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December 24, 2007
Ron Paul: Crank Isolationist or Just Plain Crank?
So Ron Paul not only wants to immediately pull troops out of Iraq, he wants to remove troops from every single foreign country such as Germany and Japan. He also wants to remove them from Hawaii just to be on the safe side. Apparently Ron Paul also has a big bone to pick with President Lincoln and spent time on Meet the Press denouncing him. Ron Paul sure knows how to pick his battles. He really is cranktastic; I expect after this is all over he'll live in shack in the middle of the woods with a bunch of canned food and muttering to himself. Probably the woods in Canada, because Ron Paul sure hates America (have you even seen a liberal denounce America and its actions this much?). So what do you think Ron Paul will spend all his campaign millions on? I'm guessing gold and then his people will try to form their own country on a platform floating in the Gulf of Mexico. 123 Responses To "Ron Paul: Crank Isolationist or Just Plain Crank?"
I'm guessing that he won't spend his millions; he'll leave them in his will to some group of wackos. Perhaps the Objectivist society, although they're probably too mainstream for him. #1 - Posted by: Silicon Valley Jim on December 24, 2007 12:55 PMRon Paul received contributions from over 100,000 different people this quarter. He received $18,000,000 from those 100,000 people. His support is wide and deep. Look around your town and notice you see RP signs everywhere. Grab a cup of coffee and go to http://freeme.tv [What is he using the money on? -Ed.] #2 - Posted by: Mayberry on December 24, 2007 12:58 PM"Apparently Ron Paul also has a big bone to pick with President Lincoln and spent time on Meet the Press denouncing him. Ron Paul sure knows how to pick his battles." He didnt pick this subject. Russert asked the questions,however stupid they were. Paul will win and live in the big White House when this is over. [The big one, you hear! Sorry, people there aren't enough cranks for Ron Paul to win a national primary, let alone a general election. -Ed.] #3 - Posted by: Mike Moore on December 24, 2007 01:09 PMI was looking around at the various Ron Paul posts today, and it seems they've taken a real turn for the vitriolic. Is it fatigue? Frustration? Fear? I really can't make it out. Your post is just a bunch of hate spewing nonsense. Perhaps you need a little more sleep. #4 - Posted by: John on December 24, 2007 01:09 PMTry, try, try to smear to no avail. You Sir, need to understand that your propagana falls on deaf ears. Only the neoconservatives you represent would believe such garbage. So alas, smear away. People won't forget who was and wasn't for freedom. [You wierdos are going to get distracted by something shiny real soon and forget everything. -Ed.] #5 - Posted by: Nunya Business on December 24, 2007 01:14 PMWho's Ron Paul? #6 - Posted by: WAL on December 24, 2007 01:17 PMWait till we start "spamming" the voting booths. [Okay, Skippy. We'll be looking for that surprise come next year. What evidence will it take for you people to admit you're a bunch of isolated cranks, though? -Ed.] #7 - Posted by: up yours on December 24, 2007 01:21 PMYeah, that Civil War and freeing the slaves was a huge mistake, just like Paul said. Wait, now I understand why Paul has so much support from the white supremacists, he only thinks white people should be able to enjoy freedom. I can't believe it took me that long to discover it. I guess the next step will be to call for making black people 3/5ths of a person again. #8 - Posted by: tomsmi on December 24, 2007 01:23 PMI'd move there. Seriously that would be an awesome way to live. Think about it: With the funds from Stormfront and other white supremacist organizations, Ron Paul bought a new zeppelin. However, he's decided to burn the rest of the so-called "money" -- after all, it isn't gold so it's unconstitutional. #10 - Posted by: Exurban Jon on December 24, 2007 01:28 PMWhoa, troll season started already? I need to take a shot. Lol! You poor people think he is going to win? Seriously, there is no need to smear Ron Paul. He is so crazy, all we have to do is quote him! #11 - Posted by: Rubeus on December 24, 2007 01:29 PMJohn, IMAO has been mocking Ron Paul and his worshipers for months. Nobody that isn't a Ronulan seriously believes he has a chance of being elected. #12 - Posted by: James on December 24, 2007 01:31 PMstandard hate article, the guy should read more ... and think sometimes. It helps. #13 - Posted by: observe on December 24, 2007 01:31 PMtomsmi, That would explain his views on Iraq. #14 - Posted by: exhelodrvr on December 24, 2007 01:36 PM#5 - Posted by: Nunya Business on December 24, 2007 01:14 PM I'm a libertarian and I believe such garbage. Though, I'm not sure why we are calling verifiable truth garbage. #15 - Posted by: AR on December 24, 2007 01:39 PMHa! I love that we pay the Federal Reserve, a private corporation, interest on money they create out of thin air. I mean, why question why a private corporation, whose ownership is unknown, controls the world's reserve currency? And I'm so excited about a future governed by the U.N.!! Wait 'til we can use our National I.D. to cross checkpoints! When the response to a different idea is to call someone names, one has to wonder what the name-caller is afraid of. Change? Thinking? Loss of control? I encourage you to take courage, take heart, and put aside fears. Look at ideas carefully. Then either ignore them or address them honestly and directly. There is a sequence of books by Chalmers Johnson, starting with Blowback, that shows why troops should not be deployed worldwide. A good casual book is Empire of Debt by Bonner and Wiggin. America's Secret War from Stratfor provides detailed information on why certain things don't work. There are other books by ex-CIA on the issue. There are works on naval deployment the support the notion of bringing troops home. To various degrees and in various ways, these point to the same thing. Bring the troops home from Germany and Japan and around the world. Take heart! #17 - Posted by: Thomas on December 24, 2007 01:43 PMI get a kick out of these freedom hating constitution mocking idiots who write these articles. You seem so desparate! This past weekend I saw I am Legend. At one point in the movie after trying different vaccines and many different cures, Will Smith cracks and just starts banging his keyboard, he's on the verge of a nervous breakdown. He's tried everything to find a cure, and nothing he can do can solve the fact that he's surrounded by a bunch of infected zombies who will converge on anyone who hasn't joined them and been infected. No matter how many he kills, there are more. No matter what vaccines he tries - they don't work. Eventually, he just wanders off, muttering to himself "just fishing in the