I would like to see them lose their jobs, and then be strung up by the thumbs in front of the Arab media while they admit how what they did was wrong and why.
Then put them before the families of the dead for another form of punishment (the families chose what kind of punishment)
that would be good for me.
Don’t worry folks sooner or later someone will say it was Karl Rove or Haliburton. Me I’m just having fun driving my SUV and boat on all that cheap Iraqi oil. Newsweek lied, people died, but liberals won’t care because the MSM is eleitist, like them.
The most disturbing thing is that people still read that liberal mag. What are the odds of an arab picking up that issue? As for punishment they should be beaten to inch of their lives with a wet (smelly)Qur’an. Oh That’s right muslims, you better put the “U” after the “Q” you all saw what happened to Iraq(u).
The fact that the Gitmo interrogators threw Korans into toilet buckets is abominable. The story (as reported by the New York Times, the Philadelphia Inquirer, the BBC, and now Newsweek) is truly sickening. And to think that the story, as reported over Voice of America, has led to the deaths of so many folks, is truly astounding. George Bush is a War Criminal who should be given a fair trial, then sentenced to life in prison.
Torture is no way to make friends and influence people, you idiots.
Only cowards and liberals are unwilling to enlist? Which one are you?
It is telling that the conservative magazine Newsweek didn’t retract the story. They apologized for having told the truth. They never once said that they made it up, or that it was false.
It seems that the conservative-controlled MSM ran that story specifically to instigate riots in arab nations and to inflame anti-American hatred so as to provide President Cheney with justificatio for the slaughtering of more Muslims. But that’s just my Humble Opinion
I actually heard that it was the Muslims that did it. We are required to give them copies of the Qu’ran, and they used the pages to block up the toilets, because it makes us angry.
I call for Jihad, against the Guantanamo detainees, by the Muslims!!!
Well, yeah. The MSM is conservative. The faceless megaconglomerates that own the MSM outlets are all owned and operated by conservative Bush supporters. Sure, the reporters themselves might have voted for the Democratic candidate, but their controllers, that is the editors and publishers are all conservative Bush voters.
It’s pretty obvious when one looks at it objectively. What people label as ‘liberal bias’ is merely history and context. If Newsweek were actually liberal, there never would have been any kind of retraction.
The news stories that are attacked the most ferociously are exactly the ones that attempt at providing history and context to their reports. Media outlets are pasted with the slur ‘liberal bias’ only when they do not follow the right-wing extremist talking points; when they attempt to tell the full story and not just some myopic, John Birch quarter-truth.
I’m 39, old enough to remember when there was no bias in the news, when reporters did not intertwine political commentaries into their reports, when the news media were small money-losing appendages to the big entertainment networks. Then the right-wing extremists bought them and turned them into entertainment outlets in their own right. Now ‘fair and balanced’ means right-wing extremist jingoism.
One more example: The other day I saw a front-page New York Times article about somebody that is trying to build an oil refinery in Arizona. The article described how hard this was for him and decried environmentalists that were trying to prevent his venture from moving forward. The article was ripping on liberals. How can anybody seriously claim that the NYTimes is liberal?!
If it actually was liberal, then they would have provided history and context: the reporter would have said that the major oil companies have torn down 80% of all refineries n the US over the past 30 years so as to artificially drive up gas prices through the economics of supply and demand. There used to be hundreds of refineries in southern California, but not any more.
I feel like Winston Smith sometimes: am I the ONLY person that remembers the past? Am I the only person that see centrist conservative selective reporting pasted as ‘liberal bias’?
Sure there are liberal media: The Nation, Mother Jones, Amy Goodman, Air America. But their Audience is too small to fall under the rubric of ‘MSM’. They are not widely circulated enough to be ‘Mainstream’.
When I watch MSNBCNNFNC, I see bobble-headed centrist yes-men agreeing with shrill-screeching right-wing extremists. There are NO liberals left on TV anymore (especially now that Bill Moyers has retired…). I see the MSM lurch from one non-story (new pope) to another (runaway bride) to another (jackson trial) rather than covering actual news. Nothing liberal there. I see the MSM trying to outdo each other in calling for the mass execution of liberals.
If the media was biased towards liberalism, we would have heard about former Texas governor Bush’s Kill The Poor law; how, at the same time the executive branch was attempting to grab power from the other two branches of government using Schiavo as it’s excuse, hospitals in the state of Texas were pulling life-support on those that can’t afford to pay. Where was the MSM then? Why wasn’t that a full-time story?
