If “atheists” were smart, they’d finally admit they’re just another religion since they do exactly what they bitch about all the time, then they could be tax FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!11!!1!1!!
Sorry to JW get offended over such a mild rebuke to atheist. I have endued more hostility toward my faith in a single sentence than Frank heaped in his article. Everybody needs to grow a thicker skin and learn what real tolerance is about. Heck Harvey, my favorite atheist, even plugged my sermon podcast. Kum-ba-ya to all of yall
I’m not trying to chase anyone away; I’m trying to open a discussion. Really, the point was to say there’s much argument in this arena, but our beliefs aren’t all that different.
And the best way to refute me is to prove Harvey exists.
Haha, all this time I thought jw stood for Jehovah’s Witness! So many funny comments I’m going to have to totally reconsider in light of this new information. e.g. his Hitchhiker “fishes” farewell may be a double entendre. 😉
I pretty much agree with how Frank defines religion as strongly held beliefs. I wouldn’t say that atheists don’t exist, but rather that “atheism” tells us almost nothing about what a person’s strongly held beliefs are.
But I disagree that morality is inherently irrational. I think it is perfectly rational, it’s just sometimes beyond our present understanding. Morality is objective, though essentially predictive and therefore it’s as difficult to prove as foretelling the future.
The axioms of moral logic are virtually universal empirical preferences. Pain and pleasure. The things that usually lead to death are painful. Voluntary cooperation is mutually beneficial. This logic does not diminish or eliminate God, rather it harmonizes perfectly with Him. Our entire universe is oriented toward the creation of we intelligent beings with free will. All of reality sings the glory of God.
I oddly also take comfort in the logic that even if God and objective morality do not exist, it is rationally utilitarian to believe they do, since each of our moral choices are based upon our predictions of the ultimate consequences.
JW -Don’t go away, you’ll miss the return of the penguins if you do! 😉
Harvey – No kidding? Yay! 😀
Frank – PJMedia is an evil website – It’s so full of ads and it loads so slow that it makes my old laptop lock up every time I go there, so I couldn’t actually read your article, but I’m sure it was great! 🙁
It’s true. I admit it. I’m an atheist annihilator. I give them cookies and the next thing you know, they’ve got religion. Don’t EVER doubt the power of cookies.
Who knew a sense of humor was directly related to belief in God?
And Harvey exists only in your imagination.
pretty sure i exist. pretty sure i’m no longer welcome at imao.
i’ve mostly enjoyed it, but so long and thanks for all the fish.
jw! Nooooooooooooooo!
Look, Frank is a “work in progress.” Stick around and watch how we convert him!
Okay, I’m being flippant.
Atheists are just overly cocksure Agnostics. They THINK they know it all.
If “atheists” were smart, they’d finally admit they’re just another religion since they do exactly what they bitch about all the time, then they could be tax FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!11!!1!1!!
I think that’s Unitarian, NO_MO_BAMA
So, Harvey, you gonna weigh-in here?
Are members of The Church of GLOBAL WARMING™!!!11!1!!1!1! considered atheists?
Sorry to JW get offended over such a mild rebuke to atheist. I have endued more hostility toward my faith in a single sentence than Frank heaped in his article. Everybody needs to grow a thicker skin and learn what real tolerance is about. Heck Harvey, my favorite atheist, even plugged my sermon podcast. Kum-ba-ya to all of yall
My comment got moderated! I smell conspiracy
If we lose jw, we’ve lost a medical/scientific/rational mind.
jw,
I’m not trying to chase anyone away; I’m trying to open a discussion. Really, the point was to say there’s much argument in this arena, but our beliefs aren’t all that different.
And the best way to refute me is to prove Harvey exists.
If a baker refuses to take pictures of the flowers at an atheists wedding does that mean he’s discriminating against pizza?
Haha, all this time I thought jw stood for Jehovah’s Witness! So many funny comments I’m going to have to totally reconsider in light of this new information. e.g. his Hitchhiker “fishes” farewell may be a double entendre. 😉
I pretty much agree with how Frank defines religion as strongly held beliefs. I wouldn’t say that atheists don’t exist, but rather that “atheism” tells us almost nothing about what a person’s strongly held beliefs are.
But I disagree that morality is inherently irrational. I think it is perfectly rational, it’s just sometimes beyond our present understanding. Morality is objective, though essentially predictive and therefore it’s as difficult to prove as foretelling the future.
The axioms of moral logic are virtually universal empirical preferences. Pain and pleasure. The things that usually lead to death are painful. Voluntary cooperation is mutually beneficial. This logic does not diminish or eliminate God, rather it harmonizes perfectly with Him. Our entire universe is oriented toward the creation of we intelligent beings with free will. All of reality sings the glory of God.
I oddly also take comfort in the logic that even if God and objective morality do not exist, it is rationally utilitarian to believe they do, since each of our moral choices are based upon our predictions of the ultimate consequences.
Cheers to all our liberty loving atheists! 🙂
@10 – Now “former atheist”.
Long story.
We are talking about Harvey the Rabbit, right?
Mazel tov, Harvey! 🙂 How might we coax this long story from you?
Were you moved by your reasoning, inspiration, and perhaps a touch of the lovely Anonymiss?
JW -Don’t go away, you’ll miss the return of the penguins if you do! 😉
Harvey – No kidding? Yay! 😀
Frank – PJMedia is an evil website – It’s so full of ads and it loads so slow that it makes my old laptop lock up every time I go there, so I couldn’t actually read your article, but I’m sure it was great! 🙁
It’s true. I admit it. I’m an atheist annihilator. I give them cookies and the next thing you know, they’ve got religion. Don’t EVER doubt the power of cookies.
Yep, that’s the way the cookie crumbles! Cheers, Miss. 🙂
I’m not missing, I’m Anonymissing…
Or were you mything but now you are found? Haha, I crack myself up. You two are adorable. 🙂
Love, incipient though it may be, as a reflection of God’s existence! Who could have guessed? 😉