dark, son, just fishing in the dark . . ." It was at that point, two thirds of the way into the movie, that I realized it totally captured how it felt to deal with a bunch of Ron Paul trolls on a daily basis. #19 - Posted by: WAL on December 24, 2007 01:54 PMYou read a post like this and wonder if the author has picked up more than a 4th grade history book. Read the 16th President's 1st Inaugural Address and the only reason he gave for invasion of the South. Top that with every other nation in the Western Hemisphere removed slavery peacefully. Dr. Paul wasn't advocating slavery, he was pointing out a historical fact. It could have been done without 600,000 dead As for removing the troops from everywhere else, you don't put too much credence into the policies of the Framers do you? Washington's Farewell Address, Adams in 1821, do you really want a list of those that were at the beginning who advocated the same as Dr. Paul? I'm sort of glad to be in the company of those 'cranks'. Oh I do forget myself don't I? 9/11, 9/11, 9/11, 9/11, boogeymen coming to get us, changed everything..they said the same about the communists too you know...just another of the medieval Crusades destined to fail eventually. Top prop up convoluted borders from a peace treaty in 1918. #20 - Posted by: William on December 24, 2007 01:55 PM#17 - Why take heart when you can rage and blame others? This isn't too different from trying to help an injured and cornered animal. Just wait until after the election; they'll all (privately) be glad that Paul won when this insane world calms down and peace, prosperity and individual freedom returns. #21 - Posted by: RM on December 24, 2007 01:59 PM"His support is wide and deep. Look around your town and notice you see RP signs everywhere." I've seen one homemade (spray paint and a white sheet) banner hanging from a highway overpass, and I think it was gone the next time I drove by. I've also seen one RP bumper sticker on some college student's beat-up POS. Wherever this "wide and deep" support is, it ain't here.* In fact, if it wasn't for IMAO and LGF, I'd have no idea who Ron Paul is, or what he's running for. *I'm in a small eastern state with the highest population density in the US, and I drive in excess of 90 miles/day to and from work. #22 - Posted by: McBain on December 24, 2007 02:00 PMHey Ed and/or Frank J, [Sure. How much will I win and who pays? Can I have his $16 million since he won't put it to any good use? -Ed.] #23 - Posted by: andy on December 24, 2007 02:10 PMIf after 20 years of being in Congress Russert has to go all the way back to the Civil war to ask Ron "a tough question"... that's pretty sad. Honestly the only subject which he was able to twist the knife was on earmarks and even that was explained reasonably, you may not agree but he answered directly. The notion a politician operates on motives greater then the next poll is something to be sceptical of and I think Russert did well to show his. It may just not apply to Ron, which is why I like the guy. If Tim has to go back to 1988 and reference disgruntled employees from the mid 1990's. America has just been Dondero'd. Carry on chuckleheads. #25 - Posted by: Derek on December 24, 2007 02:32 PMAnother attention seeking blog using Ron Paul's name to get traffic and as usual another vacuaus non-article. I'm growing tired of these smug and lazy news bloggers. Let's examine the article above. Is it Helpful? Informative? Newsworthy? Interesting? Witty? Truthful? If you've got nothing to say, please consider treating yourself a big cup of STFU. #26 - Posted by: William Budd on December 24, 2007 02:35 PMi question the validity of these Ron Paul supporters. I know for a fact that on a slow day, I amuse myself by making comments on unrelated newspaper articles pretending support for Ron Paul. #27 - Posted by: snarky on December 24, 2007 02:41 PMIsolationism? I'm really getting sick of all this stuff. What are you really tired of, Frank? Getting harassed by RP supporters, or RP himself? Projecting your hatred of a bunch of unruly supporters onto their candidate won't solve much except pissing people off, but I guess that's probably your true aim in the matter. Oh well. It is the internet, after all. Anyway, I'm an RP supporter. I don't care much to get all riled up and call people who post this sort of thing idiots, because I figure they're just frustrated and trying to take things out on my more zealous brethren. I agree with the pulling troops out of everywhere for one good reason: What the hell have all those douchebags done for us? Everything I ever hear from people overseas is dumb Americans jokes. Anything we do, the 'international community' whines and bitches about how either a. America hasn't done anything about it, or b. America did the wrong thing. Always. Every. Single. Time. Why should half a trillion dollars of OUR MONEY go to supporting and defending people out there who don't give a damn about us, when that money could be over here helping our people, which we really goddamn need. Why should our soldiers be over there defending them when they should be over here defending us? And we're going deeper and deeper into debt with China to keep it all going. It can't last. It's time we faced up to that. Trade and friendship with everyone, entangling alliances with none. If some global boogeyman shows up on the horizon, let congress declare war and take care of it. But no more occupation. We can't afford it anymore. #28 - Posted by: Randy on December 24, 2007 02:45 PMYou don't get it- Ron Pauls ideas are far above your IQ.... He could change the world for the better... #29 - Posted by: paul revere ii on December 24, 2007 02:46 PMAs a former Bush supporter and believer in the "War On Turrur" I have to say that Frank J. is quite the naive twit. Still suckling away at Bush's wang and supporting his failed policies to the bitter end. Zelous neo-cons such as Frank J. are so unwavering in their support of this failed foreign policy that they cannot see past the fact that their hero, Dubya, has left our borders WIDE open, even under the threat of "imminent" terrorist attacks. If boogey-man terrorists are TRULY planning more attacks, why would Bush leave the borders wide-open and allow frisking old-ladies at the airport? Why would he refuse to pardon the border patrol agents who were arrested for shooting at an illegal immigrant smuggling drugs into the country? Suck it up fellas. This war was wrong. It's been used by politicians to fear-monger the public into handing over more of their freedoms under the guise of security. The "War on Terror" is almost as real as the "War on Frank J's Scrotum" #30 - Posted by: Bob on December 24, 2007 02:52 PMRandy, Easy - provided a not-on-U.S.