great how come Fred isn't raising much money? Oh wait. I forgot how much Fred Thompson sucks there for a second. Fred isn't raising any money because Fred sucks.

["FACT: Ron Paul beats bears." -Ed.]

I'm trying to figure out whether Ron Paul ran out of there for fear of the Ecoweenies or if he was fearful that Fox News might be lurking somewhere nearby looking for a body.

Good times.

Pleefer,(if that is your real name) if this money isn't wasted, then why'd they spend it on a guy with supporters with such a strong mastery of profane and scatological rhetoric?

Pleefer and Dwight, remember meds first, THEN post.

TPMalone:
hmm... pretty sure that I'm lower middle class, at best, and I've never been doing better

If the economy were really doing well, I think Fred's 'stop the hand shows' donation drive would have taken in a little more. Not that the quarter million or so he got is chicken feed, but Ron has him beat 20:1.
Anyway, only one of these candidates is going to be president. That means 80+% of all donations are wasted (by your logic). But for some reason I don't expect you to sneer at the Fredheads for their faithful support of Thompson...

Haha... you're ridiculing Ron Paul supporters for "wasting" their money when you have a site setup to promote Fred Thompson of all people??

Now that is funny.

Is he even still in the race? I thought he fell asleep about 3 debates ago and hasn't woken up yet.

Don't see what the big excitement is with Fred. This blog seems to admire Fred in an odd way over-the-top homosexual manner. IMAO=weirdos.

I just want to know if when Ron Paul restores the Constitution will it have that new Constitution smell?

JoeL, what are your thoughts on Ron Paul worship?

You think that even if Ron Paul is defeated in the election, that we are going to just magically un-organize? I think not. All that is going to do is PISS US OFF. Anger is a gift, it helps you focus and it fuels determination. You think that us "Paulites" are going to just lay down after the election? Boy o boy are you in for a big surprise. I suspect that a lot of people who are in politics are going to retire because politics just ain't gonna be fun for them anymore, as we are going to hammer them daily. You think Code-Pink is a pain in the ass? Wait till we lose the election. Best $2300 I EVER spent~
WAKE UP IDIOT.

[If? -Ed]

My question is if this was another one of the Ron Paul pledge-a-thons or an actually fundraiser. Previous 'record-setting' fundraising days for Ron Paul have turned out (to my understanding) to consist of a lot more 'pledges' to donate a certain dollar amount than an actual donation on the spot. If Ron Paul actually had all this money, wouldn't there be, you know, actually tv spots, newspaper ads, ect... for him? The only thing I've seen is that stupid 'Dr No' website ad.

8 years ago my wife stayed at home we had money to burn. Now my wife works too. We struggle to get by month to month. Fortunately we dont have car payments, we have always paid cash for used cars. Staple groceries are 2-3 times what they were 8 years ago. Gas has doubled. Yeah, I can get a DVD player for $20 now. But I cant eat it. You can say whatever lie you want, but there isnt a lie that can cover up the reality of tough times. Why do you think top financial guru Harry Schultz is telling people to sell US Dollars and buy the Euro, Swiss Franc, Aust Dollar, Canadian Dollar. Recession is here and depression may come. Buy gold if you are fortunate enough to be able to invest now.

AmericanCitizen: uh-oh you just admitted the impossible is somehow possible. By suggesting that Ron Paul (pbuh) could lose the nomination, you risk excommunication, possibly your very life just to warn us of your impending insane rampage?
I'm touched.

This is the dumbest political blog I've ever visited.

Reagan Democrat, if we don't ever hear from you again, are we to assume you ate the computer you used to post this?
Yep, times are tough all over even the poor are driven online to post their plight.

Anonymous coward who said "This is the dumbest political blog I've ever visited."
It's sad too that it wasn't that way before you showed up.

#16 - Posted by: AmericanCitizen on December 17, 2007 05:02 PM

So.. what you are saying is that you'll be a constant target of jokes? I'm not sure what you think Code Pink has accomplished, because from what I can tell, all they've managed to do is discredit protest as a valuable tool of the citizenry.

The fact don't understand that Fred Thompson actually has a chance in the Republican Primary, unlike Ron Paul, is a testament to how delusional you are. So you know, good luck with that.

