Here’s a hypothetical: After tomorrow, it’s 269 electoral votes for each candidate, with a decisive victory in each state such that none are a dispute. Bush won the popular vote for what that’s worth (first candidate to get over 50% since Bush the elder). The decision of the presidency would go to the Republican Congress, who then reelects Bush.
So, would the left claim another stolen election, or would they use some other rhetoric? Any change if Kerry won the popular vote?
I think they’ll just say Bush stole the election, as, historically, the left has a very limited vocabulary (e.g. “No blood for oil!” and “It’s just a tax cut for the rich!”).
What do you think?
Hah! First
That’s the one thing Dimo’s are good at, coming up with catchy whines when they don’t get what they want, or think they deserve.
Kerry should not, could not, will not,is not going to win in any aspect. Just so I can laugh at the whiney crybaby losers! BWHAHAHAHAHA
Congress stole the election! It’s got a nice ring to it. Almost as good as “He was elected by the Supreme Court!” It’s not as if the angry left is smart enough to grasp the concept of “facts.”
The consitution mislead us into electing the wrong man.
constitution
No, you are missing the dems plan. This year it’s all about disenfranchisement and voter intimidation. When Bush gets more votes than Kerry, it will be because the man kept the brothers from going to the polls. They need this spin to explain why Bush is going to get more votes from blacks this time than in 2000. If all the good democrat Kerry supporting African-Americans had been allowed to vote, then Bush would have lost by a landslide. And then they have a rallying campaign cry for Shrillary in 2008, when she becomes the first black woman President, in the tradition of her husband the first black President. Get it?
The quick answer: obviously yes, but that’s not the real question.
If your hypothetical situation does turn out, it will be a chance once and for all to see how gullible (or not) We The People are. Of course the Dems would claim that “Bush stole the election”; it’s in their nature to make reckless false charges. The real question is this: who will believe it? And how many of them?
Since we already know how the Democrats will act in any losing case, the post-election won’t be a test for them; it will be a test for us (by which I mean Americans in general; IMAO readers will pass the test with flying colors).
The slow witted Dems will say “Bush stole it again”. The smarter Dems will say “It was all Carl Rove”. The above average IQ Dems will vote Bush.
I don’t see it shaking out that way, but yeah, the dems are limited to only things that’ll fit on a bumper sticker.
I think it’s more likely we’re going to see Floria-style messes in all the swing state though.
Or FloriDa-style messes, as it were.
P.I.M.F!
If Bush wins the popular vote, it’s hard to see how this could be an issue. Congress would just be rubber-stamping what the people want (and I suspect a lot of Dems would vote for Bush just because they don’t want to be portrayed as partisan–“he voted what the party wanted, not what the people wanted”–in the next election).
Now, if Bush loses the popular vote, we got a 1876-style crisis on our hands…
“Bush bought the election!”
If Bush wins, by an inch or a mile, the Democrats are going to do everything they can to cast a pall of illegitimacy over his administration. As is evident from the campaign, there are no depths which the Left will leave unplumbed.
I don’t know what the whiny Dems would do.. But I’ll guarantee that it rhymes.
Selected vs elected.
For some reason dems have to have things rhyme so they soaks into their puny brains.
If not rhyme, then it will be something to do with feelings…..
In this doomsday scenario, exactly how many congressional delegations does each party control? Remember, a vote on a tie would be 1 vote per state. For example, here in Arkansas, the election will likely go to the Presidnet. However, our Congressional delegation is 3 Dems and 1 Rep in the House and 2 Dems in the Senate, so the votes in each chamber would go to Kerry and Edwards respectively.
I don’t know the answer, that’s why I am asking.
For some reason dems have to have things rhyme so they soaks into their puny brains.
Wow….. what English…..
Sorry… (I’m really not a DEM!!!)
I think they will want to do paper, scissors, rock not realizing you can use dynamite (only once) and it wins. Buncha dumbasses.
Steve:
The House delegation of each State gets one vote. The Senate votes only for the Vice President. It is conceivable but unlikely that we could have a President from one party and a VP from another.
By states, Republicans have a huge majority in the house. Consider that California only gets one vote, just like South Dakota.
The VP choice is a big mistake being perpetrated by the MSM. The House picks the President, and the President then picks his own VP, who is only ratified by the Senate. So the Senate really has next to noting to do with anything (as it should be).
The libs have had 4 years to work themselves into a frothing at the mouth frenzy. If Bush wins, I expect some rioting, and more of the same rhetoric.
If Kerry wins… OMG, don’t make me think about that scenario. He’s a traitor.
I’m with Princess K. There would be riots and I would get to break out my hippy beating stick. Woohoo!
i gave up thinking, thanks. i feel much better as a braindead zombie.
Even if Bush wins with 55% of the vote they will scream “stolen election”. I know it seems far fetched and illgocial, but WHAT, name a single thing, that has been logical from the left this entire election cycle?