-soil location for the battle. The fact that Ron P can't see that is probably the main reason why he is not gaining more support. And you and yours can't see that, which explains the tone of the posts that you dislike so much. #31 - Posted by: exhelodrvr on December 24, 2007 03:10 PMRon Paul is gaining ground, despite a concerted effort to smear and discredit him by the mainstream media. The reason: People are sick-and-tired of the same-old song-and-dance by the politicians. They want fresh ideas, honesty, and integrity. There's a new music video on YouTube that's a great satire on the president, the mainstream media, and the war on terror. It's from the international award-winning zombie musical feature film, "Song of the Dead," and features horror movie veteran Reggie Bannister (Bubba Ho-tep, Wishmaster) as the president of the U.S. The filmmaker, Chip Gubera, is giving a share of his profits from the sale of DVDs to the Ron Paul campaign. To see it, go to: Since there are so many Paulestinian dead-enders still visiting... "Wer ist Ron Paul?" http://exurbanleague.com/2007/12/24/ron-paul-revulsion.aspx #33 - Posted by: Exurban Jon on December 24, 2007 03:22 PM#26 - Posted by: William Budd No thanks, we quite enjoy making you waste your time by clicking on Ron Paul articles that have no real content in them. If you got nothing better to do then click to page 50 on Google looking for Ron Paul articles to troll, we're happy to help you waste your time even more. Frank: One of these days, you should just post an article with the title "Ron Paul sucks" followed by the article containing nothing more than a period. See how many Paulistinians whine about how "you're making money off our loserness" or "stop posting Paul articles with nothing to say or else Paul will use the constitution on you!" Seriously, do that. It would be funny. #34 - Posted by: Joel on December 24, 2007 03:25 PMLife, you fail it. #35 - Posted by: Anonymous on December 24, 2007 03:28 PMEx, I don't mean to be rude, but that's a /ridiculous/ argument for a trillion freaking dollars A YEAR to go toward that. You can't declare war on a strategy. If you really think that Al Qaeda can ACTUALLY do any more significant damage to us, you've bought into things a bit too much. 9/11 was a fluke, and it was the extent of their abilities combined with our own ignorance. Sneaking box-cutters on to a few planes. While the conditions were optimal for them to get maximum impact, it's not worth starting World War III over and bankrupting this country. Al Qaeda's nothing but a bunch of hateful pipsqueaks that got lucky, and if some Islamo-fascist-whatever nation rose up to challenge us, we'd pound their asses in to the dirt. They can't touch us if we stop weakening ourselves with this wild goose chase. Best solution for Al Qaeda? Ignore'em. Learn the lessons they've taught us, invest in alternative fuels and leave that dust bowl behind. #36 - Posted by: Randy on December 24, 2007 03:29 PM//Another attention seeking blog using Ron Paul's name to get traffic and as usual another vacuaus non-article. I'm growing tired of these smug and lazy news bloggers.// And yet you keep falling for it, ya moron. Oh, and Bob- you don't have to keep making references to male genitalia; you're here, you're queer, we're used to it. BTW, Ron Paul is not- I repeat not- going to get nominated... not now, not in 2012, not ever. I have looked around & seen a couple of Ronburgler stickers on a couple of cars here in ABQ at the store. When I asked them to their faces why they believe such tripe from such a insignificant little twerp like Ron Paul, they seemed to be caught off guard & had to really concentrate on a response, as though they didn't know how to react without their script with them. Just to help you Paultards out, you can always keep a text file on your phones. That way, you can have all your pre-masticated "truths" right there & not seem quite so stupid when someone asks you "Why you are so stupid?" #37 - Posted by: AlanABQ on December 24, 2007 03:33 PMAnd yes, "Why you are so stupid?" is supposed to be phrased like that. Haven't you ever seen those 'Hot Pockets' commercials? #38 - Posted by: AlanABQ on December 24, 2007 03:38 PMRandy, Ignoring threats? The stupidest idea yet. Take a look back at history and see how successful that strategy has typically been. By the way, by ignoring threats, do you include the attacks on U.S. embassies, or would you also pull back all of those personnel, too? #39 - Posted by: exhelodrvr on December 24, 2007 03:40 PMHere's a good idea, if not a little vindictive: We ought to get a list going of all the major websites & blogs that support Robble Robble Ron Paul. If necessary, we'll register where needed. After the Republican nominations pass without Ron Small getting a second thought, we can all go visit the aforementioned sites & leave comments on what a bunch of pathetic losers they all turned out to be, which will be news to no one but them. #40 - Posted by: AlanABQ on December 24, 2007 03:50 PMWow, nice astroturf you've got here Frank. #41 - Posted by: zdomain on December 24, 2007 03:52 PMSigh. Come on Frank, don't pull a Bush. No. Seriously. GWB gets so set on his particular course of action that he refuses to admit when he's made a mistake or change course when necessary and when it's good for the country. He's forgotten who he's working for. Now, because you got on the FT bandwagon early on (I was, too, btw), you seem to think that you've got to stick with it to the end. You don't have to, though. I realize that Dr. Paul's positions seem extreme, but that's only because we haven't seen them for a while. He's the only honest politician out there. He believes in the things we were founded on and wants to bring us back there (and cut it out with the slave jokes and suffrage jokes people). I know he's unlikely to win. Even if he did somehow get the nomination, the Dem's would pull all the Rep's that want to maintain the status quo into their camp and defeat him handily. Frankly, I'd rather see Hillary or Obama get in before I'll vote the lesser of two evils again. #42 - Posted by: knight_308 on December 24, 2007 03:53 PMWho is Ron Paul? #43 - Posted by: Koh Choon Lin on December 24, 2007 03:56 PM#23 - Posted by: andy on December 24, 2007 02:10 PM Can I get in on this bet? #44 - Posted by: AR on December 24, 2007 03:58 PMI'm tired of the same old BS from politicians. I'm voting for Ron Paul. He hates America? You're retarded. Only a true American Patriot will vote Ron Paul in 2008. This is the taking back of America. FOR THE PEOPLE, BY THE PEOPLE. #45 - Posted by: Caldera on December 24, 2007 04:00 PM"He's the only honest politician out there." HA! Ha ha ha ha ha!! Ha ha ha ha ha hee hee hee!!! LOL!!! ROTFLMFAO!!! Now that was funny! #46 - Posted by: AlanABQ on December 24, 2007 04:00 PMHey Paulbots: When all said & done in the future, and Ron Paul isn't the president, can we still be friends? You guys make for some lively posts. #47 - Posted by: AlanABQ on December 24, 2007 04:07 PMEx, it depends on if you