Say what you want. It doesnt change the facts. I have just enough cash to buy a new alternator for my truck and buy gas for the week. Tonite I make my weekly trip to p/u day old bread to give to the poor. It could be just my area, but there are more families to feed every week. You may not be old enough to understand what happened to the peso. They peso had good value. Then they made so many pesos that they just about destroyed their middle class. I am gone so make more of your funny jokes.

As a Ron Paul supporter, I think we were doing just fine without the Andrew Sullivan endorsement. What the hell, it's a free country and I doubt anyone is going to turn away from RP because of it.

I don't know about you all but I sure don't want Ron Paul to get the WhiteHouse. I would have to go out and buy myself a gun and learn how to shoot terroists. With His views we wouldn't be fighting them over seas, we will be fighting them in the streets of our hometown. Do you really want that, obviously you ronulans do, I don't!! But then again while I was shooting the terroists, who knows my aim may be way off(sigh)I might end up shooting Ronulans. I sure hope Fred Thompson gets the nomination, then I won't have to worry about my aim!!

#24 - Posted by: Reagan Democrat on December 17, 2007 05:30 PM

Things you also barely have enough money for:
A Truck
The Internet
The TV (I'm guessing)
Teh Ron Paul (Maybe Huckabee?)
Warm House
Bread for poor people

Wait just a minute, it's a free country? Right now? I thought that was why RP was running, to give us our liberty back!

People are going to turn away from RP when they find out he doesn't need to run after all.

Of course he won't have to run. His band of misfits just gave him 6 million to retire on!!!

Vote for Paul/Kucinich: uniting the illegal and space alien vote.

#16 - Posted by: AmericanCitizen on December 17, 2007 05:02 PM

Comparing your brand of insanity to another insane group (code pink?), as a benchmark of impending insanity, is why Ron Paul supporters are laughed at with scorn and derision.

Beautiful.

Oh, well, - you still have the Blimp!

Maytag:
Do you mean the terrorists from countries that have no army navy or military? That's what will keep you up at night.
You will never use your gun on terrorists on our own soil.
Iraq was never a threat, and we are there. Iran is not a threat, and we are trying to go there.
The more we are over there, the more people hate us, therefore, the more apt we are to be attacked.
all other candidates are not taking anything off the table, including preemptive war. Preemptive war is an invention of Hitler. They may be a threat. So on a smaller scale, if i feel my neighbor down the street is a threat because he bought a gun. I can shoot him first and be justified?
Leave them alone, support our troops by bringing them back, defend out borders at home, let countries sort out there own issues.
If you feel strongly about defending the borders of other countries, get your ass on the next flight out there. Don't sit in a blog room and bitch and send other people's sons and daughters off.
Get some balls.
D-Rock:
I still do not see the list of "crazy" Ron Paul ideas. Get some.

Ah, yes the blimp: Ron Paul von Hindenburg, avoiding foreign entanglements by being above it all.

It is a sad time when you are deemed crazy by just wanting to follow the Constitution.
"Time will convert more people than reason."

It really sticks the knife in where it hurts when someone visits and tells us this is a dumb website...since this is one of the blogs I visit daily I think I'm going to go curl up into a ball and have a good ole fashion cry...I'll be back later when I feel better about myself!

At least that's what a sissy-man homosexual Romulan would do...

The more we are over there, the more people hate us, therefore, the more apt we are to be attacked.

And the more Ronulans come here, the more we poke fun at them.
Maybe the Ronulans should practice what they preach.

I am beyond irritated by the overused line that Iraq was not threatening us. Those bastards shot at US Jets every day during operation southern watch. We were enforcing a U(seless)N mandate by monitoring the NFZ. When the iraqis fired on those jets, they were committing an act of war. We just waited years to actually do something about it. So like usual, the US waited years before taking action and doing the right thing. And like usual, the bedwetters and the sally other countries are indignant about us doing the right thing.

Since when is it our job to enforce UN resolutions? The UN should go F itself, and if Ron Paul is elected they just might have to.

Anyway I liked it a lot better when Saddam was lobbing a couple rockets at our jets every week (did any ever come within a mile of hitting?), as opposed to today when Iraqis are shooting at and blowing up our troops every day.

Preemptive war is an invention of Hitler.

This is some seriously stupid shit. The fact that it was notable among the fifteen or so lines of idiocy that surrounded it makes it even more special.

If only the French or British had invented it a few months earlier, that whole fiasco known as World War 2 might have been prevented.

