So, we’re dealing with people with retarded religious beliefs who think they’ll be rewarded for killing themselves while murdering others. Why aren’t we using those retarded religious beliefs against them? Is it because we’re afraid of offending other Muslims? But shouldn’t other Muslims not care what we do to terrorists since terrorists aren’t practicing real Islam anyway?
Of course, I’m talking about the whole pig thing. Grease guns and bullets with pig fat, feed the corpses of dead terrorists to pigs… that sort of thing. And I ask, what effect do you think this would have? Would it cause more actions out of anger (I don’t care about anger itself unless it leads to actions), or would it actually scare Islamists from dealing with us because, by their wiener beliefs, they’ll not reach they’re wacky orgy or raisin filled paradise? I mean this as a serious question; what would be the reaction?
And here is a hypothetical because I don’t see this one even remotely politically possible: What happens if we bomb Mecca? Just mess it up a little with threats to completely obliterate it later? Would that scare terrorists to stop? I don’t really understand how essential Mecca is to Islam; I know that you can’t blow up anything that would effect Christians in the same way. As long as we have our scripture, we’re good.
If the terrorists really think we’re as bad as they say, wouldn’t we have bombed all the Middle East ages ago? Should we make that point to them publicly? “If we wanted to wipe out all the Middle East, it would be a simple things and there’s nothing you wackos could do to stop us. But we don’t wipe it out since we’re nice people.”
Couple of thoughts (trying to think outside the box). If the first idea was judged to be useful, do you think it would be possible to get support for it in this PC world?
UPDATE: What I wrote are probably making a lot of people think of this.
Im pretty sure it would just piss them off more, but then again they are so mad that they are exploding with rage already I dont think a nuke or two would make things too much worse. 😛
I so wanted to do that years ago.
Didn’t the British supposedly do the pig grease thing back in WWI? I read something about that, can’t remember where…
The Brittish actually did this a long time ago. Back before political correctness, the British had a problem with some muslim suicide bombers in one of their colonies.
They made it public that the bodies of suicide bombers and terrorists would be burried along with pig entrails. Muslims believed that they could not go to heaven if burried this way.
It stopped the insurgancy dead.
I think we should start that up again, screw the PC stuff and do whatever we have to do to stop them, so what if people whine about how its un-PC to bury them with pig entrails, its just as bad to blow innocent people. I don’t know about you guys but I have a simmering anger today and I think its gonna do more than simmer pretty soon.
craig is right. Back in the days where French were not such a band of wuss we used to do the same.
one little correction though, in Sudan the English used to put the bodies of the terrorists in pig skin and then they would fire them with their canons… good times…
I’ll have to do some more research but I believe the burial with pig parts thing was also done by Americans fighting Moslem tribes in the Phillippines after the Spanish American War…one witness was deliberately let go to tell his fellow insurrectionists…if you fight the Americans you will be buried under pig entrails…let me look that one up.
As for the reaction, there’s only one way to find out!
Let’s just spread the rumor that we soak our bullets in pig’s blood. It’s just as effective and totally unverifiable.
What happens if we bomb Mecca? Just mess it up a little with threats to completely obliterate it later?
I doubt anything would ever get so bad that we would bomb Mecca. There are lots of good Muslims out there, blah blah blah. Its a stupid idea. But if it did ever get so bad…
Muslims are required to perform the Haj and go to Mecca once in their lifetime. If we bomb Mecca, I hope we use something so nasty and lingering that it turns that requirement into a death sentence. In otherwords, turn Mecca into the new Chernobyl with radioactive fallout so thick you could ski on it.
Wouldn’t that just make them try to use our retarded religious beliefs against us, like, uh, er, uh… (crickets)… um, using like, um, throwing… I’ll come up with something.
No, the Pershing thing has been debunked on Snopes.
But, it’s going to be awfully difficult while keeping the white gloves on. I say let’s get really serious about this.
Let’s send in flyers to the next winner to be visited by carrier stike groups, that says if you are for a democratic government, best leave now, we’ll let you know when to come beboppin back.
I wonder, if Mecca was permanently irradiated, or submerged, or something, might it be seen as a refutation of the truth of Islam? Since it’d be physically impossible to go there without dying? Or would the haj become just your last act of suicide? Or would Muslims start investing in really good radiation suits and/or submarines? But then again, isn’t there some bit about having to remove your shoes and ablute your feet for worship or something?
I am in favor of simply dropping a 25-megaton nuke directly on Mecca. Follow that with the simple four word announcement: “Medina will be next.” After a brief pause while reporters stand in slackjawed shock, add two more words: “then Qom.”
I once said that if we ever give up on our Judeo-Christian roots (love your enemy), we will end up with only our Greco-Roman roots (Kill em all, let Jove sort em out). Rome did an interesting thing burning down the temple in Jerusalem in AD 70. They did it for similar reasons — they got sick of the Zealots and their terrorism, and did the pagan solution — destroy the idol (or so they thought) and the base of operations (done). So while Judaism is alive and well while Rome is dead, the sects that started the problem with ancient terrorism lost their “base” for nearly two millennia. Of course, those who preached love of enemy took over Europe, so now we are in the opposite situation with the same problem.