really consider a minority of religious fundamentalists worth the sort of attention and effort we're giving them. And regardless of that, I think we should have been attacking Al Qaeda all along, not Iraq. Blindly invading random middle eastern countries is skyrocketing our debt. Either do it right, or don't do it at all. And we should defend our embassies like we defend this country, as we have been, but invading Iraq has nothing to do with that. Declaring war on a religion is pretty out there because only a minuscule portion of their members are actually terrorists. Al Qaeda's the enemy, not the religion they claim to be defending. Attacking countries who we /claim/ support them isn't doing us any good. And I still haven't heard about how we're going to pay for the new crusade. #48 - Posted by: Randy on December 24, 2007 04:12 PM"And I still haven't heard about how we're going to pay for the new crusade." Well, I guess if Ru Paul wants to help out, he's gonna have some campaign money left over... #49 - Posted by: AlanABQ on December 24, 2007 04:23 PMHey, congratulations, Frank! You graduated to "Zelous neo-con" status!! I'm not sure what that is, but it sounds pretty impressive! All of these Paul-istinians remind me of the old saying: "If you don't believe in something, then you'll believe anything." That is the best explanation of why so many "disenfranchised" people are rallying around Dr. Crazy-Bones. All of the intrigue and conspiracy-laced rhetoric... it's very attractive to someone with no moral or spiritual foundation. Anyway... merry Christmas to everyone (yes, even the liberals and Paul-istinian wackos)!
Vote for Ron Paul. Because Kucinich isn't crazy enough. #51 - Posted by: Igor R. on December 24, 2007 04:37 PMSo, paulbots just come out of the woodwork huh? In my town it is the same loser that puts up ALL the RP crap. I have a feeling these posts are 2-3 people acting as many. No reasonable people can honestly accept his isolationist views. If you are unreasonable and should you chose to debate I will make you lose your cool and look like an even bigger idiot. "Bring it on" #52 - Posted by: crazyjetguy on December 24, 2007 04:46 PMAnd yes, I have made Feminists and liberals blubber like idiots when they realized how wrong they were... paulbots should be easy pickens. Faux intellectuals indeed, mostly still in college believing whatever their professors tell them. Almost as if they were edicts passed from on high. Shame that high point is an ivory tower quite separated from the real world and its trials and tribulations. #53 - Posted by: crazyjetguy on December 24, 2007 04:49 PMVote for Ron Paul. Because if we don't threaten anybody of course nobody will ever threaten us. Isn't that how things work? Or at least that's how they should work. Doesn't really matter, we need to turn inward and that's final. Because Ron Paul likes it that way. #54 - Posted by: Igor R. on December 24, 2007 05:22 PMRon Paul needs to come clean about his Ukrainian connection. And why is this not being investigated under the Foreign Agents Registration Act? Dr. Paul needs to also explain why he refuses to break his ties with Holocaust Deniers and White Supremacists groups. Where is all of this money really coming from? You can not convince me that millions of Middle Americans adore this awkward, bumbling misfit enough to empty out their wallets and purses for him. These large amounts of money are coming from a more sinister source. Something just doesn’t smell right. The truth will come out one day that the internet is being used to funnel money to certain political candidates so that election laws can be bypassed. And elections can be manipulated. Its my belief that the beta test for this technique started with the Howard Dean campaign in 2004. And it has been brought forward. Ron Paul is helping keep the GOP Presidential campaign off balance, out of focus and off message. Who could possibly want that to happen? No advice for RP or his Ukrainian mobsters. #55 - Posted by: Darvin Dowdy on December 24, 2007 05:31 PMIt would be non-interventionism. Not isolationism. The United States has never been an isolationist. #56 - Posted by: Adam Loos on December 24, 2007 05:37 PMI support Ron Paul.... #57 - Posted by: on December 24, 2007 05:46 PMAs I read these comments as well as the original article I am saddened by how child like the reasoning is for the greater part of the Ron Paul Detractors. The quest to be right at all costs so as to never re-evaluate when new data appears is truly juvenile. It is a truism that things attained without effort or hardship are not recognized for their true value. I would say this about a great deal of American citizens. They were given the chance to live in the Great Nation of America without any test. As a result they truly do not understand what was given to them nor the actual price paid. I Fear Fools The Most. I Vote For Virtue; I Vote For Ron Paul !!! #58 - Posted by: Brad on December 24, 2007 05:52 PM First of all, voting more than once is illegal, second of all virtue isn't running in this election. #59 - Posted by: AR on December 24, 2007 06:09 PM#59 - Posted by: AR on December 24, 2007 06:09 PM "So Ron Paul not only wants to immediately pull troops out of Iraq, he wants to remove troops from every single foreign country such as Germany and Japan. " I'm so glad you gave me examples of foreign countries.....being an ignorant Ron Paul supporter I didn't know Germany and Japan were foreign countries. "He also wants to remove them from Hawaii just to be on the safe side." Since you are already exagerating, might as well include Puerto Rico, The U.S. Virgin Island, Guam, and the Aleutians..... "Apparently Ron Paul also has a big bone to pick with President Lincoln and spent time on Meet the Press denouncing him." He spent his time on Meet The Press answering the host's questions. He denounced the decision to go to war and kill 600,000 americans, burn the South, and create a culture of fear and resentment that lasts today. "Ron Paul sure knows how to pick his battles. He really is cranktastic; I expect after this is all over he'll live in shack in the middle of the woods with a bunch of canned food and muttering to himself." He doesn't pick battles, he stands his grounds and takes on whatever comes his way - no backpedaling here. And by the way, there are no woods around the White House. "Probably the woods in Canada, because Ron Paul sure hates America (have you even seen a liberal denounce America and its actions this much?)." Hate America? When has he said so? Never. In your OPINION he does, but you have yet back it up . He hates the neo-cons that have taken control of the Republican party and are leading our nation to implode. Siclair Lewis was right saying, "when fascism comes to this country, it will be wrapped in the flag, carrying a cross." Dr. Paul is astute enough to recognize this.
