Our Military XVII

Cpl. Joe foo’ tells me that Ronald Reagan meant a lot to people in the military, as he always saluted. “One of the worst things than not saluting is not returning a salute.”
In a way, I think our currently fighting is an extension of Reagan’s optimism, that a brighter future is possible even a land that seems to have been war-torn forever.
Anyway, here are more explanations by readers of why they joined the military. I still have a lot of stories waiting to be posted, but, if you’d like to give your own explanation of why you joined the military or have a military story, please e-mail me with the subject “Military”. Thanks.


Jeff from Connecticut writes:

I joined the military in 1987. I don’t come from a poor family. I was not unemployed when I went in. The military was not the only job I could get in those unfortunate economic times. I enlisted so I could get money for college.
I was 25 when I enlisted in the Army, several years older than most typical recruits. I had gone to college for a couple of years, blew it off, then joined the working world. Once I came to my senses and realized that the best way to get a decent, good paying job in an office was through college, I was faced with a decision: I could take 97 years of part time night school to get my degree (and that was an optimistic time frame, given my total lack of self-discipline), or I could suck up a couple of years in the military, take some classes while I was in, then get out and finish up my degree on Uncle Sam’s dime. I chose the latter course.
It worked out. I was in for over 6 years (I re-upped once so the wife and I could squeeze out a young ‘un), I finished college in 2.5 years and now I’m a corporate drone earning in the top quintile. For all of the weenies who believe that the military is the job of last resort for low-income or unemployed people, I know first hand that’s a crock of dung. Surely there are some people who went in for those reasons, but they were in the minority. Most of the people I served with were in exactly the same boat as I: looking for a way to fund college without saddling their families with the tab or coming out with a boatload of debt. Some folks liked the military life enough to make it a career. And a good career it is. You serve your country in an immediate, fulfilling, and meaningful way, you get to do all manner of cool things like fly in and jump out of helicopters and airplanes, you get 30 days of paid vacation starting from year 1, you are REQUIRED to shoot and blow up stuff, and you can retire with full lifetime benefits (pension, free health care, commissary privileges, etc) after 25 years. If you go in when you’re 18, you can get out when you’re 43 and have a whole other civilian career.
Is the military life hard? Sure it is. You endure long separations from your loved ones, you operate in all manner of weather and environments, you sleep (if you’re lucky) on the ground for weeks at a time, and oh yeah, I almost forgot, every now and again people try to kill you. But I have NEVER, before or since, felt the camaraderie and sense of duty that I felt while I was in. I’m proud of my service, and I’m grateful to those who are serving now.

El Jefe writes:

