Comments on: So tell me again why Obama is expected to win in any state that has a large coal economy

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Sun, 30 Nov 2008 02:39:09 +0000

[...] So tell me again why Obama is expected to win in any state that has a large coal economy [...]

By: someguy

someguy — Mon, 03 Nov 2008 18:35:22 +0000

This may have been why Obama was pushing for early voting. Once the ballot is cast there’s no going back.

By: seanmahair

seanmahair — Mon, 03 Nov 2008 15:25:53 +0000

49% of our power comes from COAL. What are we supposed to do for power after he runs these people out of business? What are the coal miners and others who not only work in the industry but in industries that support mining and the states where coal pays government taxes supposed to do.

Typical liberal nonsense. Never let reality intrude on your socialist orgasm.

By: Tim B

Tim B — Mon, 03 Nov 2008 02:49:25 +0000

I work in the health insurance field and people there voted for Clinton knowing he was for national health insurance ….

By: I'm with Stuppid

I'm with Stuppid — Mon, 03 Nov 2008 02:41:06 +0000

I just saw this on Hot Air
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVh75ylAUXY
and though I’d pass it along.

By: n8

n8 — Sun, 02 Nov 2008 22:01:04 +0000

These are dark days, Jimmy. Only natural to take solace in memories of better times.

By: n8

n8 — Sun, 02 Nov 2008 21:59:25 +0000

I still want a Rumsfeld action figure, with Chomps included. That was an idea I had near the start of the Iraq war in 2k3. President & cabinet action figures, GI Joe style. Guess I missed my window of opportunity on that idea, eh?

By: Jimmy

Jimmy — Sun, 02 Nov 2008 21:58:09 +0000

When I read you n8, I have the feeling I’m reading myself. Weird. And Basil, I’ve been visiting your site but I’ve yet to comment (I think).

I wonder where everyone else is today? Two days and counting. I have thoughts of playing the old game of “Doom” on one of my older systems. And like many others, I’m trying to shake a general feeling of dread.

I hate elections.

By: Basil

Basil — Sun, 02 Nov 2008 21:56:30 +0000

I’m with you! I can only hope they’re waiting in the wings, ready to strike!

By: n8

n8 — Sun, 02 Nov 2008 21:54:20 +0000

Yeah, I guess Frank J. has left his mark on the smileys! How very like him. I’ve been lurking this site since at least the 2004 contest, and it’s changed quite a bit since. I wonder what Rummy and Chomps are up to these days, in Frank J.’s world?

By: Jimmy

Jimmy — Sun, 02 Nov 2008 21:49:27 +0000

That’s funny, ’cause you look like Frank J. in #16. Hehehe.

Yeah, our mind-speaker’s days may be numbered, n8. If so, let’s go out with a bang.

(I can’t seem to stop using loaded words today.)

By: n8

n8 — Sun, 02 Nov 2008 21:46:06 +0000

Heh, careful what you ask for Jimmy. I have a bad habit of speaking my mind.

By: Jimmy

Jimmy — Sun, 02 Nov 2008 21:40:08 +0000

n8: “We need to get back to being the party of fiscal discipline as well as robust foreign policy.”

I don’t recognize your name but I hope you stick around! Especially this week.

By: n8

n8 — Sun, 02 Nov 2008 21:33:05 +0000

I don’t run it or have any affiliation with it, but I find it to be a useful non-partisan tool for seeing where the election is at. They take the average of several polls to make a guess of where each state is at.

By: Jimmy

Jimmy — Sun, 02 Nov 2008 21:30:26 +0000

Is that really your website, n8? http://www.electoral-vote.com ?

[I'm gonna say 'no.' Frank J's policy seems to allow people to put anything they like. Over at my personal blog, obvious fake info in the Website (blank is acceptable) or email address (blank is not acceptable) qualifies for dumping to spam filter. Yes, I'm a pain. Ask anyone. - B]

By: n8

n8 — Sun, 02 Nov 2008 21:19:38 +0000

If it were up to me, we’d have way more Mitt and far less Palin. But that’s just me, and it’s not a popular position, I’m well aware. We need to get back to being the party of fiscal discipline as well as robust foreign policy. Your assessment of Bush is dead-on, his spending has been out of control, and now we’re paying the piper. This bail-out nonsense is a load of horse crap.

By: n8

n8 — Sun, 02 Nov 2008 21:14:28 +0000

Mean or not, the word isn’t getting the job done. The 80′s have been over and done for a while now, and the old ideological keywords just don’t pack a punch like they used to. The electorate just doesn’t care. The polls aren’t up nearly enough to point to a GOP victory on Tuesday, not even close. And you can insist as much as you like that Obama supporters are living in a dream world, but it kinda sounds desperate.

Anyway, Tuesday will tell the tale. And then we can start putting the pieces back together.