Why isn’t the executive branch power grab exposed for what it truly is? Why aren’t the attacks on the independence of the Judiciary exposed for what they truly are? Why isn’t the blatant hypocrisy of right-wing extremism exposed every single day? Please don’t forward the lie that the ‘MSM’ is ‘liberal’ because it just isn’t.
Firesign Theater said it best in the 70s…”Dogs flew spaceships, the Aztecs invented the vacation, and everything you know is wrong!” That is the Main Stream Media today. Don Henley knew that they were just out for “Dirty Laundry”. And of course Frank Zappa, God rest his soul, knew that all of this drivel was just “The slime oozing out of our TV sets”.
MJB
Robin:
A good effort. I liked the “Bush as Cheney’s puppet” meme from the first post. I haven’t seen that in a while, and I kind of miss it. Some pointers:
1. You never mentioned Karl Rove. In these things, you should always mention Karl Rove.
2. You mentioned the evil oil corporations, but you didn’t note that this is a war about oil. That is a shocking omission.
On the positive side, I liked the “sell less oil and make more money” part. I haven’t seen that brand of economic cluelessness for a while. Well done!
Thanks for your imitation of a humorless, shrill lefty. Overall, I give it a B+.
Robin:
What no Bush*t ChimpyMcHitler aka “Commander CookooBananas”? Also you forgot to mention that the corporations are all part of a vast zionist conspiracy, led by PNAC, the trilateral comission and Neocons. We are through the looking glass here people.
P.S. The Simspons have apparently joined the darkside. They are still funny though. A non-political / religious one would be nice though.
PPS Reverse Vampires!!! Ahhhh!!!
Ben Pseudonym:
The recent aircraft intercepotion near washington gives an indication that Bush is not in any wayh in charge of anything. The White House themselves tell us that Bush was never told of the impending doom of his wife, that there was a discussion on shooting down the aircraft and that Bush was never a part of that decision.
How can that possibly be? One would expect that the Leader of the Free World would have been told immediately that his wife at least, as well as the rest of the Capitol, was in mortal peril, and that said Leader would have been in charge of making life and death decisions regarding the disposition of that aircraft.
That the White House tells us that he was NEVER interrupted indicates (but does not prove) that he is NOT a part of any decision making process.
Am I wrong? If so, how? Would you argue that the Actual President has no input on such defensive matters?
I never mentioned oil companies.
But now that YOU mention it, it goes without saying that the timing of Bush’s 2002 decision to invade Ira, regardless of any pretext for instigating a war of aggression (the reason we hung the nazi’s after Nuremburg), came right after former ally Hussein threatened to sell Iraqi in oil in Euros rather than dollars and that Iraq is the second largest proven oil reserves in the world.
But you guys already know all that.
I read my posts and I never referred to “On the positive side, I liked the “sell less oil and make more money” part. I haven’t seen that brand of economic cluelessness for a while. Well done!”
So I don’t know what are talking about there.
And with regards to “Thanks for your imitation of a humorless, shrill lefty.” I don’t see anything humorous about sending my friends and neighbors into Iraq. Sorry, not funny at all…
The Simpsons have ALWAYS been liberal, as have Firesign Theater and Frank Zappa…
You kids are too young to remember this, but back when the Simpsons first came on Bush 1 said in a StateOfTheUnion address (on Tuesday), “We need people to be more like the Waltons than the Simpsons”.
That very Thursday (just two days later) before the show started, there was a short clip of the Simpsons watching their TV and in it was a live-action Bush saying that line. Bart turned to Homer and said, “I don’t get it. Why is the president picking on us? We’re praying for an end to this depression just like everyone else!”
I don’t suppose any of you care to actually address what I am saying, rather than just making know-nothing attacks that are standard form of right-wing extremists?
Didn’t think so.
If it actually was liberal, then they would have provided history and context: the reporter would have said that the major oil companies have torn down 80% of all refineries n the US over the past 30 years so as to artificially drive up gas prices through the economics of supply and demand. There used to be hundreds of refineries in southern California, but not any more.
Then Robin said:
I read my posts and I never referred to “On the positive side, I liked the “sell less oil and make more money” part. I haven’t seen that brand of economic cluelessness for a while. Well done!”