Preemptive war is an invention of Hitler

Godwin's Law is a bit of a technicality, but it's interesting how Ron Paul supporters fly past it like a condor over a cockroach.

I was reading this post thinking...Look at these fools, they are all Republicans (as am I) and they cant stop bickering.

Okay, so Ron Paul raised a lot of money to promote conservative views...Why are we not all cheering him? I think you all know, because we are on the verge self-destructing just as the Dem's did in the 60's and 70's when the south finally had enough of the hippies. The weakening of the party by a loss of consensus about what we stand for.

In their own way the Neo-Cons are just as divisive. They have taken on that tone that the hippies had "If you disagree with us your an evil baby killer". I am very concerned about where this will take us.

What part of the economy going to heck do you not understand? It is not just the Iraq war that is bankrupting us, trashing the dollar, and denying you your Social Security pension but it is also the Bernanke Fed policies which ARE leading to double digit inflation and an economic crash that will make the great depression look like a cake walk. Ron Paul is the only candidate who understands this. The Constitution is a good thing. Please believe in the Constitution and the people who support it and a strong dollar. My donation to Ron Paul was the best money I ever spent because it will save not only my family but yours too.

For post #38... Bro... when a sovereign nation commits an act of war.. you need to act... (are you following) when you don't... you merely allow further erosion of your own power. In a world where evil dictators only understand action and force, you must not allow an erosion of power. We protect our interests overseas... the byproduct is freedom of navigation and trade for all. If we fail to do this, a slow collapse of worldwide trade will begin as tinhorns carve out their own "protectorates" The slow decline of the free world will follow. Thanks for being an accomplice to that...

I think the reason Ron Paul supporters are so annoying is that they are both ignorant and loud at the same time.

Ryan Frank -- heya there fella! Interested in making that "pledge" theory of yours interesting? FEC filings are just a few weeks away, so it wouldn't be a long wait. Loser donates the max to the winners fav candidate!

Maytag -- wow, you really captured in one blurb my entire impression of the Republican left-wing. Buddy, just stay that poor helpless fish at the bottom of the barrel. Maybe the govt. should ban those guns so the terrorists don't git ya! The government banning guns from pilots and assuming responsibility for protection did so well for the poor passengers on 9-11, I'm sure they'll keep you cozy and safe in the future as well with that shiny new Homeland (Fatherland?) Security beaurocracy.

New Federal Programs Always Fix Things.

hahahahaha

Right crazyguy, the free world is in decline -- not because of the below-replacement birthrates, not because of massive immigration by third world peasants from unfree cultures, not because we've thrown out the moral and cultural values that made us great and free -- but because some tinpot dictator wasn't sufficiently punished for his stupid invasion of a oil-rich nation that had never attacked him. Riiight.

Ryan, as I understand it, the RP campaign numbers have been, more than those of any other campaign, based on real confirmed donations (typically credit card), and *not* on pledges. Like they say, money talks and bullshit walks.

EXACTLY! One less thing... at least we can do something right. Waaay to change the debate though... sure sign of someone losing the argument.

Also, can't wait to go back over there and be a part of it again. I am currently in between deployment cycles. We are doing good over there and slowly building an alliance with two future powers. Soon we won't have to police the middle east as much. Sure soon means 10-15 years... but dammit in the long run it will be more than worth it. Well that is if we can build a fence and actually protect our own country in the process....

"What part of the economy going to heck do you not understand?"

The part about the +20 consecutive quarters of economic growth

Yes WAL, but based on Ron Paul's understanding of economics, it doesn't count, because the value of our fiat money is more significantly based on evil, foreign, black gold, instead of the shiny, jingly kind of gold.

Maybe if Ron Paul supported sending all of the illegals to Greenland, to labor in WoW-style gold mines, I might be able to "hop on board" the "Dirigible of Liberty!"

I just had to read the comments to see if with all the new money Ron Paul could hire some better trolls to bother this blog. Nope. Still just fucking idiots.

How do people too poor to buy food pledge $6 million to Ron Paul?

crazyjetguy,
What do you fly?

I... have an idea.

From now on, when there is a PaulBot, I'll not bother to argue. Debating them is like beating up a retarded kid, easy, fun at first, but gets boring after the 100th time. Instead, I'll only say this:

"Shame, Shame, Shame, Shame, Shame on you stoopid Paulbot Troll, Shame for spending all your free time looking for mentions of your Savior, and then making your candidate look even more insane then he is"

I think it's great when Ron Paul raises lots of money.

