Go ahead and go to sleep, we know it’s gonna get boring up in here. Let’s just hope Schiefer isn’t as ridiculous and stupid as he was four years ago when he moderated.
McCain makes sure to point out that Americans are innocent in this economic crisis. Innocent victims. Some, yes. Some, not so much. And I really bristle at being called a victim. McCain also wants to buy mortgages and negotiate with the “victims” who took those mortgages to make them affordable. Um, I’m against that. If you signed the contract and you can’t afford to pay it, you’re out. Foreclosed. Sorry, I don’t hate you or anything, but when our house didn’t sell for the full amount of the mortgage, we took out another loan for $19,000 and sent that money to the mortgage company. Yes, we’re still paying our own debt, so you don’t have to. Everyone else should do the same. It’s called personal responsibility.
AWESOME! MCCAIN IS BRINGING UP JOE THE PLUMBER! Let me just say, Joe the Plumber, I love you and want to kiss your feet or bake you a pie for that redistribution of wealth soundbite. Mwah.
Hey, Senator Obama, guess what?! The reason those payroll taxes won’t go up a bit is because under your plan, no one will have a freaking job! It’s simple math. Guess what else?! I’m not sure tax breaks for the oil companies are a bad thing. You increase their taxes, you increase our gas prices. Again you’re having trouble with the simple math. Great job on this guy, Harvard!
Good question from Schiefer on what cutbacks to make so their budgets don’t add trillions. Let’s see if Barack will answer the question this time. Of course, he’s speaking in generalities. “Programs that work, we keep. Programs that don’t work, blah blah blah.”
McCain: “Spending freeze across the board. Yeah, it’s a hatchet, and *then* I’ll get out the scalpel.”
LOLOLOLOLOLOL. It’s easy to please me tonight if you just go off script, or at least say a well-scripted zinger and make sure you pull it off. McCain: “Senator Obama, I am not George Bush. If you wanted to run against George Bush, you should have run for president four years ago.” ZOOM ZOOM ZOOM!
“You have to tell me one time when you have stood up against your leaders on any issue.” Well, he did vote for murdering babies when he was in state senate in Illinois, and even most of the democrats are against that one.
Every time McCain brings up global warming and how he’s all for wasting money on that crock of crap, I feel like he’s kicking me in the nuts, and I don’t even have nuts.
McCain is kicking Obama’s hind parts on the whole campaign rhetoric thing. Obama: “100% of your ads have been negative.” How is a campaign ad negative if all it does is tell the truth? Just wondering. “Please stop talking about all the evil people I’ve built my career around and talk about the issues.”
McCain: “I watched the Arizona Cardinals defeat the Dallas Cowboys on Sunday.” That’s it. I’m voting for Obama. Obama: “Congratulations.” That’s it. I’m voting for NO ONE. RON PAUL! I will, of course, need his views on the Dallas Cowboys before I can donate to his campaign, though. And with Romo out, this election is up for grabs. Although… now he can go vote in Nevada like ACORN wants him to!
Yes! “There have been some things at your rallies, too, Senator Obama, in fact, some t-shirts that people are wearing…” (profanity and disgusting displays of inhumanity in link)
Oh heck yeah. “Your campaign gave $832,000 to ACORN.” Ooh, Ayers, too, but I’m sure Obama has his prescripted answer ready. McCain hits back with facts, Obama snows with bullcrap.
Obama: “Yeah, Sarah Palin is good on the special needs kids, but autism needs funding, and your across-the-board spending freeze will mean that baby Trig will get left behind.” That’s not what he said, but you know where he was going.
Blah blah blah, nothing exciting here. McCain slams Obama on “unilaterally” renegotiating with Canada on free trade. “Canada said, ‘We’ll sell our oil to China, then.'” McCain is doing well here.
Did Obama just say he wants to enforce unfair trade agreements? Anyway, he says we need to prop up the automakers but make sure to hamstring those evil oil companies.
“Obama doesn’t want free trade with our greatest ally in [South America — Colombia], but he wants to sit down with Hugo Chavez, who is funding FARK, without precondition.” What? Are you saying Obama is a contridiction unto himself? NO. I will never believe that. HOPECHANGE!
Great comment from erod: “if insurance companies can’t discriminate on the basis of preexisting conditions, why would anyone get insurance before they got sick?”
I think it’s funny that McCain is now calling Joe the Plumber “my buddy Joe the Plumber.” It’s cute.