I graduated from Christian Brothers High School in May of 1981. I was working at Victoria Station (not Secret – unfortunately) restaurant for the better part of the previous 2 years. I had done the ‘American Dream’ by starting off washing dishes, moving on to salad bars, bussing tables, bar back, prep chef and finally waiting tables.
In late August I went off to college at Abilene Christian University in Texas. (Yeah, I know. Catholic high school and Christian university. Hey, you can’t say I’m not religious.) After the first semester I decided that college wasn’t for me at that time in my life. So, in the summer I came home to Sacramento and went back to work at the restaurant. After a couple of months it was time for me to make a decision. Either go back to school, move up to management at the restaurant, or something else. Back to school was out. Management was looking fairly good except I saw how beat down my friends were after spending nearly 80 hours a week there for not a lot of money.
The military was looking like a good option. My father, great uncle and cousin had all spent time in the Air Force. (My great uncle was a retired Chief Master Sergeant in the Army Air Corps and was in during the Bataan Death March – which he refused to talk about.) I thought about all the services and here are my reasons:
Army – Pro: Quick promotion depending on your career field
Con: Limited career fields that I was interested in
Marines – Pro: Instant respect no matter where you go/camaraderie/esprit de corps
Con: Same as the Army
Navy – Pro: Go EVERYWHERE in the world/good career fields
Con: Didn’t know if I could handle being on a ship for 6 months a year
Air Force – Pro: Lots of career choices/good world-wide locations
Con: Slow promotions
Oh, yeah. Pro for each was discipline.
I ruled out the Army and Marines for career choices. It was down to the Navy and Air Force. I went on ship tour in ‘Frisco and talked with the Petty Officers about their lives and ship life in particular. They showed me their living quarters and that basically sealed it for me. You see, I’m 6′ 5″ tall. Bunks on a ship are maybe 6′ long. You do the math. That and there’s 3 to 6 in each berthing. I lived in a dorm in college and I know how 3 guys in one room are. Yes, I could handle being on a ship (biggest concern was if I had the stomach/sea legs). No, I didn’t want to.
So, it was the Air Force. I went and spoke with the recruiter (who lied – which one of ’em don’t?) and he started spewing on about the ‘AF doctrine’ and all that. I knew better. I asked what career fields he had open. He looked at my education (honor role material) and noticed that I’d taken language courses in high school. He said, “How about being a linguist?” I looked into it and found that I would have a year in Monterey learning to be fluent in the language of my choice. Now, remember, this is 1982 and the Cold War was still on full boil. So, I said that if I pass the test to get in could I choose German? The reason is that I had taken 2 years’ worth in high school and that I knew I would get stationed in Germany and fly around on the AWACS planes. My dad said that it would be a good choice for when I got out because the CIA, FBI, and a number of civilian firms would be looking for that line of work.
To make a long story somewhat shorter, I passed easily, got a delayed enlistment (5 months), and went to basic in May ’83. Now, the week before I went in, I drove down to Texas to see some friends. On the way back I got 2 speeding tickets (I had a 1970 340 ‘Cuda at the time – easy mark). When I got to basic I had to go for a security interview to see if I would qualify for a Top Secret clearance. The interviewer noted that I got the tickets within 24 hours of each other and after I pled my case he still denied it to me.
This left me in a quandary. Get out, go back home, and work at the restaurant or see what other jobs were available. Home was not an option. I was offered the standard ‘open general’ options: Burger flipper, Fuels specialist, Weatherman and Cop. (Why cop? ALWAYS a need for those and with my heavy foot…). The last option was Computer Operator. In high school I’d taken a couple of programming courses and enjoyed it. So, I asked if Computer Programmer was available. The guy said, “Let’s see what you do on the test.” You needed 51 for Operator and 72 for Programmer. I scored 85. Guy still said, “Operator. Take it or leave it.” I took it.
Best damn decision I ever made.
BTW: I got my Top Secret clearance less than 3 years later because the AF merged my career field with another that required it.
P.S. My ENTIRE family lectured on and on about NOT going into the military in 1981. After I retired last April, not one of them wasn’t proud that I served my country for 20 years.

El Jefe, who sent this to me some weeks ago, happened to end the e-mail with a Reagan quote. I know I’ve seen it everywhere, but it’s worth repeating:

I hope that when you’re my age you’ll be able to say, as I have been able to say: we lived in freedom, we lived lives that were a statement, not an apology.

Connecticut Yankee writes:

