If you shoved a monkey in a paint can and put that in a paint shaker for twenty minutes, what would eventually emerge from the can would be a more rational decision maker than your average Iowan.
“That guy has a Jesus fish behind him! Let’s vote for him! Hyuk!”
BTW, congratulations on Obama’s win as decided by about as many people as can fit in my living room (though that gathering would probably be more racially diverse).
Anyway, at least the New Hampshire Republican debate will only have the five frontrunners (no Ron Paul distraction!), so hopefully Fred Thompson can drop the hammer on Schmuckabee. When it should be just Republicans voting, why is it such a challenge for a conservative to be elected?
UPDATE:
Vodkapundit’s open letter to Iowa Republicans sums things up pretty well.
(hat tip to reader Anon Y. Mous)
Ha! No Ron Paul at the debate. Does that mean the Ron Paul trolls will disappear too, or will they still be around, gibbering like schizophrenic monkeys? My guess is they’ll still be trolling in force, so I have a message for them in terms they’ll understand:
Dr. Paul, Constitution, illegal war, World Trade Tower 7, only hope, snnrrkkk, bllrrrb, ackkkk, glllrrrr, dooooooooooooooh.
Very nice Ernie Loco. I hoped you wiped yourself off after that.
Stephen Green over at Vodkapundit has an open letter to the cornholers.
We “Paulites” have delegates now 🙂 Guliani doesn’t ;P
Actually Fred has to forget about being sentimental about his pal McCain. Draw him out on illegal immigration. Ask him: “You’re now saying we have to secure the borders first. And after that? What are you insane double-talking MoFo going to do about the aliens? Are they all going to be immediately A-OK to reside in the US even if they don’t aply for citizenship?” Huck the Evolution denying Machiavaellian, forgiver of rapists and killers, tax raising piece of shit will keel over outside of Iowa without anyone’s help.
Most of the independents caucused for the democrats (actually a lot more people overall participated on the Democratic side). So what you had was the people that would never leave the GOP i.e. Evangelicals vote for their guy Huckabee. What this means is you can pretty much count on all the electoral votes in Iowa going to the democrat, no matter who the Republicans nominate. The GOP was kicked in the nuts, the individual candidates don’t matter. The rational Iowans realized what a disaster the republican pary has become.
No. Fred has the right strategy. He isn’t focused on tearing down the competition. Instead, he is promoting what he stands for. There are plenty of others who will draw the distinctions, he can just focus on showing people who he is.
And by not tearing McCain down, Mr. Thompson sets himself up for a McCain endorsement after McCain dies in South Carolina.
Iowa is addicted to farm subsidies so a true conservative is limited in what he can talk about there. If you’re whole platform is about sneaking crosses into your commercials, you can do pretty well.
Being born and bred in Iowa, and being a conservative I couldn’t wait to get out of that state! Of course being raised to appreciate “government” I moved to The Peoples Republic of Minnesota where I can read the Red Star and Tribune every morning… The Huckster will be unmasked and taken down by Fred by Feb 5th…
Wow, a lot of bitterness here, I see.
Fred’s coming in third I guess saves him from having to drop out today. After New Hampshire, when he finishes sixth behind Ron Paul, that’s when he’s done.
I find it amusing that so many so-called conservatives are going into so much Christian-bashing like they all joined the ACLU last night. ‘Sneaking a cross into a commercial” and “Huck the evolution-denying Machiavellian”, wow, I expect that kind of Christian-bashing nonsense out of a liberal, but really, out of Conservatives. Do you think that maybe there’s a reason Christians are flocking to Huck? Maybe they are tired of the hypocrisy of guys who preach “Family Values” and are on their second or third marriages.
I’m not sure if Huck is viable past Iowa, we’ll have to see. It might be a situation where McCain gets the nomination because it’s “his turn”, the kind of thinking that got us Bob Dole in 1996 and a humiliating defeat in an election we should have won.
The wild card on this is still Bloomberg. If the Dems nominate Obama and the Republicans nominate Huck, then Bloomberg will get in and all bets would be off at that point.
I like Huckabee. Go figure – apparently a lot of other people do too. Good.