"First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win." -- Mahatma Gandhi I'd say you are up to the ridicule stage. Vote Ron Paul [Congratulation! You're the millionth Ronulan to use that quote! And, I tell them all, I also make fun of chimps but that doesn't mean I believe the Planet of the Apes could become a reality. -Ed.] #61 - Posted by: Marcelo D. Muñoz on December 24, 2007 06:17 PMI vote for virtual Ron Paul. The real one is too scary. #62 - Posted by: Igor R. on December 24, 2007 06:18 PMSurprised Russert didn't ask RP about the proto-neocon! Thomas Jefferson who shreded the constitution to buy the Louisiana purchase. #63 - Posted by: billhedrick on December 24, 2007 06:23 PM RP preaches ISOLATIONISM, just like the fools before WWII. (For the record I don't care if that is considered liberal or conservative. Protecting our allies and interests overseas is the right thing to do.) Non-interventionism is the same garbage dressed up in a different (not even better) name. Let's just say I can write a book about how wrong that is, so maybe I will. Sorry to attack this thread for my own personal opinions, but the Ronulans are so wrong on the overseas issue that i just have to say something. Also ronulans, any chance of some new quotes? David Koresh and James Jones were ridiculed too... #65 - Posted by: crazyjetguy on December 24, 2007 06:29 PMAll Empires eventually fall... We started crumbling quite some time ago. How can our country be safe when the majority of our military is in other countries? While the countries they're stationed in are getting pissed off and sick of seeing troops from somewhere else trying to impose their will. How about we send an officer to your house just to make sure your raising your family "right?" I'm sure it would piss you off. #66 - Posted by: Dave on December 24, 2007 06:32 PM"First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win." -- Mahatma Gandhi I'd say you are up to the ridicule stage. Vote Ron Paul Oh how creative, I've never heard a PaulBot use THAT quote before. Jeeze, you guys just gush with original thought, you really seem like you have a mind of your own and use it actively to make decisions. #67 - Posted by: AR on December 24, 2007 06:32 PMToo bad for Ron Paul supporters that he is stuck on the ridicule stage. #68 - Posted by: James on December 24, 2007 06:37 PMWhite punks on dope. #68, stuck on stupid comes to mind. #66, so the way to solve this problem is to pre-emptively declare the empire over and betray all the countries who depend on us. good plan. #70 - Posted by: billhedrick on December 24, 2007 06:56 PMHe spent his time on Meet The Press answering the host's questions. He denounced the decision to go to war and kill 600,000 americans, burn the South, and create a culture of fear and resentment that lasts today. The cool thing about Ron Paul supporters is they understand we are fools to be afraid of Al Qaeda and recognize the true threat that is Abraham Lincoln. #71 - Posted by: WAL on December 24, 2007 07:26 PMHave you not read Leviticus 2:24? "And there will be a strong man among you that knows what he is doing and all will ignore him. And they do so at their peril". SO IT WAS WRITTEN AND SO SHALL IT BE DONE! Oops, that was Yul Brennen's line. Well, we should ask the ronulans if they can part the Red Sea. And BUY GOLD! Were the U.S. to return to the "gold standard", gold would be worth about $100,000,000 an ounce! I'll pull out my fillings for that! #72 - Posted by: Fiftycal on December 24, 2007 07:44 PM"First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then you make ridiculous statements trying to defend yourself from the ridicule, then they ridicule you some more you." Ron Paul, 2007 #73 - Posted by: exhelodrvr on December 24, 2007 08:12 PM"See, something else to ridicule me about." " If boogey-man terrorists are TRULY planning more attacks, why would Bush leave the borders wide-open and allow frisking old-ladies at the airport? Why would he refuse to pardon the border patrol agents who were arrested for shooting at an illegal immigrant smuggling drugs into the country?" Ah yes, as Bush controls every aspect of our country. If something happens in our country, it's because Bush willed it. If airport security frisks an old lady, it's because Bush willed it. If a bridge collapses, it's because Bush made it so. Seriously guys, wasn't the whole point of having a constitution that the president WOULDN'T be responsible for everything? Also, why do you Ronulans keep coming back to this site? Is it because your forum master told you to? #75 - Posted by: Pantera on December 24, 2007 08:51 PMI like how Ronulans keep saying "Dr. Paul", as if RP's career as a gynecologist somehow qualifies him for the White House in a unique way. Now, if we were a -proctologist- ... #76 - Posted by: r2streu on December 24, 2007 09:18 PMr2streu, Are you sure that they're not saying "Dr. Phil"? #77 - Posted by: exhelodrvr on December 24, 2007 09:27 PMI believe in following our Constitution, I believe in Liberty and Freedom, and I believe in Ron Paul as President for America. He will be using his enormous amount of donations to carry him through to the election in November 2008. http://RonPaul2008.com #78 - Posted by: Tess101 on December 24, 2007 10:14 PMTess101, how much of those donations does Ron intend to spend on combatting the flying pig attack that will occur on that day? Also does he plan to invest in ski lifts for hell? #79 - Posted by: crazyjetguy on December 24, 2007 10:26 PMWho doesn't have a bone to pick with Lincoln? He was arresting editors of newspapers for printing articles he didn't like and suspended Habeas Corpus. Hardly anybody knows anything about Lincoln, they just think he feed the slaves, and have absolutely no idea what Booth was talking about when he declared "death to tyrants". Lincoln WAS a tryant. So much for quality public education. Anybody that has spent anytime reading history outside of a public school history class realizes they never spent any time in a history class in