So I don’t know what are talking about there.
Very nice! Say it, and then deny it! Absolutely classic! That’s A grade material there.
More Robin:
I don’t suppose any of you care to actually address what I am saying, rather than just making know-nothing attacks that are standard form of right-wing extremists?
Didn’t think so.
Utterly humorless self importance posted as a comment to a humor website. A definite A+. See, it’s not that hard to improve.
Ah, yes. I missed that. I am busy editing a ton of video (all dealing with nuclear weapons) and mounting it on a website, running three different programs at once. No, wait that’s four programs (Final Cut, cleaner6, Fetch and Firefox) And I made an assumption as to what you were referring to.
Mea Culpa. (Listening to hours of video from ambassadors of all nations talking about nuclear weapons and instant annihilation tends to drain the humor from even the best of us…)
I don’t exect any of you to know that the US and Russia still have 8000 nuclear weapons (combined) on hair-trigger alert aimed at each other’s cities, ready to launch within 90 seconds?
Robin seems to find a whole lot of things morally objectionable (Bush, nukes, right-wing water fowl, etc). This is amusing because, according to Obi-Wan, only conservatives…sorry, I meant Sith, think in absolutes. So that means Robin must not absolutely think that these things are morally objectionable, right? Unless he’s a Sith, of course. But in that case, he wouldn’t care about any of that stuff. He’d be one of us horrible polluting undiversified (except when it comes to firearms; LOVE the T-shirt!) jingoistic chauvinistic speciesistic…did I leave out any ‘istics’?
Doc
Okay Robin,
Reply #1: Only concerns the post about aircraft interception.
You are twisting the facts to a large degree. In my humble opinion, a Cessna is not an extremely dangerous airplane. It could do damage to people on the ground outside if it crashed into them, but hardly to anyone else. Had it been close enough to the White House to be a danger, the SS agents with their RPGs would have blown it out of the sky, leaving it as a molten heap on the lawn. Had it made it to the building, I have no doubt that the First Lady had been taken to the interior to the building by that time, and possibly to the bunker. The same applies to the capitol building. It is very thick, and a plane would never make it into any of the main rooms. There are probably government agents with the same RPGs here, though I cannot be certain. I don’t know if this may be difficult for you to understand, but the government profiles. Had it been an airliner barrelling into Washington, it would have been blown out of the sky had it not turned after the first warning. Do you have any idea how much bad PR the president would have gotten for blowing a little Cessna and a student pilot into oblivion.
There is a good reason they didnt fire on it, because it would have been more of a threat falling to the ground and crashing after being hit than if the government took time to make sure it was really hostile. Imagine if someone took a Cessna to the WTC. Wait, thats happened before. It made it into one outer office, and did little else. If someone really wanted to do alot of damage, they could get drunk and drive on the streets. That would have alot more killing potential than a Cessna.
Coming soon, my response to your second (long) response…
Okay, second response.
I dont know too much to say. You think that most media is conservative? You love citing Fox, because it is. Well, you may not want to hear us, but FNC is the only real conservative news organization. Sure, the “fair and balanced” stuff is nonsense, but they are a good news channel. They at least make some effort to invite liberals onto their shows, and though O Reilly usually tears them apart, it shows that they are the most “fair and balanced” channel out there. Almost all of the other news organizations make an active effort to bash republicans, and bash Bush, taking the smallest piece of anti-conservative news and blowing it up into a story not worthy of recognition. Is their anybody, besides Robin who disagrees. Robin may certainly respond, but I think most would agree with me on this point.
Robin,
You are no where near old enough to remember any such thing, just as you are no where near old enough to remember that President Carter began our oil supply problems with policies that kept our oil companies from building enough refineries to use the oil we do have.
FIRST!!!
Drudge did it.
I think…
It’s even more disturbing that the traitors there won’t be put to death.
I would like to see them lose their jobs, and then be strung up by the thumbs in front of the Arab media while they admit how what they did was wrong and why.
Then put them before the families of the dead for another form of punishment (the families chose what kind of punishment)
that would be good for me.
Don’t worry folks sooner or later someone will say it was Karl Rove or Haliburton. Me I’m just having fun driving my SUV and boat on all that cheap Iraqi oil. Newsweek lied, people died, but liberals won’t care because the MSM is eleitist, like them.