I love Iowa!!! They did a great job! Iowa has a track record for picking the loser of the Presidential primaries…they did not like Reagan (3rd) they did not like G. Bush 41 (2nd) they did not like G. W. Bush (2nd)…they picked…Pat Robertson, Dole over Reagan and Pat Buchannan. Huckster is doomed!! LOL
I dont put much stock in a state that picks its canidates by drawing squares on a football field and seeing which one a cow poops in. It really is nonsense that any canidate should drop out if they do not win, finish or place in this first “contest”.
However the problem is that the media does care and they will hype the hell out of this and anyone that doesnt follow politics will answer inane poll questions based on name recognition. “Oh yeah, I heard about Obama. They talk about him all the time on the news. I guess I would vote for him.” Poll data will fly hot and heavy thus feeding the hype machine. The idea that someone will vote for someone just because someone else is voting for them is crazy, but that is how it works in America now. We pick our canidates not on thier merit or what we hope they can accomplish but on such drivel as “electability”. We are too willing to just vote for what we can live with instead of what we really want.
Ah well on to New Hampshire, might was well let this provice of Canada vote too.
Social conservatives have been the majority of voters for GOP candidates over the past 30 years or so. The treatment they’re getting – from their concerns just being ignored at best to displays of open hostility to them becoming more common (as mentioned by JoeB131) – isn’t going to win them over. The lesson of the Huckabee win is that none of the other major candidates are acceptable to social conservatives and that to social conservatives the social issues trump all others.
Hey JoeB….I am a Christian!! I am a Catholic…I did not vote for Guliani. Who is Christian bashing? If I do not support a Huckster I am Christian bashing? Give me a break!!! Hillary is a Methodist if I do not vote for her am I a Christian basher? I resent the CHRISTIANS who bash Romney and his religion! I could give a rats Arse what religion someone is…. I am a Common sense conservative. Fred is my guy…. I see a Clinton type in Huckster….right down to his gittar hick playing on Leno…reminds me of Billy Boy and his sax….I just know Hilda-beast has a report of a Jim Baker PTL/Jessica Hahn scandal ready for this guy…and if anyone knows what goes on in Arkansas the Clintons do. Well, maybe not with Huckster…he no longer has a fat ARSE…just a Fat head.
Last night was about the best conceivable result for Fred. Romney got killed and Fred took third. Huckabee can’t win the big states like New York or California. That leaves three candidates after McCain beats Romney like a rented mule in NH and blows him out of the race. The one conservative left standing will be Fred.
Go Fred!
8 years of the disastrous Bush administration has destroyed the GOP and Rush Limbaugh’s conservative movement. At least Bush was good for something.
I was specifically referring to comments like
“He’s got a Jesus Fish behind him”
“Huck the Evolution denying Machiavaellian”
“If you’re whole platform is about sneaking crosses into your commercials”
I think the best line that explains Huck’s rise was what he said on Leno the other night. “I remind people of the guy they work with. Romney reminds people of the guy who laid them off.”
The GOP has relied on Christians voting against their own economic interests, and getting nothing in return. Huck’s success in Iowa shows that they just aren’t going to take it anymore.
As a former Arkansan (post-Clinton, mind you), I can say that I’m a fan of Huckabee. Why all the hatin’?
Idiots
Out
Wandering
Around
I.O.W.A.
’nuff said
#19 – Posted by: JoeB131 on January 4, 2008 09:21 AM
Do you know the difference between an idiot and a Christian? We are bashing idiots who happen to be Christian.
You stupid Christians!
#13 – Posted by: charmingtail on January 4, 2008 08:06 AM
Sweet, Fred! is Reaganesque in even the most trivial of matters!
Gee, obsess much?
To be fair, not all Iowans are hickabilly bumpkinite hyucksters. At the local caucus, NOBODY stood up to stump for Fred till we got there. Almost like they were embarassed.
Then there was a slight outpouring of love in his direction. But as the results indicate, not as much as we would have liked.
Still, ONLY 1/3 of Iowegians voted for the Huckster.
Tim
– Not a native Iowan
– Want to move soon – too damn cold.
– Otherwise, not too bad a place to live.
I have but one point to make about Iowans.
After helping Jimmy Carter start the four most disasterous years in office in my lifetime, they turned around and overwhelmingly (59%) voted for him again.
That pretty much tells me all I need to know about Iowa and critical thinking skills.
