Now just you wait a minute! Frank is right. I don’t like cussin’ or nudity, but one thing I loves is some violence in my movies. Especially the shootin’ kind of violence, but I’ll take swords and stuff, too.
Just saw the film this weekend. Made me wish I was a Spartan, so I could spear some boy-f***ing liberal Athenians and many poorly-endowed Persians – Iranians – Arabs. Makes me want to go to museumreplicas.com and buy a Greek spearhead, spear butcap, and use them to adjust my bo-staff to a proper weapon. Then I could walk a few blocks from here and go menace the towelheads and towelettes on Atlantic Avenue in Brooklyn. Let ’em know that real men hate Arabs.
I took a leak twice during “300”. That’s because, like “Lord of The Rings”, I knew whatever I missed I would see a half-dozen more times.
Visually, I was over this movie after twenty minutes. And since the plot consisted of “We will conquer you!” “Oh no you won’t!”, there wasn’t a lot left. Even the gore, with the muted colors and comic-book look, was dull.
As far as political allegory, it is so ham-fistedly right-wing that it just might be lefty satire, though I don’t think that was the intent. The “Nazi Lite” society of “Starship Troopers” still stands as the right-wing wet dream, transcending the makers’ lefty satire intent.
At least sarahK’s version would’ve had a few laughs…
//Visually, I was over this movie after twenty minutes.//
BunkerDude, are you attention deficit??? This movie was the most viciously beautiful movie I’VE EVER SEEN! Maybe it the latent Marine down deep inside me (and being a chick, that just sounds yummy) but I never wanted to learn how to kill bad guys with my bare hands so much as when I saw this movie. Yeah, I coulda done with out the nudity, but the killing was AWESOME!!!
The “Nazi Lite” society of “Starship Troopers” still stands as the right-wing wet dream, transcending the makers’ lefty satire intent.
Oh, you mean in the same way that Orwell’s prophetic views of socialism and leftism in 1984 and Animal Farm were actually a scathing indictment of corporativism?
Troll. Brush your teeth!!
(Also, before claiming Heinlein was a leftist, it would be better if you informed yourself. Deaf ears, I know.)
First of all, FRANCESCO, the movie “Starship Troopers” has next to nothing to do with Heinlein’s “Starship Trooper”. I was referring for the most part to director Paul Verhoeven, who said in interviews he was out to spoof America’s love of violence and jingoism. This is ground he’d already covered in films like “Total Recall” and “RoboCop”.
Secondly, if you don’t recognize “Starship Troopers” as lefty satire, you’re a dope. Yet it STILL works as a right-wing wet dream. Sometimes the artist’s work transcends his original intent, like Springsteen’s “Born in The USA” or Mellencamp’s “Pink Houses”, which have somehow come to be viewed as patriotic songs. Look at the lyrics – they’re anything but.
Thirdly, I understand the term “Nazi Lite” sets off troll alarms, but the term fits, and I don’t use it as an indictment, but as a genuine endorsement. If this country wants to sustain, let alone win, the War on Terror, then we have to start winning the hearts and minds of AMERICANS.
Back in WW II we understood this, and set Frank Capra to direct the brilliant “Why We Fight” series. Sure it was propaganda, but it was also TRUE. The two are not mutually exclusive.
Even as recently as Gulf War I, Schwarzkopf & Co. knew enough to keep a hostile media away from the action, and only show them what he wanted them to see. Today, we embed reporters with troops in a vain attempt to create camaraderie. The result? Dead reporters and their living colleagues more determined than ever to undermine our efforts.
Hey, call me a fascist, but “Starship Troopers” shows THE way to fight The War At Home. Bush, Gates, The Pentagon and everyone else invoved in the war would do well to have a look at it.
THEY’LL KEEP FIGHTING – AND THEY’LL WIN!
SERVICE GUARANTEES CITIZENSHIP!
The whole “Starship Troopers” thing was based on the Greek idea that citizens fought. In Athens there was NO universal sufferage. In fact, prior to the Periclean reforms, only those who could afford a panoply (Greek armor) and were willing to fight in the infantry could vote. As Athens was a slave-based society, 3/4 of those living within the city-state were slaves. Of the remaining 1/4 half were women and so ineligable to vote. Of the remainder about a 1/10 could afford a panoply. This meant that Athenian democracy allowed about 1 in 100 of the people actually living in the realm’s border to vote. Not bad for a direct democracy (ahem).
Pericles, during the Peloponesian War, extended the vote to those willing to fight at sea (and, it is believed by some, to those willing to provide support to the army by building walls and to mercenaries). Again, even with this reform, the maximum number of people living in Athens and its territory that could be eligable to vote was limited to 1/4 of its total demographics.
I wonder sometimes if we should apply a similar practise. No fight, no vote. Or, as the Founding Fathers said: no land, no vote. People with a vested interest in their nation will make better decisions that those who cater to the hoi polloi.