I joined the Navy for several reasons, first, just about every male relative I have on both my mother’s and my father’s side of the family was either a sailor or a marine, (although I heard rumors growing up that one or two black sheep joined the army) as far back as the American revolution; a fact that my grandmother was always proud to tell us. She was a member of the DAR. My great grandfather was in the “Great White Fleet” of Theodore Roosevelt. So I guess it was a tradition in the family. Anyway, I am a little older than most of the people who write you, (although not ancient by any means, I love this site and have a great appreciation of your humor and talent, can anyone say free “Nuke the Moon T-shirt?”). [Ed. Note: Not me]
I was born in 1956 after my father returned from the Korean War; Navy of course. I grew up during the Viet Nam War and watched it every night as we ate dinner. During junior high and later high school, I watched as upperclassmen graduated and were drafted, then watched as my cousins went off to Viet Nam. I also knew that these boys were not being allowed to win and it sickened me to watch them fight, bleed and die while anti-war protestors undermined the country’s efforts and provide aid and comfort to the enemy (are you hearing me John Kerry and Teddy Kennedy?). I made up my mind that I was going to either enlist, if the war was still going on, after high school or somehow get into college and join after finishing my degree.
The war ended before I graduated from high school (1974), but I still felt a need to serve my country; must be in my DNA. Anyway, there was no way I was going to afford college on my own, my parents divorced when I was in the seventh grade, and in those days, child support rarely included college tuition. So I tired to obtain an appointment to the Naval Academy, but my grades didn’t impress my congressman we’re talking a “C” student, sports, student council and scouts. I truly think that GOD intervened on my behalf and I was awarded a full four year NROTC scholarship. My entire family was extremely proud of that fact that, even though all my male ancestors on both sides were Navy men, as far back as anyone could tell, I was going to be only the second officer; I had a great great uncle who was an officer in the Union Navy during the civil war.
Anyway, it was a great college experience. Utah, is a nice conservative state where short hair wasn’t out of the ordinary in the middle and late ’70’s; plus the skiing was fantastic! By the way, my NROTC Battalion, I kid you not, had a Marine GSGT who looked and sounded just like R. Lee Ermy of “Full Metal Jacket” and “Mail Call” fame. His last name was Pickles, so any of you who were in the Marines knows with a name like AND a Gunnery Sergeant, that he was one tough old son of a gun. Sgt. Pickles did 2 combat tours of Viet Nam, and I respected him. (However, that doesn’t mean that we didn’t have some good laughs at his expense; another story.) I mean this guy gave the same cadence as in FMJ for crying out loud. When I went to see FMJ, I sat there and laughed out load during the whole Paris Island section because it was so absolutely SGT Pickles! People in the move theater ! must have thought I was some nut case or psychotic loon!
The Navy was the best thing to ever happen to me. I received a top notch education, that I would not have been otherwise able to afford. I was commissioned and Officer and given great responsibilities which I took very seriously; much more so than I thought I would while I was in college. I met some of the greatest people in the world, real salt of the earth types. I got to run multi million dollar equipment right out of college; try that in the civilian sector. I could go on and on but I am probably boring you. Just one more thing though, and I think this feeling is shared by everyone who served; I would, in a heart beat, join again and volunteer for Iraq if they would take 48 year old out of shape old geezers like me. I’d especially join again if it meant I could take the place of one of the young guys over there now who haven’t had a full life yet, like I have.
Rockynoggin writes:
I’d like to say that I joined the military out of a sense of civic duty and patriotism. I can’t say that, though.
I had spent 3 years in college wasting time and money (my money, not that of my parents nor governments) and finally moved to Dallas to live with my brother and find work in law enforcement. I had wanted to be a cop ever since I was a kid. It was all I thought about.
I interviewed with every PD in the DFW area and not one offered me a job. Despite 3 years of Criminal Justice undergrad work and a clean record. Finally, after one interview in Plano, the officers broke it down for me.
“Look,” they said, “you’re not a minority and you have no previous law enforcement experience. You’re a good kid, but you also need to mature. Have you ever considered joining the military as an MP?”
I had not ever considered military service. But they assured me that if I did a tour as an MP, my Honorable Discharge would be my ticket to becoming a policeman in just about any jurisdiction I applied.
So, I pulled into the first recruiting office I could find – and it happened to be an Army one. I told the recruiter that I wanted to be an MP, and naturally he signed me up to be a Legal Clerk. He assured me that it was pretty much the same thing and that I could always change my MOS after I was in.
**NOTE: NEVER, EVER, EVER believe ANYTHING a recruiter tells you.**
Well, the upside was that the 82nd Airborne needed legal clerks, so at least I got to be a little hard core and got my wings and ended up with 25 or so jumps – including one from a Huey after PLDC (Primary Leadership Development Course – required for promotion to Sergeant).
That was 1986. I ended up doing 4 years active, and then I got out on “Green-to-Gold” and finished my degree and got my butter-bar. I did 6 more years in the National Guard as an Engineer Platoon Leader and then Company XO. I got out when they said I needed to move to Battalion staff to make Captain – to me, it was only worthwhile when I was with the line troops.
So, I resigned and I cried like a baby when I got home after my last drill. I still miss the Army life.
I never became a cop. But I can say that joining the Army was one of the best things I ever did, aside from marrying Mrs. Rockynoggin!