A good Those Shirts design would be “One Bomb — One Pillar of Islam”. I think this is a measured response to ANY Muslim nation nuking a US target, with a matching threat if we are threatened. When that Russian school was blown up, maybe the appropriate response of the US and Russia would have been to issue a joint statement that all nuclear weapons in both arsenals was retargeted from the ocean (to avoid WWIII in the event of an accident) to Mecca. They would remain targeted there until further notice. The main argument against “you can’t fight 800 million Muslims” is that we can turn that into 50 million Muslims in 30 minutes. They have no such ability to fight 280 million Americans.
I think it would be interesting to propose a “Do unto Muslims as they do unto you” Day every September 11. We could loot mosques and execute clerics by public beheading like the Saudis did after the first Gulf war where they killed two Filipino missionaries. Rather than sacrifice ourselves, we could run pigs with explosive jackets into crowds and public transportation centers in Muslim countries. We could crash Muslim-filled airliners into the twin towers in Malaysia by hacking their fly-by-wire systems. We could have mass executions of Muslim men and sell their women into forced marriage and children into slavery to non-Muslim men to protest the Sudan’s behavior.
I’m not suggesting it be done, just proposed for public debate. Perhaps the very proposal would wake up some liberals and Muslims to the fact that their whining is foolish in the extreme. If nothing else, the resulting charges of racism/etc would make them look incredibly foolish to any neutral parties with two brain cells to rub together. By not pointing out what a morally equivalent war would look like, we play into the hands of those who would have the disinterested masses believe this is a morally equivalent (or even immoral) war against Islam.
Nuke the bastards.
Do you think we didn’t give ’em enough Qu’rans, liberals?!
God Bless those who perished, along with their families.
I agree with just obliterating the Mid East. We should pull our troops out, and bomb the daylights out of that entire region. IF Russia or China doesnt like it, hell, lets keep going. We got more than enough firepower to rid this world of these terrorist bastards. We are just afraid of pissing someone off.
Once we nuke 1/3 of the world, think of the oil reserves and the prices at the pump. Hell, I just bought a new car, and it sucks gas like its cool. I want lower prices dammit!
I’m afraid it might take a massive course correction in the institutional thinking of both the military and civilian planners to begin even discussing these sorts of actions (which I personally agree should be discussed and pursued.)
I read somewhere that the US military had to contract with an Israeli ammunition factory to produce a quantity of ammo that US factories couldn’t make fast enough. If you knew the codes, the headstamp on the cartridge cases would indicate that it was Israeli-made stuff. In order not to inflame Arab passions, the military ordered that this ammo not be used in the Middle East, but was restricted to USA practice only. If they’re afraid of Muslim reaction to empty cartridge cases I can’t imagine that the planners are prepared to think more aggressively.
BTW, anybody else read the latest P.T. Deutermann novel, Firefly? An engrossing thriller with an absolutely inspired solution to certain sources of terrorism. We could only wish.
I love the idea of showing the world, if only hypothetically, what genuine “moral equivalency” would look like.
OTOH, we would never nuke Mecca or Medina or most any target in Saudi Arabia, as this could destroy the planet’s largest oil fields, creating untold global catastrophe from the fires and the smoke that would blanket the atmosphere… just to mention one downside.
Our need for Middle Eastern oil makes them feel completely safe from such an attack. (And they are right.) Our need for their oil is the only reason we are allies with the penultimate terrorist state of Saudi Arabia. No, this is not a left-wing, anti-corporate, pro-green argument. We need to change our economic dependency on fossil fuels for our own security, period. Getting oil from elsewhere (like ANWR) is merely a temporary respite. When that is gone, we would be right back at the Saudis’ front door, hat in hand. And they know this.
Start with Mecca then Nuke the Moon! Carry on from there.
We could, of course, nuke Mecca. But that would be an inappropriate escalation. They didn’t use WMD’s, just explosives.
As such, we must return in kind; but being unmedicated and unbalanced means unfair retaliation. Airburst MOAB Mecca.
Then have Rumsfeld address the UN with, “It’s easier to drill through glass than sand, any questions?”
Is it too naive for me to wonder if we could set up a sell of nukes to the insurgents on the Syrian border and then have the weapons “accidently” detonate in the hands of the terrorists. This way we can not only “prove” they were insanely trying to destroy the world for their own gain, but that they’re too firking dumb to know how to handle such delicate equipment?
Just a thought…
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This says it all (found over at the Rott.
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I have been saying for the longest time to kill the Terrorists with pigs blood covered bullets, and feed the detainees raw pork. Better yet, lets bomb them with pigs blood bombs. They could all go to Hell.
The ________ ragheads want nukes. The ________ liberals/commies want us to get rid of ours. Why not just air-ship a portion to each of the countries that we all /know/ are part of the problem here? The president can call them right after launch to tell them what a great deal they’re getting on this free shipping…
http://www.thedissidentfrogman.com/bureau/000040.html
Some ready made banners from the Dissident Frogman. If we talk about this enough, maybe the terrorists will think it’s true? they’ve not yet shown a great capacity for non-conspiratorial thinking.