The left would be screaming ‘recount’ if W had 100% of the vote… they’re sore losers and they can’t stand not being in control.
As I am on a college campus, there’d be a lot of hippies for me to beat if there are riots. I may have to run out and get spare hippie beating sticks.
make the take the “global test”. and who ever fails.. wins.. i dont want some french guy electing my president
Gullyborg, you’re actually quite wrong – any replacement VP’s are merely vetted by the Senate, but the original coming out of the election has the Senate as a tiebreaker for the Electoral College.
As for who wins the House vote, I know this is a bad metric, but Bush is leading in 28 states to Kerry’s 20, with 2 tied(and this from a site that’s calling Kerry to get 298), so Bush would almost certainly win the tiebreaker. That said, I’m not expecting a tie – the odds are only a few percent – though it’s good to know that we probably have that case covered.
I have a question. Does anyone else suspect anything with Arafat getting sick? Maybe I’m paranoid but I suspected as soon as I heard he was “deathly” ill that it was a ruse to be able to get his sorry ass out of Israel before the US Elections as he knows a major terrorist action is going to take place. I mean he ordered it so surely he would know and wants to be in a Country like France which will protect his sorry butt. If he had stayed in Israel they would have just blown his butt away when it happens. I think something big is going to happen this week either here or Israel and of course if i happens in Israel and Kerry is elected then Kerry would never condone Israel taking action for the incident. Thinking about it it makes sense now the action will take place in Israel as Arafat knows Kerry would help to protect him if he is in France since Kerry loves everything Frenmch so much and wants to build a “relatuionship”. Which you can read as he would bend over for France.
I should have been more clear. It sounded like I was saying the Senate doesn’t pick the VP. Actually, they can. But… The Senate won’t pick the VP.
It takes 2/3 of the Senate to show up and vote for VP. You know that the democRats will just stay home and keep it from reaching the floor. The House can’t do that, because the people would storm the capitol with pitchforks and torches. But the outgoing dems, led by lame duck Daschle, would make a symbolic gesture by stopping Cheney from being re-elected. So W would have to wait until January and nominate him to the full body.
Rush Limbaugh spoke of this today and said if it did indeed happen the Libs could blame him and that he’d be more than happy to take ’em on!
i think it would be the exact moment the Martians intend on taking over the world.
(And I’m sure the Dems, with Michael Moore’s camera already prepped, would believe as such. Is there any other tactic they haven’t tried yet?)
you, the thing is, regardless of what the dems say about who stole the election, the president was never intended to be elected anywhere but in the house. the two party system has furthered the fallacy that the president is elected by the people. the founders had designed a system which they thought would always go to the house. no one was ever intended to win the majority of the electoral votes. its not possible unless there are only two real candidates. toss a third party in where they are able to pick up a state or two, and the chances of one of the other two parties getting the majority is nil. they cry ‘cheat’ we point to the constitution. if they continue to say assinine things, then we whack em upside the head with big pieces of wood.
I called it 10 days ago: The Republicans Stole The Election!
http://www.houseofthedog.com/2004/10/the_republicans.html
If Bush wins, he stole the election one way or the other. If Kerry wins, it was in spite of the efforts of the Republicans to disenfranchise and mislead voters. The scenario itself doesn’t matter.
BUSH —–> 0
0 0
If you can’t figure this out, there’s no hope in understanding the Constitution.
I’m hoping for an exact repeat. Bush wins electoral, loses the popular. woo hoo!
then we can sit back and watch the wheels come off! weeee!
I’d expect rioting at campuses and in major urban areas in that scenario. The college kids will be cowed within 2 days, returning to their PlayStations; the rioting in urban areas would mushroom, much like the King riots in LA, from a political riot to an all-out robbery spree by people who could give a rat’s ass about the election and will die down in a week. Korean grocers would be held responsible and reviled throughout the land.
Dems would hold protests throughout the United States, claiming election fraud. Although unlikely to happen, I would fervently hope that protest met riot at some point in the process, knocking some sense into the protesters’ heads that their party includes a bunch of unsavory characters who like nothing better than to literally “knock heads”. Those protesters will later include at least one author who will document his/her disillusionment with leftism and his/her awakening to how they were played as tools (kinda like Horowitz). One other protester-author will pen a bestselling novel of eroticism and sassy humor on the “front lines”. The rioters will magically become riot-cops and an underdog Black hero will die in a real tearjerker of a moment.
After the melee winds down, on Innaguration Day President Bush will rip off his “human” mask and reveal himself to be the very spawn of Satan himself and Dick Cheney will perform wanton sexual acts upon the newly revealed Dark Lord in the presence of the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court and an audience of millions. Then everyone will retire to the banquet room to snack on fried goat. With hot sauce. Yum!
If your scenario occurs, the Dems will surely cry foul, theft, etc., blah, blah, blah.
My only hope is that this time my party does NOT stand by & let them have a fit.