The most disturbing thing is that people still read that liberal mag. What are the odds of an arab picking up that issue? As for punishment they should be beaten to inch of their lives with a wet (smelly)Qur’an. Oh That’s right muslims, you better put the “U” after the “Q” you all saw what happened to Iraq(u).
Is it possible that these guys could be developing a very primitive sense of remorse?
Um, the fact that it’s neither new nor phony?
I’ll leave you to cower here, now.
…not like you were going to do anything else, mind you…
The fact that the Gitmo interrogators threw Korans into toilet buckets is abominable. The story (as reported by the New York Times, the Philadelphia Inquirer, the BBC, and now Newsweek) is truly sickening. And to think that the story, as reported over Voice of America, has led to the deaths of so many folks, is truly astounding. George Bush is a War Criminal who should be given a fair trial, then sentenced to life in prison.
Torture is no way to make friends and influence people, you idiots.
Only cowards and liberals are unwilling to enlist? Which one are you?
It is telling that the conservative magazine Newsweek didn’t retract the story. They apologized for having told the truth. They never once said that they made it up, or that it was false.
It seems that the conservative-controlled MSM ran that story specifically to instigate riots in arab nations and to inflame anti-American hatred so as to provide President Cheney with justificatio for the slaughtering of more Muslims. But that’s just my Humble Opinion
yeah, if you ask me, this was literally manslaughter to the 1st.
b.t.w.. where’s our duck today?
If you’re a bonefied computer geek like myself you MUST check out the all new computer geek comic website http://www.circuit-bored.com!!!
That is hilarious Robin! Seriously…the conservative MSM? Priceless.
Conservative MSM? ha. Conservative Newsweek?? ha.ha.
I actually heard that it was the Muslims that did it. We are required to give them copies of the Qu’ran, and they used the pages to block up the toilets, because it makes us angry.
I call for Jihad, against the Guantanamo detainees, by the Muslims!!!
Heh, conservative MSM.
Is that an oxymoron like liberal family values?
Well, yeah. The MSM is conservative. The faceless megaconglomerates that own the MSM outlets are all owned and operated by conservative Bush supporters. Sure, the reporters themselves might have voted for the Democratic candidate, but their controllers, that is the editors and publishers are all conservative Bush voters.
It’s pretty obvious when one looks at it objectively. What people label as ‘liberal bias’ is merely history and context. If Newsweek were actually liberal, there never would have been any kind of retraction.
The news stories that are attacked the most ferociously are exactly the ones that attempt at providing history and context to their reports. Media outlets are pasted with the slur ‘liberal bias’ only when they do not follow the right-wing extremist talking points; when they attempt to tell the full story and not just some myopic, John Birch quarter-truth.
I’m 39, old enough to remember when there was no bias in the news, when reporters did not intertwine political commentaries into their reports, when the news media were small money-losing appendages to the big entertainment networks. Then the right-wing extremists bought them and turned them into entertainment outlets in their own right. Now ‘fair and balanced’ means right-wing extremist jingoism.
One more example: The other day I saw a front-page New York Times article about somebody that is trying to build an oil refinery in Arizona. The article described how hard this was for him and decried environmentalists that were trying to prevent his venture from moving forward. The article was ripping on liberals. How can anybody seriously claim that the NYTimes is liberal?!
If it actually was liberal, then they would have provided history and context: the reporter would have said that the major oil companies have torn down 80% of all refineries n the US over the past 30 years so as to artificially drive up gas prices through the economics of supply and demand. There used to be hundreds of refineries in southern California, but not any more.
I feel like Winston Smith sometimes: am I the ONLY person that remembers the past? Am I the only person that see centrist conservative selective reporting pasted as ‘liberal bias’?
Sure there are liberal media: The Nation, Mother Jones, Amy Goodman, Air America. But their Audience is too small to fall under the rubric of ‘MSM’. They are not widely circulated enough to be ‘Mainstream’.
When I watch MSNBCNNFNC, I see bobble-headed centrist yes-men agreeing with shrill-screeching right-wing extremists. There are NO liberals left on TV anymore (especially now that Bill Moyers has retired…). I see the MSM lurch from one non-story (new pope) to another (runaway bride) to another (jackson trial) rather than covering actual news. Nothing liberal there. I see the MSM trying to outdo each other in calling for the mass execution of liberals.