Goe, needing sleep
Pork chops only for gitmo detainees.
If they know that the only thing they’ll be able to eat if we capture them is pork, they’ll stop letting us take them alive.
You people are violent and insensitive…
I like you people!
SOTG
Spray Planes loaded with liquified deviled ham to cover large areas of muslim infested areas, thats my answer.
We bomb Mecca and I have a feeling property values around Vatican City would plummet overnight.
No need to resort to dipping bullets in pig blood. Since the 1970s, along with the traditional binders and plasticizers in Semtex, C4 and other explosives, manufacturers have been inserting a “taggent” that makes the explosives more detectable. This material contains ethylene glycol dinitrate and rendered animal fat, mostly from the Chester White breed of pig common in the UK and US. I always thought it odd that Islamic Terrorist still use these explosive types since in handling it they are ensuring they are going straight to hell. I guess they are just real chuckle-heads.
Ann Coulter had it right…(9/12/01) “We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity.”
-and this got her fired from NR (those wimps)
Funny you came up with this…I was away in the mountains and had no access to TV, but I returned the day after the London bombing, and for some reason thought…Bomb Mecca…and when I checked, even that WWW site is taken already…of course it would just piss them off even more…
…so, maybe we should ALL wake up and realize that there is only ONE whatever it is, call it what you like…ONE GOD, one intelligent, beautiful, wondrous, perfect being that created this world…this universe…and so to belive that this magnificent being that was able to create all of this, NEEDS ANYTHING, is an insult. Yet, what we have now in this world are millions and millions of people who belive all of this horse excrement that is being taught by the various religeons…no dancing, no pork, no shrimp, flog yourself or god will be pissed, your wife must wear a gown and headdress that looks like a ventilator duck, you cannot enjoy sex, no meat on Friday, blah, blah, blah, blah…utter BS…
…to believe that the creator of all of this NEEDS us to do anything is an insult to HIS/HER/ITS intelligence…the truth is that all of this crap was made up by NEEDY PEOPLE who wanted to control our lives…WAKE THE F…K UP AND REALIZE THAT YOU ARE GOD…as are everyone…and everything…the fact is this…there is NO separation between us and what we call GOD, none..nada. Everyone and everything, every atom and molecule, every particle of everything exists HERE AND NOW and always has…and thats it..and those that belive otherwise are the ones that are out there blowing themselves up killing each other and innocent people just because someone does not belive their nonsense…are STUPID…they are in a STUPOR…
TIME TO WAKE UP!
…and, as far as the other comments above…by Kevin…well, yep, who knows, the Vatican may be next, and then Jeruselem…and for CWChute…hey, instead of pork (which BTW I really happen to like) why not try dosing all of them with LSD…I GUARANTEE you after an acid trip…they will be as calm, peaceful, humble and loving and intelligent as anyone on this planet…
…and, one other thing that I forgot to mention…one of the WAYS that organized religeon uses to keep you in tow…is to convince you that you are SEPARATE from GOD…and of course, what could be more painful and fearsome than being SEPARATED from the ONE you love…but in reality, being part of the creator means that we are NOT separate from HIM/HER/IT…but these religeos “leaders” know this, and they use this idea and other nonsensicle crap to control the masses and make the followers OBEY…”you must bow down in the presence of the lord, for he is an angry god, and you were born a sinner and you will burn in hell…etc. etc. etc. ad nauseum…
…whew, just think about how exciting and wonderful it is for you to suddenly realize and then know that YOU are GOD….just like me and everyone else…and guess what…another lie
…the TRUTH does NOT hurt…well, it only hurts those that don’t want to accept this truth, and of course it is painful to realize…only momentarily…that you are wrong…
…hey y’all, remember this…shit and two is eight and a fart’s a fraction, and ENJOY your new knowledge… and what GOD actually told Jesus and Buddha and Mohamed, and all of the rest of those that were sent to help us figure this wonderful life out…BE HERE NOW…
…not
BOW KNEE HERE…
OMG i am so sick of all this Bullshit bombing Its time we hit em where it hurts….. they are nothing more than animals..
hehe, guys I know ur just joking. That is just harsh and would be un productive. But seriously, you think god would let his house get bombed? There is a actually a whole chapter in the quran, called fil, The “Elephant”.
This Sura, or chapter, as its name indicates, refers to the well-known historical event that happened in the year of the birth of the holy Prophet (p.b.u.h.), when Allah protected the Ka ba against the attack of the army of pagans who, riding on the backs of elephants, came from Yemen intending to destroy it.
This Sura is a recollection of the miraculous event which many people of Mecca remember, because it happened not so long ago.
Its remembrance is a warning against the proud, arrogant pagans to make them aware that they have no power to stand in the way of the Power of Allah, who destroyed that great army of elephants by little, tiny birds who pelted them with small ‘stones of petrified clay’, and He can punish these stubborn oppressors, too.
Their equipment was no more than that of Abrahah nor did the number of their fighters match his. In other words, they had seen that event with their own eyes and, yet, were so arrogant.