Obama: “Uh, I can talk to Joe too. Where’s my bracelet? Uh. Uh. Uh. Tax increases for everyone except my friend… uh… Jim… John… whatever.”
Wait, what? Did McCain say that insurance plans that include transplants are gold-plated Cadillacs? I get the cosmetic surgery thing, and I get it if he means hair transplants (sorry, Biden), but organ transplants? Those people are the sickest people and need insurance more than anyone.
LOL, McCain accidentally called Obama “Senator Government.” I’m now voting for McCain! Sorry, Ron Paul.
Great answer from McCain on the Supreme Court appointees. Basically he says it’s not about a judge’s view on Roe v. Wade. It’s about a judge’s qualifications. I was afraid he wasn’t going to mention that they need strict constructionism as a qualification, but he finally did. And he said that judges who legislate from the bench are bad.
Obama: “Abortion is a difficult issue. And it is a moral issue.” And what about murdering babies that have already been born, or ones that are on their way out of the vagina? McCain brought this up, and when he did, he should have mentioned that partial birth abortion means that the baby’s brain is sucked out while it is being born. A live human being, brains sucked out.
Education. I’m so glad Frank and I agree on homeschooling. Obama says he doubled the number of charter schools in Illinois. Did he do that while he was on that education thingy with his terrorist friend Bill Ayers?
McCain: “And I’m frankly surprised you didn’t pay attention to that.” “Spending more money isn’t always the answer.” That’s right. Why do I want to pay some teacher who is required to “teach to the test,” indoctrinate the kids, and dumb down the education so the smartest kids are forced to stoop to the level of the dumbest kids? Especially when I’m an accountant, my husband is an engineer, and together we are freaking insanely smart. Oh, and we can indoctrinate our kids to our own beliefs rather than radical left beliefs pushed by the NEA. Kthx.
The twelve-year-old boy in me is giggling, because McCain said “new direction.” Say it out loud, you’ll giggle too.
Closing statements: Senator McCain loves you, America. Senator Obama wants to beat Bush in November.
I’d say Schieffer did a better job than any of the other moderators this year. And yeah, I realize I spelled it differently each time, but one of them has to be right, so I’m fine with that.
No mention of Wright or Rezko from McCain. Shame on him.
poo – ya.
joe the plumber!!
by the way, obama just said “tit for tat.”
is that ok to say on tv?
poo – ya!!
acorn, ayers.!!
professor???
didn’t barack pay acorn from current campaign funds??
blah, blah, blah.
anyone else want to see the W movie?
i think one small difference between conservatives and pinkos is that we can laugh at our own side.
So far they’ve let Obie talk about twice as much as John. Loved it when John looked Obie and said, in regards to the Columbia free trade treaty, “It’s a No-Brainer”. He also called him on Acorn and the vicious Palin attacks.
if insurance companies can’t discriminate on the basis of preexisting conditions, why would anyone get insurance before they got sick?
I appreciate that McCain is getting some digs in while still being compassionate and likable. I appreciate that Obama is being a pompous ill-informed ass.
But I totally love Sarah K’s relentless humor.
Apparently Joe the Plumber has taken the place of Joe Six Pack.
Did you guys listen to what Obama said or are your ears so full of the Straight Ayers Express that you couldn’t hear? Maybe the President of UI, Reagan’s Ambassador, and the Publisher of the Tribune were in the Weathermen too.
Why don’t you talk to T. Boone Pickens (your advertiser and a really rich oilman) about that “global warming crock”? Or try any meteorology undergrad at the University of your choice.
Sarah, you have to break out of the echo chamber and get ahold of some fact, not the “facts” that Hannity spoonfeeds you. Ignorance is not cool. Being proud of being ignorant is Unamerican.
P.S. Who does McCain hang out with that he thinks $250k/yr isn’t rich? Oh, that’s right, he drops more than that on household help.
what??
mac, why would you say that??
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now you bring up gang of 14???
voted for justice bryer and ginsberg??
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PaleHose:
It’s when a small business … you know about small business, right … that make $250K/yr that they become “rich” under Obama’s plan. And that’s what they’re talking about.
Pay attention.
Palehose – The glaciers are growing. The sea ice is spreading. The polar bears are safe. You can relax now! Wind generators and natural gas? If it pisses off Putin or Chavez, I’m for it!
Basil,
For Joe The Plumber: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incorporate_your_business
Done. The filing fee in NV is $75.