public school. You are not taught history there. For example, do any of you know of the 1953 overthrow of the Iranian Democracy and how it led to the formation of Al Qaeda, and WHY the Iranian Democracy was overthrown? No?! What a surprise, but Paul brought it up during a debate. #80 - Posted by: Richard Wick on December 24, 2007 10:37 PMFor example, do any of you know of the 1953 overthrow of the Iranian Democracy and how it led to the formation of Al Qaeda, and WHY the Iranian Democracy was overthrown? Yeah - that's only the 5,000th time somebody's brought it up in one of these threads. Not coincidentally, it's also the 5000th time somebody's brought it up without any reference to the Cold War, which was the whole point of us overthrowing the prime minister (we didn't overthrow an entire government, we helped toss out a prime minister who was becoming more sympathetic to communism, not one of America's high points but there is a distinction between the two). In another remarkable coincidence, it's also the 5,000th time this is brought up with no mention made of the fact the Shah was allowed to dismiss the prime minister under Iranian law at the time, but which the guy refused to go along with. But there's no need to argue about the obvious fact that, if we hadn't done it, and communists started getting ahold of the world's oil, the position of demoracy, freedom, and the United States would have clearly been much better now that the USSR controlled it all. Hardly anybody knows anything about Lincoln, they just think he feed the slaves, and have absolutely no idea what Booth was talking about when he declared "death to tyrants". Sure, he was quoting Virgina's state motto and he was also attacking tyranny while overlooking a bunch of people in bondage. Look, I'm from the South, I'm a libertarian (at least a lower case one), I have more than enough sympathy for state's rights and even the argument that states were able to separate back then, and you can criticize Lincoln for actions during that war, you can also criticize Wilson, you can also criticize Roosevelt, but I disagree with anybody who argues this: slavery was not going away (the records that people use to state this were being fudged to avoid taxes). There was one way it was going to die - if it could have been done peacefully, awesome, but where it was done peacefully it was done in places where the institution barely existed or it was done in name only. There's a lot of bad blood that persisted from the Civil War and the way it was fought, but it also meant avoiding violent uprisings in order to end slavery (that tore apart many countries, leaving them basket cases to this day and leaving no one around who was capable of running the place and even gave a pretense to democracy) as well as leaving the United States in a position to fend off the Soviet Union and other threats from later conquering the planet. #81 - Posted by: WAL on December 24, 2007 11:40 PMHe was a tyrant for feeding the slaves ?! #82 - Posted by: Strnj1 on December 24, 2007 11:42 PMtypo: Virginia #83 - Posted by: WAL on December 24, 2007 11:46 PMTotal number of: Paulbearers total: 12 Total: * This thought was a recipe. Ron Paul is certainly starting to generate momentum! #84 - Posted by: Rubeus on December 25, 2007 12:20 AMGood Ggod, it had taken me 20 minutes to scroll down the comment page using my phone until I accidentally pushed the "back" button and decided that I wasn't going to wait another 20 minutes. Who the hell do these little shits think they are? Every one of their doctoral-thesis-length comments contained the words "constitution," "neocon," "non-interventionism," or "Ron Paul". In fact, they were usually uttered like a tick of someone with Tourettes ("ZIONIST NEOCON LIBERTY RON PAUL!"). And just where do these little droves of liberals/libertarians-born-again-"true conservatives" get off calling us "neocons"? By definition, they're the ones who are neocons, not us. I guess they magically became the "true conservatives" when Ron Paul declared his candidacy. Or they just put down the cannabis. But to answer your question, Frank, Ron Paul's money will probably go to the PLO, Hamas, Fatah, and other such terrorist organizations since he hates Israel and Zionists so much and opposes victory in Iraq. Whoops my bad, they’re “freedom fighters.” They want the freedom to stone gays, put women in burqas, cut the clitoris off women, kill Christians and Jews, etc. You know, the run-of-the-mill stuff our Founding Fathers fought for. (Oh and Frank, if you ever want want me to guest blog as the "Resident Ron Paul Supporter Angerer", shoot me an e-mail) #85 - Posted by: Sir Andrew on December 25, 2007 12:27 AMI'm telling you, Sir A, they're like cult clones. They have a text window open with all the things they're supposed to say on a spreadsheet. Makes sense, too since they have to man the keyboards 24/7, usually in 16-18 hour shifts between low nutrition gruel meals & indoctrination sessions. I hear one of them has a fantastic collection of leader beans... #86 - Posted by: AlanABQ on December 25, 2007 12:41 AMI know, Alan, I know... Staring at their bright computer screen in the darkness of their mother's basement can't be good for their sight... #87 - Posted by: Sir Andrew on December 25, 2007 01:29 AMSiclair Lewis was right saying, "when fascism comes to this country, it will be wrapped in the flag, carrying a cross." Dr. Paul is astute enough to recognize this. Then thank God we have Ron Paul, who will come wrapped in the Constitution, backed up by the swastika. #88 - Posted by: Bob in Feenicks on December 25, 2007 02:47 AMRon Paul = fork in the road to serfdom. #75 - Posted by: Pantera on December 24, 2007 08:51 PM