If the media was biased towards liberalism, we would have heard about former Texas governor Bush’s Kill The Poor law; how, at the same time the executive branch was attempting to grab power from the other two branches of government using Schiavo as it’s excuse, hospitals in the state of Texas were pulling life-support on those that can’t afford to pay. Where was the MSM then? Why wasn’t that a full-time story?
Why isn’t the executive branch power grab exposed for what it truly is? Why aren’t the attacks on the independence of the Judiciary exposed for what they truly are? Why isn’t the blatant hypocrisy of right-wing extremism exposed every single day? Please don’t forward the lie that the ‘MSM’ is ‘liberal’ because it just isn’t.
jimmyb said “an oxymoron like liberal family values?”
Liberals, like me, have families, like I do, and we have values. Nothing oxymoronic about that.
Firesign Theater said it best in the 70s…”Dogs flew spaceships, the Aztecs invented the vacation, and everything you know is wrong!” That is the Main Stream Media today. Don Henley knew that they were just out for “Dirty Laundry”. And of course Frank Zappa, God rest his soul, knew that all of this drivel was just “The slime oozing out of our TV sets”.
MJB
Robin:
A good effort. I liked the “Bush as Cheney’s puppet” meme from the first post. I haven’t seen that in a while, and I kind of miss it. Some pointers:
1. You never mentioned Karl Rove. In these things, you should always mention Karl Rove.
2. You mentioned the evil oil corporations, but you didn’t note that this is a war about oil. That is a shocking omission.
On the positive side, I liked the “sell less oil and make more money” part. I haven’t seen that brand of economic cluelessness for a while. Well done!
Thanks for your imitation of a humorless, shrill lefty. Overall, I give it a B+.
Robin:
What no Bush*t ChimpyMcHitler aka “Commander CookooBananas”? Also you forgot to mention that the corporations are all part of a vast zionist conspiracy, led by PNAC, the trilateral comission and Neocons. We are through the looking glass here people.
P.S. The Simspons have apparently joined the darkside. They are still funny though. A non-political / religious one would be nice though.
PPS Reverse Vampires!!! Ahhhh!!!
Ben Pseudonym:
The recent aircraft intercepotion near washington gives an indication that Bush is not in any wayh in charge of anything. The White House themselves tell us that Bush was never told of the impending doom of his wife, that there was a discussion on shooting down the aircraft and that Bush was never a part of that decision.
How can that possibly be? One would expect that the Leader of the Free World would have been told immediately that his wife at least, as well as the rest of the Capitol, was in mortal peril, and that said Leader would have been in charge of making life and death decisions regarding the disposition of that aircraft.
That the White House tells us that he was NEVER interrupted indicates (but does not prove) that he is NOT a part of any decision making process.
Am I wrong? If so, how? Would you argue that the Actual President has no input on such defensive matters?
I never mentioned oil companies.
But now that YOU mention it, it goes without saying that the timing of Bush’s 2002 decision to invade Ira, regardless of any pretext for instigating a war of aggression (the reason we hung the nazi’s after Nuremburg), came right after former ally Hussein threatened to sell Iraqi in oil in Euros rather than dollars and that Iraq is the second largest proven oil reserves in the world.
But you guys already know all that.
I read my posts and I never referred to “On the positive side, I liked the “sell less oil and make more money” part. I haven’t seen that brand of economic cluelessness for a while. Well done!”
So I don’t know what are talking about there.
And with regards to “Thanks for your imitation of a humorless, shrill lefty.” I don’t see anything humorous about sending my friends and neighbors into Iraq. Sorry, not funny at all…
The Simpsons have ALWAYS been liberal, as have Firesign Theater and Frank Zappa…
You kids are too young to remember this, but back when the Simpsons first came on Bush 1 said in a StateOfTheUnion address (on Tuesday), “We need people to be more like the Waltons than the Simpsons”.
That very Thursday (just two days later) before the show started, there was a short clip of the Simpsons watching their TV and in it was a live-action Bush saying that line. Bart turned to Homer and said, “I don’t get it. Why is the president picking on us? We’re praying for an end to this depression just like everyone else!”
I don’t suppose any of you care to actually address what I am saying, rather than just making know-nothing attacks that are standard form of right-wing extremists?
Didn’t think so.
These “terrorists” will go unpunished.