Earlier McCain was talking about Obama “raising taxes on the middle class.” Just another smear from a desperate, scared man…
PaleHose:
Middle class, of course, falls within a range. A Congressional Research Service report to Congress in early 2007, said that $250K/yr is the upper end of that range.
http://opencrs.cdt.org/rpts/RS22627_20070320.pdf
Oh, it’s $125 filing fee in Ohio (where Joe lives).
Well, the troll is back. I guess we know McCain is winning.
Yah SarahK is posting at IMAO again
Kent: you must be talking about another guy. I haven’t trolled here in like a year.
I work for a small business that exceeds Obama’s magic $250 k limit by about 5 times. But his grand scheme will hit my bosses hard, and I am worried. This is soclialism 101. Prattle all you want. I know what I know based on decades of enduring bastage liberals with power.
I for one would welcome a “new direction.” Ha!
I feel like he’s kicking me in the nuts, and I don’t even have nuts.
It’s not nice to make people laugh this hard.
Serious Comment:
McCain just doesn’t get it.
He continues to talk to ‘intelligent people’. John, Intelligent People have already decided against Obama !!!
McCain didn’t gain ONE SINGLE voter from these debates. He lost voters if you ask me. He’d have been better off not going.
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While reading this thread, my iTunes played Barry McGuire’s “Eve of Destruction”.
It’s sad that my Mac Mini is apparently more aware of what’s at stake in this election than a majority of Americans.
“new direction.” Say it out loud, you’ll giggle too.
**giggle** Good catch.
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PaleHose – you are smirt. Linking to Wikipedia on corporations shows that you know bizzness good.
Sorry to break it to you dude, but the magic no taxes fairy doesn’t come along when you form a corporation and absolve you of taxes.
Joe the plumber would most likely become an S-corp (the most attractive form of corps. for businesses earning around 250,000), which means that the income (or loss) from would be reported on corporate tax returns, flow through to his personal returns, then Joe would pay any taxes on that income. No magic and no getting around paying the tax. There are ways to play with the income so that the corporate taxes show no profit, but the business owner has the burden of paying the taxes on that income either way.
Hose – next time try explaining something you have more experience and knowledge in – perhaps in nose picking or killer bong hits.
You can leave the ‘splanin of the finer points of corporations to those of us who have actually worked for a living and worked our asses off to start and run small businesses.
Oh, yeah forgot – SARA K ROCKS!
If you have five employees making roughly the US median income (~$50K/yr), and you aren’t bringing in $250K/yr, then you are losing money even if you had no other expenses (like, I don’t know, taxes and benefits, and paying yourself). I wish McCain had hit back with that when he said he only wanted to raise taxes on businesses making over $250K/yr.
PaleHose,
“Being proud of being ignorant is Unamerican.” …so..are you finally admitting that liberalism is un-American?
“…not the “facts” that Hannity spoonfeeds you.” Before throwing accusations, it would be a good idea to stop guzzling the cool-aid. I’m a conservative, not a robot to either party, but I, like the rest of the folks here, can smell feces when it’s shoveled, and “the messiah” and the dems have been driving one hell of a manure spreader lately.
“Why don’t you talk to T. Boone Pickens (your advertiser and a really rich oilman) about that “global warming crock”? Or try any meteorology undergrad at the University of your choice.” What makes you think oil companies don’t want a piece of Goreleonie’s bull-pucky pie? I suppose because George Sorros has a pile of money means he’s a republican. Sorry to shatter “rich, stuffy white guys have to be Republican” ideology…most of the greediest men that I know are phony liberals. They’re the ones who brew the cool-aid for useful idiots. The conversion to socialism won’t come breaking in through the front door where it can be seen…it will be spoon fed to children and those who want to feel like they are “good people” by trying hard to convince themselves and others they care for the poor and the children.
Don’t bring up the university system…that’s ground zero for liberal brainwashing. Especially science. “Global warming” is just another scam to create grants. This year is seeing a drop in temperatures, and years ago, when we had a hot streak, interestingly enough, Mars warmed at the same rate. I guess Martians are driving SUV’s and have polluting industry as well. If you look at recorded temperatures, the highs were in the early part of the 20th century, before cars were mass produced and only a handful of countries were industrialized. Anyone who does the most basic (honest) research can find that temperatures go in cycles and are most directly linked to the sun’s activity. In fact, here in Sparks, it dropped “global warming” all Friday…we usually don’t start getting it until on or just after Halloween.
