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  1. Sorry to JW get offended over such a mild rebuke to atheist. I have endued more hostility toward my faith in a single sentence than Frank heaped in his article. Everybody needs to grow a thicker skin and learn what real tolerance is about. Heck Harvey, my favorite atheist, even plugged my sermon podcast. Kum-ba-ya to all of yall

  2. jw,

    I’m not trying to chase anyone away; I’m trying to open a discussion. Really, the point was to say there’s much argument in this arena, but our beliefs aren’t all that different.

    And the best way to refute me is to prove Harvey exists.

  3. Haha, all this time I thought jw stood for Jehovah’s Witness! So many funny comments I’m going to have to totally reconsider in light of this new information. e.g. his Hitchhiker “fishes” farewell may be a double entendre. 😉

    I pretty much agree with how Frank defines religion as strongly held beliefs. I wouldn’t say that atheists don’t exist, but rather that “atheism” tells us almost nothing about what a person’s strongly held beliefs are.

    But I disagree that morality is inherently irrational. I think it is perfectly rational, it’s just sometimes beyond our present understanding. Morality is objective, though essentially predictive and therefore it’s as difficult to prove as foretelling the future.

    The axioms of moral logic are virtually universal empirical preferences. Pain and pleasure. The things that usually lead to death are painful. Voluntary cooperation is mutually beneficial. This logic does not diminish or eliminate God, rather it harmonizes perfectly with Him. Our entire universe is oriented toward the creation of we intelligent beings with free will. All of reality sings the glory of God.

    I oddly also take comfort in the logic that even if God and objective morality do not exist, it is rationally utilitarian to believe they do, since each of our moral choices are based upon our predictions of the ultimate consequences.

    Cheers to all our liberty loving atheists! 🙂

  4. JW -Don’t go away, you’ll miss the return of the penguins if you do! 😉
    Harvey – No kidding? Yay! 😀
    Frank – PJMedia is an evil website – It’s so full of ads and it loads so slow that it makes my old laptop lock up every time I go there, so I couldn’t actually read your article, but I’m sure it was great! 🙁

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