Some of you are saying that if Obama doesn’t produce whatever you consider to be an actual birth certificate, then the Constitution will catch fire and explode. If you want to get technical, though, there isn’t actually any mention of birth certificates in the Constitution.
I was hoping that by forcing Obummer to produce a simple document, by continually resisting, maybe he’ll burst into flames and take a few of his loonies with him.
There isn’t any mention of AR15s or AK47s, or 1911s in the Constitution either.
Yeah, but the constitution is quite clear about native born presidents. But we had better shut up because if Obama is rejected, then Pelosi will be no. 2, and noone knows about Biden’s health.
I am not a lawyer. Therefore, what I say means more than if I was a lawyer.
“Natural born citizen” means, to me, that, at birth, the person is a citizen.
Regardless of where a child was born, if he was a citizen of the U.S. by birth (born in the U.S. or a U.S. territory, born overseas to two U.S. citizen parents, or to one U.S. citizen parent meeting residency requirements), he’s a “natural born citizen.”
If Obama meets any of these, then he is eligible. Though it wouldn’t bother me one little bit if he was not eligible. I just wonder who the Electors would vote for next Monday. Biden? Hillary? Me?
All the other ramifications if the election of The Mutt is overturned are immaterial. I don’t care who would become President; I don’t care who would be #2, #3, or #4 in line for succession; I don’t care if there would be riots in the streets and Chicago would be burned to the ground.
The only thing that matters is the rule of law and the U.S. Constitution.
Where the Constitution leaves gaps, the U.S. Code fills in.
We are a country of laws, and even though many of our lawmakers and politicians are crooks, they are subject to the same laws we are. Generally, though, they are just better of flaunting them.
No one, not even the Golden Boy/The Messiah/The Annointed One/The Mutt, is above the law. No company is too big to fail. And no elected office is too big to topple.
Mitch Rapp
Frank – please stop feeding the Ron Paul trolls.
The 14th Amendment defines citizenship this way: “All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.” But even this does not get specific enough. As usual, the Constitution provides the framework for the law, but it is the law that fills in the gaps.
Currently, Title 8 of the U.S. Code fills in those gaps. Section 1401 defines the following as people who are “citizens of the United States at birth:”
– Anyone born inside the United States
– Any Indian or Eskimo born in the United States, provided being a citizen of the U.S. does not impair the person’s status as a citizen of the tribe
– Any one born outside the United States, both of whose parents are citizens of the U.S., as long as one parent has lived in the U.S.
– Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year and the other parent is a U.S. national
– Any one born in a U.S. possession, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year
– Any one found in the U.S. under the age of five, whose parentage cannot be determined, as long as proof of non-citizenship is not provided by age 21
– Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time)
– A final, historical condition: a person born before 5/24/1934 of an alien father and a U.S. citizen mother who has lived in the U.S
I still can’t figure out how The Mutt qualifies.
http://www.usconstitution.net/consttop_citi.html
Being a lawyer, my opinion on constitutional matters is completely irrelevant and subject to being ignored by anyone wishing to maintain any grip on sanity.
I do not fear the constitution will catch on fire. I’m pretty certain that it’s kept somewhere that’s pretty flame-proof. I also know enough law professors and law professor suck-ups who carry little copies of the constitution and the declaration of independence and the bill of rights in their pants pockets that the only true risk to the text is a Hitler-esque Burning of the Small Booklets in Law Professors’ Pockets, Their Suck-ups’ Pockets, and all copies of The Federalist Papers, for good measure. While we may be on a rapid descent into a functionally illiterate society, and political correctness and other blaheffingwhateverness has gotten many fabulous writings banned from schools, I don’t see the Bonfire of Literature in the near-ish future.
I think the biggest risk is that the Founding Fathers will begin spinning in their graves so rapidly that the graves begin to spin, and it forms a macabre coffin carousel, and then some Neighborhood Association will get all in a tizzy over it, and lawyers will be called in, and I just hope I’m not one of them. What good are lawyers against a founding fathers spinning graves carousel?