“Earlier McCain was talking about Obama “raising taxes on the middle class.” Just another smear from a desperate, scared man…” Do I have to list all the desperate attacks (at nausea), mostly fabricated, that came come from “the messiah?” I listen to talk radio most of the day, and I happen to hear Osam…I mean Obama ads nearly 10 to 1 over McCain, all of them smear tactics.
Excellent liveblog! I skipped debate to watch Mythbusters & South Park, thinking Rush would play the important parts tomorrow. Thanx sarak for your detailed report. You took the pain out of having to watch it myself!
“new direction”?
12 year old boy?
He’s WHERE????
This isn’t the IMAO I used to know.
****ing Neocons have destroyed the party.
RIP GOP. One day, when the Socialists take over, the party will reorganize and retake the country.
Yeah. That was fun. I even had my 2yo daughter shaking her finger and saying “No!” every time Obama came on the screen.
Good thing he set me straight about the Supreme Court judges being all about fairness and justice. Cause I was thinking maybe the Constitution should be in there somewhere.
Excellent review of the debate. My wife watched it for me as watching “The One” speak gets me too fired up. Instead I folded laundry as doing chores is good stress relief. I better be careful as my wife may vote for Obama strictly to get me to remain in hyper clean mode for the next 4 years.
SarahK, you have nuts, and a husband to carry them around for you.
What say, guys, let’s vote The Sarahs an honorary set.
SarahK….eye of the tiger, mouth of a Teamster! But dinna let fooball get in the way of politics.
“Anyway, he says we need to prop up the automakers but make sure to hamstring those evil oil companies.”
You have to listen to him closely. He thinks we should bale out the auto companies, but only if they make obamamobiles.
I work for an auto company. We haven’t been dragging our heels. Japan’s subsidies are what put them ahead, I believe. I could be wrong. I do know that we couldn’t sell our previous Electric car and haven’t really been in a position to mass manufacture a loss leader like the Prius.
THat being said, pretty much every politician including President Bush talks out their ass when they discuss the auto industry.
greg, ‘Japan’ is not ahead. Toyota and Honda are ahead, because they’re the most productive automakers in the world (GM and Ford and Chrysler are better than the big Euro automakers and the second-tier Japanese companies). Even when they make cars in the US. Now, some of the reasons for that have to do with bad deals between the big three, the UAW, and the state of Michigan, which make the costs for US automakers higher.
Yeah Sarahk. I do think Senator McCain did well but he didn’t crush the bastard with a resounding blow like I wish he would’ve. At least he did tell people to investigate on their own when B.O. said he “didn’t do that” ” didn’t say that” , etc.
oh…and go Cowboys!
Shaffer did have one habit… as soon as McCain really started making stuff stick, he darted in with “Time’s up!” As I commented elsewhere, it was just this side of leaping in front of the camera, slow-motion, crying “NOOOOOOO!”
I was high-fiving my Ladybug when Ayers and ACORN came up, but I wish he’d nailed him on the Fannie Mae stuff.
Obama – “Let me tell you who I associate with….”
McCain, as possessed by Nightfly (only in a benign fashion) – “You forgot a couple of guys: the two guys responsible for driving Fannie Mae into an iceberg and nearly sinking the entire housing market. One of them is your financial advisor and the other helped pick your vice-president. You say you want to change the failed economic policies of the past, but the ones responsible for enacting them are working for your campaign – which is a very kind way of thanking them for donating over $100,000 from Fannie Mae to you. All of this happened at the behest of your party, which then stonewalled my own efforts to help reform them and hold them accountable.”
Obama – “Pffft. Facts are for honkeys.”
For anyone not up to speed on the housing meltdown, here she be.
http://www.jibjab.com/view/253615
The real reason Obama voted present so many times in the Illinois state senate:
The place is the Illinois state senate, the roll is being called. As senators are voting aye or nay we hear snoring in the background.
“Smith….Aye, Williams….nay, Johnson…..nay, Obama………….., Obama?…………….., Barack Hussein Obama!”
Sound of someone waking up, “uh, uh, Present!”
The Chair remarks, ” Obama votes present, again.”
……………………………………….
See, there is a simple explanation for everything
I don’t believe for a moment that the freethinking illuminati are not prepared for what is going on in this twisted and somewhat comical situation!