To AR,
My definition of an “idiot” is someone who votes for a party that claims to shar their values while hiding degenerates like Tom Foley and Larry Craig in the wings, and then they give Corporate America big tax breaks to ship their job off to India.
If the GOP doesn’t realize the real economic concern out there, (oh, yeah, unemployment highest in two years) they may well not only lose this election, but a lot of elections from here on out…
#25 – Posted by: JoeB131 on January 4, 2008 11:03 AM
Oh no unemployment the highest in 2 years! Oh My GOD!!!! Huckabee is our only hope with his non-ignorance and viable positions!!!!!! Economic collapse, Foley, long term trend, people starving, coarn, geh sehks, atehist taekovah acvieewjf ,mnm 1 !!!!!
My definition of an idiot is someone who lacks the ability to form complex thoughts and can’t make good judgments easily. I have a feeling my definition is far more accurate.
Yeah, AR, how dare you vote for someone who sends your job overseas when you can vote for someone who will import the cheap labor to do your job instead. And make you pay for their benefits, even though you have to pay for your own.
You dastardly fiend!
AR and FrankJ – So sorree for u ideeots. So sorree u big mighty guy fall down and suk. Actual nah soree for u. I just full of laughs at u and u Fraud Thomper who is a biggest jok of all eva. U iz has no cloo of what b goez’n in usa. Limpbauu doesznt nowz it eetha bout economy n suffer’n. The peeps nowz it tho n they does not want Fraud Thomper clown. It ova for u. U can nah has any votes. He he he he. He he he he. u suk
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AR, I suspect I am better educated and more informed than you are. Then again, my cat is probably more informed than you are.
The economy is tough out there, and really, our side doesn’t seem to have any answers other than “Tax breaks for billionaires”.
Here’s the gag, and I’ve said this. Corporate America’s interests are not my interests. Romney running on the “Trust me, I’m a businessman” platform is just GW Bush redux.
Rave, exactly how is not punishing children for their parent’s crimes “importing” them? YOu know, I’m all for securing the border, but if we keep coming across as a bunch of heartless bigots, we do the Democrats job for them.
#26 – Posted by: AR on January 4, 2008 12:05 PM
#27 – Posted by: Raving Lunatic on January 4, 2008 12:06 PM
Took the words right out of my mouth.
#29 – Posted by: JoeB131 on January 4, 2008 01:19 PM
It would seem I hit a nerve.
You may be better educated than me, I’m still 3 and a half years away from a bachelors degree, but I seriously doubt you are more informed than me. I haven’t had classes for the last 3 weeks, and I only have two hobbies, and news/politics is my favorite. You’d have to do a lot of reading to be more informed than me. Your cat might be however, I haven’t seen any evidence of your cat being an ignorant Huckabee supporter and I don’t know what cats spend their time doing.
Not that its relevant, you are just trying to recoup some dignity after being pwned by everybody here.
To say the economy is bad is just plain stupid, I see no evidence of a bad economy, since there is none, just a bunch of speculation to hide the fact the economy is in ok shape. Fred has solid plans to reduce taxes for everyone, both the rich who pay far more in taxes than anyone else, and the poor, thereby improving the economy.
http://fred08.com/Principles/PrinciplesSummary.aspx?View=OnTheIssues
What exactly is Huckabee’s plan for the economy? Does he plan on giving more welfare or something? Since welfare has shown to be SO effective in improving the economy. Huckabee doesn’t have a real platform beyond “I’m a Christian”. Go join the Democrat party, you have more in common with them than us Republicans.
You are supporting a candidate who gave clemencies to people because they claimed to have “found Christ”. That alone should disqualify him.
Sorry, everyone! I wondered aloud if there were more annoying people around than Paulestinians, and the Hucka-siah worshippers suddenly appeared. Just don’t make me send you to the cornfield….
As much as you Hucksters like to claim it’s unchristian to punish children for their parents sins, could you please tell me what’s so Christian about rewarding them for their parents sins? When will you start to give in state tuition and benefits to the rest of America who doesn’t qualify for them?
Perhaps next Huckster and friends would like to start a program giving the children of murderers $10,000.00 scholarships. After all, for them to make it on their own terms would be punishing them, right? Give me a break with simplistic moralization, pal
Oh, and JoeB, if we keep behaving like brainless steal and spend Democrats, we’ll all need handouts to survive, only their will be no one to give them out.