I just have test questions.
1. Could this be the beginning of the biggest scandal-ridden presidency in our history – so big, that it eclipses Nixon’s and Clinton’s? Don’t Know / Maybe / No / Yes / Hell Yes.
2. If SCOTUS did review the matter and declared Obama ineligible, would it cause:
(a) A Constitutional crisis?
(b) Mass hysteria?
(c) Dogs and cats living together?
(d) Riots in our cities?
(e) Martial law?
(f) All of the above?
3. For our Constitution, is this issue more like:
(a) Rats nibbling at the edges of a piece of paper.
(b) A large possum taking huge bites out of it.
(c) Ted Kennedy taking a dump on it.
(f) Throwing BlagoIwannabitch under Obama’s bus.
4. Do you think Obama is having:
(a) A nice day.
(b) Is mildly irritated.
(c) Is biting his fingernails off.
(d) Is sick that the all the Chicago worms will come out of the can.
Be sure and put your name on your paper and throw yourself under the nearest bus, regardless of your answers.
Are people born via C-section classed as “Natural-Born” ?
[They are not of woman born, but from their mother’s womb untimely ripped. -Ed.]
C-section babies are “natural born citizens” only if the mother and the doctor are both American citizens.
It’s an obscure sub-clause of a sub-section of a sub-paragraph of the U.S. Code. I read it somewhere on the internet once, so I know it’s true.
Ed-
You forgot to add c-section babies can Kill MacBeth. Which would be great if Obama could do that. In my opinion he’s a little light on the abilities side.
11. Mitch, any idea whereabouts in the US code that can be found? I need to find that. If that’s true, my older son can’t be president, because he was born by C-section by a German surgeon in a civilian hospital (no room at the inn–97th General US Army Hospital in Frankfurt). My younger son was C-section also, but the surgeon was an Army surgeon, he’s okay.
But hey, if Obama isn’t required to produce something as mundane as a certificate of live birth, then some obscure medical fact about my son should not prevent him from becoming president (as long as he runs as a Democrat or Commie of course).
(I also learned that me, my wife and neither son can donate blood because we lived in Germany during the 80s when Mad Cow Disease was allegedly rampant. Yeesh. My adivce? Don’t go to Germany.)
“Can’t donate blood.” My typing is primitive.
Jeez. Belay #14 comment. I suck at reading my own writing. It was mostly okay as it was, despite slipshod use of pronouns. Don’t mind me. Having a bad day.
No, c-section babies can become president.
The problem is that you can’t get them to leave office.
No, that’s not funny. There’s a c-section joke in there somewhere, I’m gonna find it.
Caesaria-section babies can’t become president because they were born in a section of a town in Israel.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caesarea
No dammit, no good. Oh well, I still think there’s a c-section joke in there so I’ll steal one from Stephen Wright
“I was born by c-section. You can’t really tell except that when I leave a house I go out the window.”
Medic,
I would check out volume 1009.89982.29.239829.2o939h.9832.15.1 from the Library of Congress and see what you come up with.
Cheers!
MR
P.S. And then tune up your bullshit detector. 😉
Jimmy, you forgot question #5.
A baloo is a _____.
(a). racist term you stupid redneck cracker!
(b). chicken, coming home to roost.
(c). drink stirrer that you wuzzle the Kool-Aid with.
(d). bear, but not the one I once knew.
The sale and purchase of vinegar will become a hate crime in 6 weeks, as well as salt and vinegar potato chips.
Anyway, I’m not a jackass, but I play one on TV, and didn’t THAT ONE get a passport from Indonesia that meant he would have had to renounce his American citizenship? Wouldn’t that disqualify him, too?
It just goes to show that Democrats and liberals don’t care about the law, or the truth, or the right thing to do. All that matters is what they want right now. And they only tell the truth when confronted with a DNA sample.
Where is Jesus’ birth certificate?
Messiahs don’t need birth certificates,
just divine authentication:
Transfiguration, Resurrection, or Scriptural proof
for example.