First, that means the loonies have less money to buy fertilizer. It also helps the economy as they dig up their stash of gold bullion to raise the funds. Buried treasure just isn't good for an economy -- especially when the Vikings are too busy sitting in Norway enjoying their oil wealth.

Second, this gives us a nice list of who to throw into the camps once we run out of not dead terrorists in Iraq to unfairly imprison. That will give President Hillary a nice steady supply of food to appease her hungry demonic masters. Demons really like the crunchiness of granola eating libertarians and smelly stench of isolationists.

soooo... if preemptive war was invented by Hitler, then please explain to me how empires long before he was even born expanded. I'm talking since the beginning of time. Like the great Sumerian Empire, or the one all the crazy hippies like to use-Rome.

'Preemptive war is an invention of Hitler.'

This is some seriously stupid shit. The fact that it was notable among the fifteen or so lines of idiocy that surrounded it makes it even more special.

It's part of a quote from Dwight Eisenhower (albeit with the verb tense mangled; Eisenhower said 'preemptive war *was* an invention of Hitler').

please explain to me how empires long before he was even born expanded

I believe the claim would be that in ancient times it was pretty much assumed that you would invade and conquer your neighbors without much pretext. After the Treaty of Westphalia and the birth of the modern nation-state, more of a rationale was required. The claim in this (which as I said is a quote from Eisenhower) is that the notion that you could justify an invasion by claiming that you were trying to preempt an attack originates with Hitler. It wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if Eisenhower was all wet on the Hitler thing, but I agree with him on the advisability of preemptive war even if he's wrong about the pedigree.

I fly hornets in the Navy. Still active duty, so I will refrain from mentioning any more so I can continue to be snide towards certain types.

Aww how cute. The Ronulans think anyone cares what they say. I'm really looking forward to his appearance on Glenn Beck tomorrow. That's going to be an hour full of crazy goodness.

I don't give a two-fisted ham sandwich about who's going to be the next president (as long as it's Fred) but I am dancing with glee about the historic low approval rating of our current D-controlled Congress. That is where I intend to focus my house-cleaning energy come November. Incidentally, isn't there a Representative from Texas who's part of this uber-bad Congress?

All kidding aside, I wouldn't be upset if Ron Paul should run for Senator and continue serving in a capacity where he can't invite disaster upon the whole country (would that violate his strict Constitutionalist principles? I dunno--read the 17th Amendment). His foreign policy makes him UNFIT for the offices of Commander in Chief and Head of State.

Oh BTW, Libertarianism is fatally flawed; it simply cannot reconcile its principles with the fundamental reality of human nature. I'm sure you're all nice people, but you're horribly misguided. "Live and let live" doesn't fly when you have the moral imperative and the providential means to stand and fight for truth, justice, and freedom--which moral imperative we Americans are rapidly abdicating to our realtivistic secularist culture. If God ultimately forsakes our nation (and I pray He never does) Libertarians will be the first to have buyer's remorse and the last to accept responsibility for their part. A free market (the most unproven presumption in all Libertarian thought) is not responsible for our success; God alone merits our thanks for His sustaining grace upon our nation.

Thanks, crazy! Retired H-3 here.

M,
"if preemptive war was invented by Hitler, then please explain to me how empires long before he was even born expanded"

Duh - That's easy!!! Reincarnation!!!

I'm not in a position to look this up right now, so feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure some of Rome's wars with Carthage were preemptive.

WAL- if I remember correctly, the 2nd one was started by Hannibal, because his father taught him to hate the Romans, and Carthage was beaten so bad that the 3rd one was more for sport than to pre-empt any real threat. But it's been 20 years since I took that history class, so don't quote me.

Dr. Feelgood- I agree that libertarianism is fatally flawed, because so many of its precepts are too amoral (or too naive) to implement in a population greater than 2-3 people. Even if you limit our moral imperative as Americans to just "survival," libertarians are too shortsighted to succeed.

The third was what I was thinking of (when Cato saw it was becoming powerful again and went around saying it had to be destroyed).

Yeah - it was probably more for sport at that point, but I say that counts.

Someone asked earlier about Pauls donations being pledges.

The figure reported on the Ron Paul web site is processed credit card recipts. As in funds in the bank, none of them are pledges.

Hey, all the Roninites have come out to bash IMAO again!