Has anyone else notice that in the last week Hucksters have become as petulent and caustic and Ronulans? I’m starting to think the rats are fleeing one sinking crap boat for another…
AR, am I talking to a college student? Well, I received my bachelor’s degree 22 years ago (History and PolSci) and I’ve worked on every presidential election since 1980 except 1988. You do remind me of Winston Churchill’s admonition that young liberals have no brain and young conservatives have no heart.
The economy sucks. We are heading into a recession, will be in one before the end of the year. If you were out here working in the real world, you’d know just how bad things are. And all Fred has is “hey, those rich folks are paying too much in taxes.” Why we keep falling for this, I’ll never know.
Here’s Huckabee’s position on the economy… Plenty of stuff for Conservatives to like..
http://www.mikehuckabee.com/?FuseAction=Issues.View&Issue_id=5
I would love to take the time to school you in exactly why we are in so much trouble. (HINT- lots of people owe more money on their houses than they are actually worth.) I just doubt much of it will get through.
On the clemency thing, hey, Huck didn’t give Clemancy to that Dumond guy. I don’t know why this lie keeps getting repeated, and I find it funny folks on the right are doing it, because they were the ones who turned Dumond into a folk hero.
with your kind of thinking, the Republicans will soon join the Federalists and Whigs as “extinct political parties”.
Winners of Iowa Caucuses since 1972 listed with eventual Presidential election winner:
Democrat
1972 – Undecided (Nixon)
1976 – Undecided (Carter)
1980 – Carter (Reagan)
1984 – Mondale (Reagan)
1988 – Gephardt (GHW Bush)
1992 – Harkin (Clinton)
1996 – Clinton – unopposed (Clinton)
2000 – Gore (GW Bush)
2004 – Kerry (GW Bush)
2008 – Obambi
So, you see, in years in which there is no incumbent, Iowa Democrats have a perfect 0% record of picking the winner. If if you count the time they picked the eventual winner in 1992, their batting average jumps to a whopping .111! 89 points below the Mendoza line.
The Iowa Republicans don’t have a much better record
1976 – Ford (Carter)
1980 – GHW Bush (Reagan)
1984 – Reagan – unopposed (Reagan)
1988 – Dole (GHW Bush)
1992 – GHW Bush – unopposed (Clinton)
1996 – Dole -(Clinton)
2000 – GW Bush – (GW Bush)
2004 – GW Bush – unopposed (GW Bush)
2008 – Huckabee
The Iowa Republican batting average in years in which there was no GOP incumbent was a Ruthian .250. I’m impressed. At least they broke the Mendoza line.
Which tells me that neither Huck nor Obama will be the next President. Go Fred!
Raving Lunatic,
As opposed to what, borrow and spend Republicans?
We have 8 trillion in national debt, and 6 Trillion of that was racked up under Republican Presidents.
Funny, exactly where did I advocate more government spending. Oh, never mind, its always easier to argue with a straw man.
As far as the whole issue, those children of illegal immigrants were residing in Arkansas. Regardless of what their parents did, they were Arkansas residents.
I can understand how a lot of Fredheads are upset. Your guy has run an awful campaign and it’ll be over within a week. But don’t take it out on Huckabee because he ran a solid campaign.
Fosterdad, you are incorrect, Carter won the 1976 Iowa Caucus…
That’s what catapulted him into the big time.
JoeB, JoeB
I can’t stand the borrow and soend pubs, either. Which is why I like Thompson. Please tell me how tax and spend is better than borrow and spend. By advocating Huckabee, you’re advocating more government spending. That’s his history; you know, that part you keep ignoring.
And you’re wrong, Fosterdad is correct. 36% were undecided. Carter carried the state because he was the highest to actually recieve votes at 28% (which is what Fosterdad indicates). Pay attention once in a while.
Joe, Carter didn’t not win in 1976. He got the highest percentage of any candidate, but technically “uncommited” won.
Lots of Huck hatin’…I personally like the guy, his biggest problem will be illegals and taxes. Two big issues I’m not sure he can overcome.
My point was that Carter got more than any other candidate… which technically means he won.