Robin said:
Then Robin said:
Very nice! Say it, and then deny it! Absolutely classic! That’s A grade material there.
More Robin:
Utterly humorless self importance posted as a comment to a humor website. A definite A+. See, it’s not that hard to improve.
Ah, yes. I missed that. I am busy editing a ton of video (all dealing with nuclear weapons) and mounting it on a website, running three different programs at once. No, wait that’s four programs (Final Cut, cleaner6, Fetch and Firefox) And I made an assumption as to what you were referring to.
Mea Culpa. (Listening to hours of video from ambassadors of all nations talking about nuclear weapons and instant annihilation tends to drain the humor from even the best of us…)
I don’t exect any of you to know that the US and Russia still have 8000 nuclear weapons (combined) on hair-trigger alert aimed at each other’s cities, ready to launch within 90 seconds?
OK, I re-read some posts and found some of it to be amusing.
You want funny?
http://ironictimes.com/
http://whitehouse.org/ and their offspring
http://www.ironhymen.com/
and my favorite blog of all time:
http://rudepundit.blogspot.com/
Why do conservatives hate ‘liberals’ but love humor made by liberals?
Robin, I’m not going to waste my time reading your drivel.
But tell me one thing – is your survival immoral, too?
Oh, and Robin, I have a map of where they’re going to land. Over here, of course.
Duck.
Robin seems to find a whole lot of things morally objectionable (Bush, nukes, right-wing water fowl, etc). This is amusing because, according to Obi-Wan, only conservatives…sorry, I meant Sith, think in absolutes. So that means Robin must not absolutely think that these things are morally objectionable, right? Unless he’s a Sith, of course. But in that case, he wouldn’t care about any of that stuff. He’d be one of us horrible polluting undiversified (except when it comes to firearms; LOVE the T-shirt!) jingoistic chauvinistic speciesistic…did I leave out any ‘istics’?
Doc
“Why do conservatives hate ‘liberals’ but love humor made by liberals?”
HOLY $#%@#!!
…this is a LIBERAL site????
Okay Robin,
Reply #1: Only concerns the post about aircraft interception.
You are twisting the facts to a large degree. In my humble opinion, a Cessna is not an extremely dangerous airplane. It could do damage to people on the ground outside if it crashed into them, but hardly to anyone else. Had it been close enough to the White House to be a danger, the SS agents with their RPGs would have blown it out of the sky, leaving it as a molten heap on the lawn. Had it made it to the building, I have no doubt that the First Lady had been taken to the interior to the building by that time, and possibly to the bunker. The same applies to the capitol building. It is very thick, and a plane would never make it into any of the main rooms. There are probably government agents with the same RPGs here, though I cannot be certain. I don’t know if this may be difficult for you to understand, but the government profiles. Had it been an airliner barrelling into Washington, it would have been blown out of the sky had it not turned after the first warning. Do you have any idea how much bad PR the president would have gotten for blowing a little Cessna and a student pilot into oblivion.
There is a good reason they didnt fire on it, because it would have been more of a threat falling to the ground and crashing after being hit than if the government took time to make sure it was really hostile. Imagine if someone took a Cessna to the WTC. Wait, thats happened before. It made it into one outer office, and did little else. If someone really wanted to do alot of damage, they could get drunk and drive on the streets. That would have alot more killing potential than a Cessna.
Coming soon, my response to your second (long) response…
Okay, second response.
I dont know too much to say. You think that most media is conservative? You love citing Fox, because it is. Well, you may not want to hear us, but FNC is the only real conservative news organization. Sure, the “fair and balanced” stuff is nonsense, but they are a good news channel. They at least make some effort to invite liberals onto their shows, and though O Reilly usually tears them apart, it shows that they are the most “fair and balanced” channel out there. Almost all of the other news organizations make an active effort to bash republicans, and bash Bush, taking the smallest piece of anti-conservative news and blowing it up into a story not worthy of recognition. Is their anybody, besides Robin who disagrees. Robin may certainly respond, but I think most would agree with me on this point.
Again, continuing with my own “Beautify America” campaign, I would like to make a request.
Dear Robin,
Please kill yourself.
-Sincerely,
Adam
Robin,
You are no where near old enough to remember any such thing, just as you are no where near old enough to remember that President Carter began our oil supply problems with policies that kept our oil companies from building enough refineries to use the oil we do have.