IT'S THE ECONOMY STUPID!!!!! One day, and this is what this thread turns to, hm? So much for rational discourse. It's funny, this place is /exactly/ like Wonkette. Not one single difference. I suppose hate brings some people together. #92 - Posted by: Randy on December 25, 2007 09:26 AMThats all right Frank J. I realize its pretty hard for a shut-in neocon shill like you to think outside the box or appreciate someone like Ron Paul who can. Or to hear the ring of truth through your jaded wart-filled ear. Go ahead, vote for your scripted War mongering hypocrite. Watching the rest of the Republican candidates is like watching the keystone kops. They run around wildly, bumpinginto each other and serve no other purpose than to amuse the masses. The sad thing is that there are people like you who take them as serious candidates and will vote for them. But then they voted for a silly fool like George W. Bush so what can you expect? Hamas was democratically elected. I'm so happy we are spreading democracy around the world. Hopefully, when we finally leave Iraq, they will vote for Sharia Law; or maybe just a terrorist party. I'm sure glad we got that pesky secularist Saddam out of the way so that a middle east Islamic nation can vote our enemies to be in charge of Iraq's oil. I love the smell of democracy in the morning. #94 - Posted by: rhys on December 25, 2007 11:40 AMYou Ron Paul supports must be writing from the same script or something. #95 - Posted by: Sir Andrew on December 25, 2007 11:55 AMSir Andrew We are, its called "The Constitution" #96 - Posted by: Scott on December 25, 2007 12:50 PMI think the RP candidacy is great. It finally gives the rest of the country some insight into the Bizarro World I've inhabited for the last decade. You see, I live in the TX 14th Congressional District represented by Dr. Paul. A district where casting a congressional vote in support of the president's GWOT policies involves voting for the Dem candidate. Which I've done for at least the last three elections. Now that his flakiness is exposed to the country we'll hopefully see the Republicans get behind a sensible candidate and blow this doofus away in the primary next year. I can't wait. #97 - Posted by: mhowell on December 25, 2007 01:43 PM#96 You have a typo in your post. It should read, 'its called "The Institution"' #98 - Posted by: Robert on December 25, 2007 02:08 PMHmm... I wonder if you you or any of the inside-the-box-comments could make the same arguments without polemics, pejoratives, platitudes, and distortions? #99 - Posted by: Greg on December 25, 2007 04:22 PMI think I missed the part of the Constitution that quotes Gandhi. #100 - Posted by: Bob in Feenicks on December 25, 2007 04:31 PMRon Paul is trying to save America yet he is derided as being someone who hates America. Thomas Jefferson wouldn't stand a chance if he were running for President in '08. #101 - Posted by: Sum1 on December 25, 2007 04:37 PMThis web site is pure crap. The only spammers here are anti-paul spammers sponsored by this web site. I know this because ONE OF THEM IS MY ROOMMATE!!! He shouldn't live with a freedom-loving Paul supporter. By the way, Ron Paul isn't running for president... the CONSTITUTION is running for president. Ron Paul is just the Constitution's representative. #102 - Posted by: on December 25, 2007 05:34 PM"the CONSTITUTION is running for president." ummm no. only humans born in this country are eligible to run for president, pieces of paper, no matter how hallowed are not eligible to be president. #103 - Posted by: billhedrick on December 25, 2007 06:42 PMThe only spammers here are anti-paul spammers sponsored by this web site. That's an original smear. Who knew I could get paid for this when I'm perfectly willing to make fun of you guys for free? Fraaank, I know you carry a lot of weight with the Free Masons, but as this website's personal representative of the Illuminati, I want in on this. IMAO is a highly sponsored anti-Paul money-making machine and we will not tolerate skimming off the top . . . unless you bribe me . . . (P.S. you can track IP Addresses on this site, find out who the son of a bitch is who snitched) #104 - Posted by: WAL on December 25, 2007 07:12 PMCrank? LOL Sad that so many have been so dumbed down and cant see past their noses. Paul may not win, but has inspired a movement which is long overdue and more powerful than most of you anticonstitutionalists can imagine. Wow, taking Marching orders from the Constitution is a kooky idea huh? Getting rid of the privately owned and operated Federal reserve is also bad, right? Our manetary system is on the verge of collapse and some of you wnat to keep diiging in deeper? No I think thats a real Kookie idea indeed, cosidering our dollar has lost more than 96% of its value in less than 100 years. Also Paul has not initiated any personal attacks on any other candidates at all. Unlike most of you who believe taht name calling will deter those who are not as small minded to see past that and look at the issues and look for real solutions and drastic change, not more of the same. So sad that so much of America is so stupid. Whats even worse is that they want to stay that way. I hope fully there are enough left with minds that actually think for themselves. #105 - Posted by: Ray on December 25, 2007 10:54 PMRay, Ron Paul has a reasonable domestic agenda, it's his desire to withdraw from the rest of the world, especially Middle East that gives most of his detractors a reason to question him. Why are you arguing about the least controversial part of his agenda? #106 - Posted by: Igor R. on December 25, 2007 11:46 PMThis site uses a fred08.com cookie. Sorry Fred, you fail. #107 - Posted by: Dave on December 25, 2007 11:57 PMIgor R, Because that was their marching orders. #108 - Posted by: exhelodrvr on December 26, 2007 12:24 AMexhelodrvr, that's what I suspected. I hope one of his supported has the decency to admit it. But this is not their only typical deceptive behavior. To all Ron Paul supporters: are you proud of yourselves? People in your camp will spam any online Paul to increase your apparent numerical advantage on the order of 10 to 1. Is this what decent people do? Why do you do it? Why is it so important for you to win by deception? You leader has peculiar beliefs, but he seems honest about voicing them. He said in the