In 2000, we let them scream theft without answering the charge.
4 years later it’s the conventional wisdom – even though it was Gore who was trying to steal the election and all we did was prevent it.
If they do this crap again, we need to call them on it – call them whiners, losers, tell them they only get one attempted theft of an election per century, something!!!!
But don’t stand quietly by & let them rant.
It’s just going to be that Bush stole the election. Jeb helped him in florida. Republicans took black people’s vote away. Republicans are chasing old people away from the polls. Republicans are holding guns to the heads of people voting. Republicans are holding people hostage. Republicans are disenfranchising (mind you that’s not a word, it’s just plain disfranchising, silly news people, even word2003 says it’s right). Republicans are evil. Republicans want your children to die.
I’m tired of it. I admit there are those republicans that are doing that, but you know, there are just as many democrats doing it to bush supporters.
Doesn’t it make you wonder why democrats have to get uneducated people, crimials (who, mind you are not allowed to vote), and foreginers to vote for their candidate… just a thought…
269-269 is possible , but it requires we lose HI and Fla and win in WI.
If this Split Happens we are standing by in Texas to Secede from the Union And Form Our Own Nation.
The United Muslim Hunting State of Texas
Is it time to cull the herd?
I’m just askin’.
Osama bin Laden lives. He has threatened terrorist attacks on any Red State. Will you make peace with this killer? Your vote makes this decision.
Half of this nation supports our President. Yet, half wish “For Peace in our time.” A noble ambition but it did not work for Neville Chamberlain it will not work today. Peace is earned with sacrifice. You cannot negotiate with Osama bin Laden. He must die or be captured.
Give in to Osama bin Laden and some day he may tell you when to rise each day, when to pray, and what you will think. Have the terrorists’ insurgents that kill our soldiers in Iraq threatened our nation on our soil? No, they do not have the men, the material, the strategy, or the funding.
Osama bin Laden evaded our military not because of out sourcing but because he is a superior opponent with the funding and resources to evade the most sophisticated technological fighting force in history. Hitler and Saddam Hussein abused drugs and alcohol. Both were megalomaniacs with psychotic delusions. It took five years to defeat Hitler and over a year to find Saddam. Osama bin Laden does not have these vices and he is not insane. He is just a killer.
This is a World War. It is not Vietnam. We must finish the liberation and restoration of Iraq. Our Military Forces want President Bush to see this through to the end. This is their choice. Will you deny them? Those that have given their life deserve this hard fought peace. And yet what is your reply? Are you on the front line? Your vote must reflect our nations support of winning this War. We cannot and must not change our Commander in Chief.
We should respect the wishes of those that are on the front line. Do the right thing finish and this War. Let those who are fighting and dying have their say. Your vote is your voice.
I’ve only got one thing to say, “it’s all Carl Rove’s doing, yup, he’s definately the one behind this.”
Wow, Im amazed at how moronic some of you sound. You should spend more time reading books then spouting rhetoric.
How about this, lets nuke the midwest and accept that large groups of subsidised professionals shouldn’t be voting because they don’t have the know-with-all to move their professional knowledge forward.
I wish it was “Blood for Oil”
we’d have more of their blood spilt and more of their oil @ $15 a barrel
Yesterday I looked at some Democratic blogs just to see what they are saying.
They are already saying that if Bush wins he stole the election; if Kerry wins that’s what the people want.
In general, one doesn’t see the same bias on Republican sites. They say the vote will decide.
This difference is one of the more frightening aspects of the current Democratic party.
If your prediction is right, the cry will be for us to let the new congress vote, not the current congress. In the meantime, several RINO’s will jump ship – giving the Dems a decisive win. I like Kim du Toit’s prediction much better.
Could somebody fact-check this for me — I hear a rumor that there’s districts in Wisconsin and Minnesota where there are more registered voters than people, including kids.
Make no mistake after the hanging chads game — the Democrats’ definition of a “stolen election” is an election that they were not able to steal.
Here’re my thoughts*: if Bush wins by less than, oh let’s say 99%, I think I’ll scream that he won through Rove’s dirty tricks. Bring on the ogre army!… er, I mean, the lawyers. If Kerry wins, whatever the numbers are doesn’t matter — fair is fair, ya’ll; the people have spoken!
Capitalist_B: Just about every voting district in the country has more registered than eligible voters, and many have more reg. than their actual population. This is because federal election law does not allow the removal of a voter who has moved for, it’s like 2 or 3 years, I can’t remember exactly. So if you have a district with a high population turnover, like a college town, military base, some factory towns, etc., you could probably get some pretty suspicious looking voter lists. (Most of the wonks onsite at the polling places actually know this, but they like to play the “numbers scandal” up for the media, so they act all ignorant and indignant. Ticks me off…
*I’m a semi-liberal democrat with conservative republican leanings. Note the lower case letters. And I don’t have a Playstation, I hate patchouli, and I bathe regularly (I even shave my legs and all!).