As far as Huckabee’s history, yes, he signed a lot of tax increases, but he also cut a lot of taxes. More importantly, he left Arkansas in the black, which is what a good fiscal conservative should do.
And would it rude to point out that as a governor, Ronald Reagan raised taxes to the point that after he left, Prop. 13 had to be passed.
Clay S, this is like saying, “I love the woman but she is dumb and ugly”.
JoeB131,
It is probably not the wisest idea to brag about your pol-sci/history degree and then immediately misattribute a quote from Winston Churchill.
Google the name Francois Guisot.
Then consider that some people waited until they could afford a degree without going into debt to get one. Being a college student does not mean young or never in the working world, by default. Using my own example, I was in the working world for 15 years before I started my bachelors of science.
Then pull yourself off that cross. It’s reserved for Somebody else.
JoeB131,
It is probably not the wisest idea to brag about your pol-sci/history degree and then immediately misattribute a quote from Winston Churchill.
Google the name Francois Guisot.
Then consider that some people waited until they could afford a degree without going into debt to get one. Being a college student does not mean young or never in the working world, by default. Using my own example, I was in the working world for 15 years before I started my bachelors of science.
Then pull yourself off that cross. It’s reserved for Somebody else.>>>>
Actually, I attributed the quote accurately. Churchill said those words… Anyway, AR has as much as admitted he’s a 20 something college student, which means he isn’t half as smart as he thinks he is.
His statement that the economy isn’t bad just shows he doesn’t know what he is talking about. The economy sucks right now.
Nothing like condescending douchebaggery to convince us poor, dumb conservatives that Huckabee is our saviour. Can we have the Paulestinians back now? They were much more fun than the Hucka-siah acolytes.
#43 – Posted by: AR
Yea yea… Huckster is a fool … I want to be the guy who lays you off… Huckster IS THE GUY who needed to be laid off. You know ya always lay off the least productive, wasteful and dumbest laborers first. UGH!!!! How stupid was Hucksters statement and yet the supporters think it’s profound???????
Who the hell wants to strive to be the the guy laid off? I do know people who strive to be their own bosses… so they have the power to lay off their OWN employees. I guess Huckster hates lay offs… he sure does not mind that Akansas has high unemployment in their AMERICAN population and that between him and the Clintons they have strived to keep Arkansas 48-46 in the rankings of of piss poor education among 50 States. Nice…but it is the Christian thing to do. That is why the NEA supports that Arse.
#48 – Posted by: JoeB131 on January 4, 2008 08:50 PM
Wow… just wow. I’m completely stupefied.
It turns out, your a complete idiot incapable of keeping up with me. At least PaulBots understand whats being said to them.
From now on, all my responses to you will be
“You teh stoopid, goes away”
Troll boy.
“I have been a life-long Republican, but I will never vote for a wingnut Nazi like Guiliani, Romney, Thompson, McCain, or Paul! Workers of the world unite! BusHitler is destroying the economy so Haliburton can buy everyone’s house and put them out on the street! Huckabee is the only true conservative! Power to the Proletariat!”
Republicans: Suck on Huck.
This is what you made out of your party. Lie down with fundies, wake up with Huckabees.
Enjoy.
Judging by the nastiness on this board, is it any wonder the GOP will lose in 2008?
Even suggest that you might vote for a guy Rush Limbaugh disapproves of, and suddenly, you are branded a Democrat (which would be really laughable to anyone who knows me.)
Some of you people are in serious denial as to why the Republican Party is in such trouble.
No, Joe, Churchill did not.
Find a link or citation, or your just full of hot air.
It sounds like something Churchill would say (pithy, edgy), but given his own personal history, unlikely. Again, Google Guisot, the man you are actually misquoting.
I don’t know how smart AR is, or how his age or college status makes him any less so, but your own words here have shown that if your were half as smart as you think you are you’d be twice as smart as you really are.
I find it amusing the volume of “lifelong Republicans” in recent memory that seem to parrot all the most drained liberal clichés about both the United States the GOP.
“You cut taxes for billionaires!!!11eleventy1!”
“You don’t care about teh poor!”
“Half your party votes against their own economic interests!!”
“We’re heading to a recession!… Any minute now!”
“OMG We have almost 5% unemployment… The lowest in the Western World, but still horrifying!!!”
Oh please.