No matter, write what you will. I shan’t be returning to this site again.

[Mission accomplished. To coin a phrase. - B]

And, the constitution IS flawed. Many of our former presidents owned slaves, constitutionally. It needed to be fixed, and finally was. The framers never thought it was a perfect document, which is why they added amendments almost immediately.

So sad, so gullible, so FOXNEWS.

[I know if we use big words, the left gets all befuddled, so my apologies for including the word "fundamentally" in the sentence, but I did because that's the word that Obama used.

- B]

I do agree that John McCain is a patriot and I have all the respect in the world for him; but George Washington’s point of view, as skewed as the author wants to make it, has very little use in the modern age. Things aren’t the same as they were in 1786. Being obsessed with the past will get you left behind in the global arena.

So much of this is off base. As inspiring as some people might find it, I think it’s a presumtuous dishonor to our previous President’s to PUT WORDS IN THEIR MOUTHS to scare people.

[Listen to this:

- B]

[Of course. If you do, please link to IMAO: http://www.imao.us/ - B]

Perhaps we’ve gone over the edge, but, as designed, a president is not a king. The people have spoken. When the voice of the people chooses leaders contrary to the founding principles of the nation, we will face the consequences, but they won’t be permanent.

The Constitution will prevail, and the United States will continue to be the greatest nation and a beacon of Freedom. A simple thing like the election of a Marxist by obliviots will not change that. We The People ultimately still make the nation.

You are correct; human beings are fundamentally flawed. You will get no argument from any conservative about that. But you are wrong in your assessment that we conservatives viewed this election, it’s candidates, and our country as perfect, that anyone who disagreed with us is unAmerican. Conservatives know perfectly well that this country is flawed. Look at the unfairness in the legal system, with criminals getting off on technicalities and the innocent being persecuted, in taxation, in the way people get hired or get cheaper schooling because of their skin color. We understand that as well as you do, especially when we had a candidate who we considered far from perfect.

We understand, that our country – our government, run by flawed human beings, is also flawed. In fact, this is partly why we argue for smaller government. Our politicians (and not just Obama) are constantly promising us perfection, hope, paradise… a utopia where only the rich pay taxes and there’s clean renewable gas in every car, health care for every child, and a chicken in every pot. But how can a system run by flawed individuals deliver on any of those promises? Obama ran on hope, but hope in what? In something that can never deliver?

As for hating the country being unAmerican, I would argue that statement is actually correct, because you’re missing half of the equation. To be American is to both love the country and to hate it at the same time. G.K. Chesterton said we must be both extreme pessimists and optimists at the same time; that we must love the world and be patriots to it, yet hate it for all of the unfairness and terrible things that go on in it. That’s the only right perspective, and only that kind of passion can fuel the “change” we really need. There are certainly some republicans out there who will only extol the goodness of America, but they are as wrong as you are. If you see only the good, you will never tear down the bad. But at the same time you certainly cannot build a country on hate. And hate is all that we have seen from Obama and the rest of the democrats. This is why we see you as unAmerican. We saw no love for the country in the democrats in this election; you wanted to tear down all the good along with the bad, and remake it all in some collectivist vision. You don’t love America. You love your vision of a fantasy country, founded on utopian socialist ideals.

You don’t love the America the founding fathers had in mind. They believed in the ideal of Responsible Freedom. Not freedom to do whatever you pleased. Not responsibility to the state and the mob, to whom you would be forced to give everything. Responsible freedom. Free the way God made us, but responsible for our own actions. Freedom to work, to speak our own minds, to practice our religion, to own our own property, and the responsibility to work for the common good and curtail our own vices.

Would anyone have been happy with the direction John McCain would have taken us down? Probably not. But I promise you no conservative (and anyone else with common sense or forced to pay taxes) is going to be happy with the direction Obama and the Democrat senate and house are about to take us down either.

And about this sitting down and achieving greatness — you can’t work together when you have no common ground. Our ideal Americas are nothing alike. I would strongly suggest you find some way to articulate your vision of America, because that’s the only way you’re going to be able to enter the debate. And if you want to have an intelligent conversation, I would also suggest you figure out what you’d have to do to get your ideal America, and what the consequences would be. No one ever thinks of the consequences these days…

Thank you

I’m glad Presidents Washington and Adams missed that.

I am not sure about Biden being better than Obama, but if you really want a good scare, contemplate what would happen if they were both killed. If you can hold the thought of President Pelosi in your mind without your legs going to jello, you are made of much sterner stuff than I.

Brian, you are correct. Few service members would stand by while their country men were marched into camps. Remember, the service members ready to stand up and fight are doing just that right now. What better time to overthrow the castle and storm the throne room than while the defenders are on the walls?

But I would like to make a single point.
I believe that the most unamerican we can be is when we allow ourselves to be foolish enough to believe that America is without flaws. While the ideals of this country uplift and astound us, we are still a country of humans and to be human is to be imperfect. Hell if America was perfect then neither liberal or republican could complain about anything. We have so much to fix and to work on to make this country better than it is now.

This is the fundamental point of President Obama’s campaign that we can as American’s do something better than what we have. And it is the denial of this or the thinking that to believe that America is imperfect is to be unamerican, that I believe really hurt McCain and the republicans as a whole.
I will agree that even I, a serious Barack supporter am skeptical of the level of change Obama will be able to generate. But it is the direction that the country needs to go, less it will sink into oblivion and none of us will be happy. Obama understands the work that needs to be done.

Hopefully, over the next few years. Republicans (and some angry Democrats) will understand what is really going on here. That we aren’t rebuilding a nation, but STILL building a nation. That we put our hopes on Barack not because of his experience but because of his drive and his vision for an America that deep down all of us want. And maybe we can stop all of this squabbling and start achieving something truly greater than either party could have ever imagined.

Thank you

Kent at #12 –

With all due respect, get a grip.

Barack Obama is not a frickin Nazi, he is not a communist tyrant, he is the president elect of the United States. Like all of the non-trolls who read this site, Obama was not my first (or second, or third…Or 1,458th for that matter) choice to fill that position, however in a democracy we need to deal with the fact that occasionally the majority of our countrymen will disagree with us. He won an election, not a civil war.

Also realize that unlike Russia in 1917 or Germany in 1933, the US military is committed to the ideals of Democracy. The guys with the guns (like Joe Foo’) are not gonna stand for putting people into camps and as long as the guys with the guns are on the side of what is right, we are gonna be OK.

As conservatives we need to act like grown-ups, not like the developmentally arrested children that inhabit the Daily Kos or Democratic Underground.

We need to hold the remaining republican Senators feet to the fire an minimize the idiocy for two years then fix the mess in 2010.

Freaking out, going over the top, making the Obama=Stalin signs in revenge for 8 years of the BushHitler crap ain’t gonna get the job done, no matter how attractive it looks right now to get some petty revenge. Going into a funk and whining for 4 (or eight or twelve) years ain’t gonna get the job done.

Time to roll up the sleeves and get back to work.

This deserves a wide readership.