last few days that Iran has no army and it doesn't make sense to discuss the chance of Iran attacking Israel any more than Iran attacking Mars. I conclude that he is insane but honest. You on the other hand are not insane just operating as members of a cult: bending the truth, creating appearances of what doesn't exist, talking about your leader in sugar-coated, pious language as one would about a living god. You are sickening. The whole Israel, neo-Nazi, gold standard, poll-spamming, America is the source of it's problems, we are the only true constitutionalists thing is sickening. You are all sickening. You are a cancer. Get some chemotherapy or something. #109 - Posted by: Igor R. on December 26, 2007 12:54 AMBob in PHX- "I think I missed the part of the Constitution that quotes Gandhi." Are you blind, man? It's right next to the part that clearly endorses abortion & gay marriage. #110 - Posted by: AlanABQ on December 26, 2007 03:17 AMwe are coming to kick some a$$ - doesnt matter if he wins or not. we will be rid of the parasites and the cowards. paul is the beginning, not the end. we are coming and you all know it already. thats why you write like timid women. we shall mop the floor with you panzies, and it wont abate. #111 - Posted by: ralphie on December 26, 2007 08:59 AMRon Paul has inspired a movement. It took multiple flushes to get rid of it. #112 - Posted by: Notpaul on December 26, 2007 10:01 AMBased on the posts here, I have the motto for Ron Paul's movement: I think "the movement" caused a back up, that's why ralphie needs to mop the floor. #114 - Posted by: Igor R. on December 26, 2007 11:07 AMThese Ron Paul threads are entertaining. Even the Ghandi quote is funny, after the 8,321,456,233rd time. You don't get it- Ron Pauls ideas are far above your IQ.... Yup, I love it when trollish nitwits call me stupid. #115 - Posted by: Veeshir on December 26, 2007 11:42 AMI'll tell you what; if Robble Robble Robble gets the Republican nomination, I'll vote for him. That's a pretty safe bet for me, since there's no friggin' way that'll ever happen. Now, since everyone knows that all you adamant Paul supporters are nothing more than surreptitious leftists posing as concerned Americans, why not take the time to really consider what you should be doing with your lives... surely there are better ways to pass the time, right? You could read the classics or learn a different language. OK, maybe not learn another language. You phonies can barely even think in you own language as it is. But i assume that if you can type, you can also read, so reading a good book might be viable. Just remember, comic books don't count. Now, off you go! #116 - Posted by: AlanABQ on December 26, 2007 04:17 PMThe sophomoric invective is particularly entertaining, although it probably only reaches Ron Paul supporters. IMAO is just so desperate for web traffic that it has to constantly smear Ron Paul. Otherwise, no one would know this insignificant website exists. #117 - Posted by: James Orleasn on December 26, 2007 04:59 PMYeah, maybe get him to change his name to St. Paul (or St. Ron?) and get the Pope's endorsement. Then smearing him would be "hate speech". #118 - Posted by: Igor R. on December 26, 2007 05:37 PMLOL!! James "Orleasn"?!? Did you mean "Orleans", or did you just prove my point in #116...? Debating with you guys is like shooting fish in a barrel. #119 - Posted by: AlanABQ on December 26, 2007 11:39 PMLOL... Just read the whole article/thread,and read the "about" section of your site. Very funny posts, i especially liked the I am Legend scenario, lol. I know paul can seem cooky at first glance because of the way he articulates his positions. While bashing Abe Lincoln on national TV ain't the best method for gaining votes, he is in fact, too principled not to speak his mind. unbelievable for a man that has been in congress for ten friggin' terms. Anyway, happy holidays to all you clowns on here! Oh, and dont believe everything you read on the net (or otherwise.) ;) #120 - Posted by: pr0le on December 27, 2007 05:30 AMFor all of the RuPaul supporters, Lincoln suspended habeas corpus for the explicit reason of protecting an individuals right over states rights, in this particular case over federal infringement of individual rights. If you can bring yourself to call him a tyrant for it, that only confirms my belief that you are the national socialist version of our already proud secular socialists. #121 - Posted by: lawrface on December 29, 2007 02:06 AMlawrface, i would be very reluctant to call paul supporters socialist, they're anything but- The whole scene of American politics gets fuzzier as time goes. (chronologically, from past to present.) I wouldn't criticize the average joe of not knowing these events in history. (You can also thank our schools for that one.) From the beginning, we would have been far better off with a strict adherence to constitutional principles, instead we received activist judges, lobbyists, mounds of legislation and alternative agendas from the get-go. it's been downhill since. If anyone were socialist, i would say it would be all members of the political status-quo, regardless of party. Liberal Democrats are by far the worst, but neo-conservativism has quickly blurred these lines. I cannot understand how so many of our "leaders" have neglected our foundations, heritage, and beliefs. I cannot understand how they can neglect the impending doom of our financial crisis. Sometimes you have to wonder.. is it incompetance or is it deliberate? Anywhooo, I'm not sure where the regulars of this site are normally aligned (besides supporting Thompson.) I'm always up for intelligent conversation, and i hate trolls, spammers, and the like. I do however, appreciate the enthusiasm of my fellow Paul supporters, even though they sway more people than bring in with irrational spam or hostility. They just get too damn excited. :) #122 - Posted by: pr0le on December 29, 2007 05:48 AMThanks Frank. Post a comment
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