I love the fark.com headline for the news on Ron Paul raising the money: "Ron Paul raises $6 million on Sunday, thus enabling him to move his eventual concession speech from the parking lot of a Hackensack office building to a Chuck E. Cheese down the street."

Hmm, maybe Roninite isn't a good name for the Ron Paul people. Sounds too much like Ronin. Frank J is right to call them Ronulans. As untrustworthy and crazy as the Romulans.

I'll go on record right now to say, there isn't ANYONE right now that I can get all fired up about. No repubs, no dems, no friggin joy in mudville. Mayhap I'm at the point where I wonder who will fuck things up the least?

I think what we really need is to change how things are done. Set term limits, when they're up, take the person out for a nice lunch. Give them a gold watch, and then horse whip the crooked son-of-a-bitch. As for illegals, build a big ass wall, (berlin wall+great wall of china), then shoot anyone trying to get over. Shoot anyone trying to STOP you from shooting the people trying to get over. Then shoot anyone who are; a fucking hippie, gang banger, or hollyweird putz, drug dealer/user.

Then tell the world if they don't get their shit straight, they WILL be next. No fucking around, anyone who becomes a threat, becomes a parking lot. I'm tired of the dicking around, risking our guys for people who will piss on us the first chance they get. Fuck it. Shoot first, figure out whats going on at a later date.
(I'm kinda grumpy this early in the morning...)

Sorry I'm late. Did I miss anything?

K T Cat -- not much, just nobody reminding TPMalone about how the Rold Gold Standard is a bad call. Do we really want to bring back a William Jennings Bryant candidate to run against Ron Paul?

I thought Frank's other thread about "how despondent will you be if you get your 2nd choice" was more interesting. . . of course, he was referring to himself and Fred, but it raises a point about what makes this a nasty primary.

Wow Frank, the new Ronulan bait works big-time! Do you have any new naked hot-chick bait I can borrow??

Michael R. - I happen to work in Hackensack, and we have some damn fine parking lots here. In fact, RP should choose the municipal lot across from my office- there's a crackhouse down the block, which should tie in nicely to any comments he might make about drug legalization, being a libertarian and all.

#71 - Posted by: Ed on December 18, 2007 05:22 AM

I'm with you. I'll pull my shotty out from under the bed. You bring the bricks to build the wall.

Someone else change the statue of liberty to say "Bring It, Bitches."

WRT #60: Actually, Hitler just cribbed it from Frederick the Great, who marched in 1756 on the pretext that the Austrians were going to attack Prussia to reclaim Silesia, which he stole fair and square in 1740.

Someone else change the statue of liberty to say "Bring It, Bitches."

#76 - Posted by: MJ on December 18, 2007 12:23 PM

Amen brother! It's long past due.

Amen brother! It's long past due.
#78 - Posted by: Ed on December 18, 2007 08:23 PM

That would be "Amen sister!" thank you very much.
LOL.

I believe the claim would be that in ancient times it was pretty much assumed that you would invade and conquer your neighbors without much pretext. After the Treaty of Westphalia and the birth of the modern nation-state, more of a rationale was required. The claim in this (which as I said is a quote from Eisenhower) is that the notion that you could justify an invasion by claiming that you were trying to preempt an attack originates with Hitler. It wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if Eisenhower was all wet on the Hitler thing, but I agree with him on the advisability of preemptive war even if he's wrong about the pedigree.

There are several examples throughout history of a building danger being used as justification of preemptive war. Even if the claim is based on the idea of a modern state, it's wrong. As was mentioned in post #77, Hitler didn't even invent this idea in his own country. And frankly the rest of the comment that brought this subject up didn't seem like it was based on a detailed analysis of history. It was just an opportunity to throw Hitler's name into a conversation to try to taint whatever he's arguing against.

#79 - Posted by: MJ on December 19, 2007 09:21 AM
LOL, sorry, "Amen SISTER!"

kerry won the democrat nomination while polling at 4%. scary, huh?

then again the real candidates would have to come down with a severe case of byaaaah-itis.

I'm a libertarian thou I recognize the need for the previously unfinished war in Iraq. Given the times we now we live in it does not concern me what we are thought of by foreign nations or tribal entities, what does concern me is that either that those foreign governments or tribal entities have no ill intent to us or more preferably be former foreign governments and tribal entities who do are not any longer capable of expressing any ill intent or any intent at all.