[I just hope there are enough pieces left to have something when we're done. - B]

By: n8

n8 — Sun, 02 Nov 2008 21:02:11 +0000

Hell, by the going definition, Teddy Roosevelt (first implementer of the progressive tax rate) was a socialist. Maybe instead of attacking a label, we could attack the policies themselves with… I dunno… some substance maybe? Just yelling out the word “socialist!” over and over again doesn’t seem to be getting the poll numbers up.

And as far as “bankrupting the country”, we already seem to be well on course for that target, socialism or no. I think it was around the time a Republican administration nationalized Fannie and Freddie that the jig was up. Maybe a few more loans from China will set things right?

[Actually, the poll numbers are up.

Still, you point about too much spending over the last several years is dead on target. That's where I disagree with Bush. He got most things right, but this spending like a drunken socialist (there's that mean old word again) was THE mistake of his presidency.

But anyone that thinks Obama will solve this is living in a dream world. As is anyone who doesn't think McCain is the better choice in this election.

Oh, and wasn't the 16th Amendment (income tax) passed in February, 1913, a month before Taft left office? - B]

By: n8

n8 — Sun, 02 Nov 2008 20:53:14 +0000

Ah, then you’re replying to your own points, instead of mine? Because I was talking about how McCain could’ve campaigned better and maybe won this thing. By being straight with the electorate and telling people what the upsides and downsides are, and explaining how his policies are the right ones, instead of ceding the limelight to Obama and talking about nothing but Obama’s policies, highlighting them further.

But hey, whatever right? It’s not like this election is -important- or anything.

[Silly me. I read your comments in relationship to my post about Obama's policies.

Obama says he plans to tax the coal industry into bankruptcy. You said the two plans (I can only assume McCain and Obama) made it a wash.

I said McCain never said anything about taxing the coal industry into bankruptcy.

You said that McCain simply didn't say it, and was all sunny and light. I said that's Obama's face on his socialism.

You wondered who this Obama guy was.

Have I summed it up? - B]

By: n8

n8 — Sun, 02 Nov 2008 20:48:21 +0000

Who said anything about Obama?

[I did. In the original post. What these comments are for. - B]

By: n8

n8 — Sun, 02 Nov 2008 20:41:20 +0000

That’s just it, B. McCain never mentions the downsides, just promises us ponies and rainbows and everything’s gonna be all right. I miss the grown-ups. Can we get Bob Dole back in 2012?

[McCain? Ponies and rainbows? What planet are you living on? Here on earth, here in America, here in flyover country, we're fully aware of the socialist programs Obama promotes that will bankrupt the country. If only the mindless bots that are following Obama would wake up.

And that McCain is the realist in this race. - B]

By: Fuloydo

Fuloydo — Sun, 02 Nov 2008 20:24:40 +0000

Add another Coal state to that list.

Missouri.

While it’s true that Missouri is no longer a major coal producing state back in the 60′s, 70′s, and early 80′s Peabody Coal Company was a major employer here. They still have their corporate offices in St Louis.

That’s a lot of retired mine workers who have pensions which depend upon the continued health of the coal companies they retired from. My father was one though, not living in Chicago he is no longer eligible to vote being deceased, and my mother is another.

By: n8

n8 — Sun, 02 Nov 2008 20:23:16 +0000

Both candidates talked about investing in Clean Coal technologies during the debates, so this issue kind of seems like a wash.

[McCain never said anything about taxing the coal industry out of business. - B]

By: Jimmy

Jimmy — Sun, 02 Nov 2008 19:40:10 +0000

Basil, Frank couldn’t have made a better selection to add to his team. I said that about “paradigm shift” just to see if I could get a rise out of him! I’m a ‘needler’ – an old-fashioned Irish hook baiter.

Now, Harvey has to get less busy from work and get that Newsish Fakery thing fired up again. I know… “when the spirit moves.”

IMAO continues to rock. And some of us are in election mode ‘short strokes’ (interpreted not as ‘TIA’s’ not the other thing!!).

By: Jimmy

Jimmy — Sun, 02 Nov 2008 19:09:14 +0000

Hopefully, Frank is out campaigning, Freemon. Otherwise, IMAO seems to be making a paradigm shift of its own… to Basil. This reader thinks you’ve done a lot of good work, Basil. I enjoy your posts.

In any case, we’re at that PaleoMedic “fork in the road.” One path leads to rapid insanity and breakdown, the other to hanging on. It’ll take at least a generation to undo what Bush and Congress just did in October. With Obama, the very concept of money and wealth creation will belong to the government and we’ll be arrested for saying otherwise.

And what is it about all the engineers who hang here? I’m Aero, BTW.

[OMG, no! IMAO is first and foremost Frank J. And secondly, SarahK, Cadet Happy, Harvey, spacemonkey, et al.

Frank J. has kindly consented to allow me to post here, an offer to which I have shown my gratitude by abusing beyond his wildest dreams ... or worst nightmare. But thank you for the kind words.

Having said that, your comments about Bush and the GOP failing to control spending is spot on. - B]