LOL!
Actually, the only thing she doesn’t object to is violence.
I still need to see that movie…
Now just you wait a minute! Frank is right. I don’t like cussin’ or nudity, but one thing I loves is some violence in my movies. Especially the shootin’ kind of violence, but I’ll take swords and stuff, too.
Frank, Fred Thompson demands that all people worthy of living see 300.
Just saw the film this weekend. Made me wish I was a Spartan, so I could spear some boy-f***ing liberal Athenians and many poorly-endowed Persians – Iranians – Arabs. Makes me want to go to museumreplicas.com and buy a Greek spearhead, spear butcap, and use them to adjust my bo-staff to a proper weapon. Then I could walk a few blocks from here and go menace the towelheads and towelettes on Atlantic Avenue in Brooklyn. Let ’em know that real men hate Arabs.
I took a leak twice during “300”. That’s because, like “Lord of The Rings”, I knew whatever I missed I would see a half-dozen more times.
Visually, I was over this movie after twenty minutes. And since the plot consisted of “We will conquer you!” “Oh no you won’t!”, there wasn’t a lot left. Even the gore, with the muted colors and comic-book look, was dull.
As far as political allegory, it is so ham-fistedly right-wing that it just might be lefty satire, though I don’t think that was the intent. The “Nazi Lite” society of “Starship Troopers” still stands as the right-wing wet dream, transcending the makers’ lefty satire intent.
At least sarahK’s version would’ve had a few laughs…
you like violence…..but not nudity..what a heathen! Man I am glad I am not a Christian….too much guilt! LOL
//Visually, I was over this movie after twenty minutes.//
BunkerDude, are you attention deficit??? This movie was the most viciously beautiful movie I’VE EVER SEEN! Maybe it the latent Marine down deep inside me (and being a chick, that just sounds yummy) but I never wanted to learn how to kill bad guys with my bare hands so much as when I saw this movie. Yeah, I coulda done with out the nudity, but the killing was AWESOME!!!
First of all, FRANCESCO, the movie “Starship Troopers” has next to nothing to do with Heinlein’s “Starship Trooper”. I was referring for the most part to director Paul Verhoeven, who said in interviews he was out to spoof America’s love of violence and jingoism. This is ground he’d already covered in films like “Total Recall” and “RoboCop”.
Secondly, if you don’t recognize “Starship Troopers” as lefty satire, you’re a dope. Yet it STILL works as a right-wing wet dream. Sometimes the artist’s work transcends his original intent, like Springsteen’s “Born in The USA” or Mellencamp’s “Pink Houses”, which have somehow come to be viewed as patriotic songs. Look at the lyrics – they’re anything but.
Thirdly, I understand the term “Nazi Lite” sets off troll alarms, but the term fits, and I don’t use it as an indictment, but as a genuine endorsement. If this country wants to sustain, let alone win, the War on Terror, then we have to start winning the hearts and minds of AMERICANS.
Back in WW II we understood this, and set Frank Capra to direct the brilliant “Why We Fight” series. Sure it was propaganda, but it was also TRUE. The two are not mutually exclusive.
Even as recently as Gulf War I, Schwarzkopf & Co. knew enough to keep a hostile media away from the action, and only show them what he wanted them to see. Today, we embed reporters with troops in a vain attempt to create camaraderie. The result? Dead reporters and their living colleagues more determined than ever to undermine our efforts.
Hey, call me a fascist, but “Starship Troopers” shows THE way to fight The War At Home. Bush, Gates, The Pentagon and everyone else invoved in the war would do well to have a look at it.
THEY’LL KEEP FIGHTING – AND THEY’LL WIN!
SERVICE GUARANTEES CITIZENSHIP!
The whole “Starship Troopers” thing was based on the Greek idea that citizens fought. In Athens there was NO universal sufferage. In fact, prior to the Periclean reforms, only those who could afford a panoply (Greek armor) and were willing to fight in the infantry could vote. As Athens was a slave-based society, 3/4 of those living within the city-state were slaves. Of the remaining 1/4 half were women and so ineligable to vote. Of the remainder about a 1/10 could afford a panoply. This meant that Athenian democracy allowed about 1 in 100 of the people actually living in the realm’s border to vote. Not bad for a direct democracy (ahem).
Pericles, during the Peloponesian War, extended the vote to those willing to fight at sea (and, it is believed by some, to those willing to provide support to the army by building walls and to mercenaries). Again, even with this reform, the maximum number of people living in Athens and its territory that could be eligable to vote was limited to 1/4 of its total demographics.
I wonder sometimes if we should apply a similar practise. No fight, no vote. Or, as the Founding Fathers said: no land, no vote. People with a vested interest in their nation will make better decisions that those who cater to the hoi polloi.