Friday Night Open Thread: Was Lincoln a Genius?

All humans agree that slavery is an abomination. (The grey area of wage slavery, we won’t go into at this time.)

Was it a mark of genius on Lincoln’s part to place one thing even higher on the scale of morality, instead of taking the easy route, and simply condemning slavery?

It was the Constitution that he was sworn to protect. It was the union, the notion that the government of the people, etc., should not perish from the earth.

Lincoln’s statement may be equivalent to saying that murderers, stranglers, and wife-beaters must be punished, but only by the system of jury trial — which above all must be preserved.

 

Executive Mansion
Washington, August 22, 1862.

Hon. Horace Greeley:
Dear Sir.

I have just read yours of the 19th. addressed to myself through the New-York Tribune. If there be in it any statements, or assumptions of fact, which I may know to be erroneous, I do not, now and here, controvert them. If there be in it any inferences which I may believe to be falsely drawn, I do not now and here, argue against them. If there be perceptable in it an impatient and dictatorial tone, I waive it in deference to an old friend, whose heart I have always supposed to be right.

As to the policy I “seem to be pursuing” as you say, I have not meant to leave any one in doubt.

I would save the Union. I would save it the shortest way under the Constitution. The sooner the national authority can be restored; the nearer the Union will be “the Union as it was.” If there be those who would not save the Union, unless they could at the same time save slavery, I do not agree with them. If there be those who would not save the Union unless they could at the same time destroy slavery, I do not agree with them. My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that. What I do about slavery, and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save the Union; and what I forbear, I forbear because I do not believe it would help to save the Union. I shall do less whenever I shall believe what I am doing hurts the cause, and I shall do more whenever I shall believe doing more will help the cause. I shall try to correct errors when shown to be errors; and I shall adopt new views so fast as they shall appear to be true views.

I have here stated my purpose according to my view of official duty; and I intend no modification of my oft-expressed personal wish that all men every where could be free.

Yours,
A. Lincoln.

 

In just over five months he issued the Emancipation Proclamation.

Bond Girlathon Friday : Results from 6/12/2026 : New Matches for 6/19/2026

(4) Famke Janssen No Preference Tsai Chin
165 0 21
Karin Dor No Preference Serena Gordon
94 1 76

New Matches for 6/19/2026

 

Match 1

 

(8) Jill St. John (Tiffany Case) vs Michelle Yeoh (Wai Lin)

 

 

Contestant Record Total Scores
(8) Jill St. John 5 – 1 – 0 874 – 5 – 449
Tiffany Case

Actress: Jill St. John
Nationality: American
Bond Movie: Diamonds Are Forever (1971)

Synopsis:

Tiffany Case was a diamond smuggler in part of a pipeline of smugglers that ultimately ended at Ernst Stavro Blofeld. Courier Peter Franks was supposed to pass the diamonds to Tiffany, but Bond intercepted and impersonated Franks, and managed to take the diamonds for himself. Bond’s involvement saved Tiffany being murdered, and she eventually switched to Bond’s allegiance.

Jill St. John

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Contestant Record Total Scores
Michelle Yeoh 3 – 3 – 0 475 – 6 – 698
Wai Lin

Actress: Michelle Yeoh
Nationality: Malaysian
Bond Movie: Tomorrow Never Dies (1997)

Synopsis:

Wai Lin was a Red Chinese agent, and had the same mission as Bond to investigate media magnate Elliot Carver. Carver had been suspected of causing tragic events so that he could get exclusive coverage on them and increase his ratings. Wai Lin was intelligent and worked more cleverly than Bond on several occasions. Eventually they teamed up together and stormed Carver’s stealth ship.

Michelle Yeoh

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Match 2

 

(2) Jacqueline Bisset(Giovanna Goodthighs) vs (1) Teri Hatcher (Paris Carver)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Contestant Record Total Scores
(2) Jacqueline Bisset 6 – 0 – 0 962 – 0 – 244
Giovanna Goodthighs

Miss Goodthighs is a Smersh agent who attempts to kill baccarat master Evelyn Tremble (operating under the alias James Bond 007) at Casino Royale in a bid to prevent him from bankrupting her employer Le Chiffre. She meets him in a hotel room, wearing a nightgown and cradling a large bottle of champagne suggestively in her arms. Despite successfully seducing and poisoning him with a spiked drink, he is rescued by his recruiter and ally Vesper Lynd. When Tremble asks what became of her, Lynd remarks that she “took care of her”.


Jacqueline Bisset

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Contestant Record Total Scores
(1) Teri Hatcher 6 – 0 – 0 1218 – 1 – 237
Paris Carver

Actress: Teri Hatcher
Nationality: American
Bond Movie: Tomorrow Never Dies (1997)

Synopsis:

Paris Carver was an ex-lover of Bond’s, and wife of media mogul Elliot Carver. When Elliot was suspected as a terrorist, M sent Bond to seduce Paris and use his prior relationship to get information. Paris wasn’t happy to see Bond, and refused to help him. However, when Elliot spotted the two talking, and tried to kill Paris, she changed her mind and told Bond everything. She died that evening as Elliot sent henchman Dr. Kaufman to kill her.

Teri Hatcher

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