False messiahs just need good propagandists.
Jesus’ birth is well documented with plenty of witnesses. While it may be true that Obama was born on Festivus Day, we know practically nothing about the location in Kenya. We can pretty well surmise, however, that his mother was no virgin.
Why did the chickens cross the road?
To come home to roost.
I have never made but one prayer to God, a very short one:
“O Lord, make my enemies ridiculous.”
And God granted it.
-Voltaire, 1767
I almost wish there were something to this so that Biden could be president. That would be hilarious.
The constitution only requires him to be one, not to prove that he is. It shouldn’t be this way, but it is: the burden of proof is clearly on those who don’t think he is. That is, he’s a natural born citizen unless proven otherwise.
The thing is, the Nov 4 election is meaningless, Constitutionally. It’s the Electoral College that matters. So hypothetically, if he were found not to be eligible at this time, the Electors would vote for whomever they wanted. That would either be John McCain, Biden, or Hillary.
Probably John McCain would get a plurality, but not the 270 votes required.
If the Electors don’t come up with a winner, as they probably would not, by the Twelfth Amendment they pass the buck to the House of Representatives. That means the new President would either be Hillary, Biden, or more likely as not, America’s current Speaker-in-Law Nancy Pelosi.
Obama is a red-commie-pinko-bastard and shouldn’t be allowed to live on US soil. Well, to be fair, his mammy did get hitched before she spit him out.
I’m hoping it’s true because, from this vantage point, wouldn’t that make Arnold eligible? Please? Pretty please?
Ok, so, now you’re going to spend your time defending Obama?
PaleoMedic,
Aren’t you glad your weren’t affected by the Mad Cow plague?
26. I’m hoping it’s true because, from this vantage point, wouldn’t that make Arnold eligible?
The question here would be, “Why would you want a lefty like Arnold to be President?”
Just FYI – the constitution also doesn’t mention property taxes, medicaid, endangered species, or food stamps but there seems to be a lot of those going on. So not mentioning birth certificates has no real impact on the fact he shouldn’t be president because his ears are simply too big to fit on a US coin.
The citizenship of That One is essentially moot since we here are the only ones talking about it, and dont expect the media to raise questions about the legality of his historic “election.”
On the upside, “a founding fathers spinning graves carousel” (#8) would be awesome.
It would appear that O-I’m-going-to-use-all-three-of-my-names-when-sworn-in-to-show-overseas-islamists-that-i’m-their-friend-hehehe is not a natural born citizen of the U.S.
If he were, it would be fairly easy – and proper, even from his own point of view – to produce documentation to put the argument to rest.
Just one more reason I cannot consider him as my president.
[Why would he care if the argument is put to rest? It’s only in the fringes, and if it spreads further, it has the potential of making his opponents look silly. -Ed.]
Heaven knows you wouldn’t want to look silly Frank/Ed.
This is one of those Emperor has no Clothes situations – except in this case the Emperor has no citizenship. Sometimes the majority look a whole lot sillier than the minority once reality intrudes.
[Only we enlightened ones can see the paper of his certificate, while the fools and those unfit for their station in life find it invisible! -Ed.]
he’s the Mahdi
that’s sort of like an anti-christ messiah
if there’s a limited nuclear war next year, well, good luck
Modern Day Estella
I’m broken hearted- I thought I had found the girl of my dreams, now I find out you’re a vicious lawyer?!
Oh well we all can’t be perfect.
It is my understanding from a very slipshod reading of the naturalization act of 1790 that as long as one of the One’s parents is an american citizen, he is
Jus Sanguinous anyone?
“Only we enlightened ones can see the paper of his certificate, while the fools and those unfit for their station in life find it invisible.”
Just asking, but have you gone on to denigrate your own readers, or are you voicing the opposition’s viewpoint? Just wondering because we have manifestly shown that the “birth certificate” he has produced would not even be accepted by Hawaii! Plus, that would just be bad business, unless you’re Murtha.
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