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  1. Hi:
    I love reading these stories. Everything I have ever read or heard about the military life makes regret even more not being able to have a part of it.
    I wanted to join The Marines, or The Army, like my respective grandfathers did. Of course my reason was rather prosaic, like some of the reasons mentioned above.
    I wanted money for college. My grades were excellent, but both my parents were teachers, and I didn’t really qualify for much financial aid, as we were squarely middle class. So I took the ASVAB? (I think that is what it was called) I got a 98 out of 100. Every recruiter for each branch of the military was pounding on my door. I could study any field I wanted, become an officer, anything!! Just sign with us!!
    It was that year that I learned I had asthma. The recruiters stopped returning my calls. Couldn’t even join the Coast Guard(no disrespect intended)
    So to everyone who did join up, thanks a lot. From talking to friends, I realized how much I missed. The honor, the discipline, the sense of purpose.(Plus one of my friends learned how to fly helicopters! When he was frickin’ 19 years old! How cool is that!?!)
    I never miss a chance to honor veterans, and I wish I could actually salute them, even though it isn’t appropriate as a civilian.
    Thanks.
    Jeff

  2. Read this article in the Washington Compost about a Vietnam era protester.
    “Some people spend their entire lives wondering if they’ve made a difference. The Marines have no such problem.”
    ~ Ronald Reagan

  3. –Great stories, guys! Thanks for sharing with us, Frank!
    –Jeff, it’s not 25 years… it’s only 20. You can stay for longer, but 20 is the soonest you can get out on retirement. That’s why I was able to retire from the Marine Corps at age 37 and start a whole new- and VERY motivating- career.
    –It’s a great life when you spend part of it serving others!!

  4. Perhaps I’ve just been lucky, but the Marine recruiters in my town have always been very honest with us recruits. What they’ve always told us boils down to: Basic is Hell, the DIs are the spawn of Satan himself, and the Crucible will chew you up, spit out your ragged remains, and piss on them. But when alls said and done, you’ll be a Marine.
    Only after they’ve finished scaring us do they start talking about all the cool shit we can do in the Corps. Usually by telling stories of they’ve done after we finished PT.

  5. I know I want to join either the Navy or the Marines as an aviator through (hopefully) the USNA, or definitely ROTC, but I’m really torn as to which one. Damn. Oh well. Still got two years to think about it.

  6. Hello Frank,
    Are you interested in more veterans stories? I served 6 years in the U.S.N. during Reagan and Bush Sr. We went all over the world, was in the med in ’86 when Gaddafi had his”line of death” thing. Learned a good trade, served honorably and did finally go to college…and still am in college! Anyhow, thanks for printing the veterans stories.
    John

  7. “I told the recruiter that I wanted to be an MP, and naturally he signed me up to be a Legal Clerk. He assured me that it was pretty much the same thing and that I could always change my MOS after I was in.”
    ROTFLMAO!
    That just gets me to thinking about some of lies that my Navy recruiter told me with the straightest of faces – one of the smaller ones being that OF COURSE you’ll be able to take the day off on Christmas during Boot Camp. You can even go home and see your family if you want.

  8. Lyons,
    It has been my (and others I know) experience that recruiters mainly lie about “career fields” and duty postings. They have to fill certain slots. So they will tell lies (as has been noted by others) like: “you can cross train out” or “you won’t get sent to (shudder) Turkey.”
    Regards,
    sam

  9. Wait… El Jefe?
    isnt that the name of a guitaurist/trumpet player/ vocalist for NoFx?
    A band that is so anti war the theme of their las CD was “Bush is a f***-n idiot?”
    Great band but whoever writes their lyrics snorted waaaaay to much crack
    P.s. NO offense to this el jefe

  10. El Jefe –
    Thank you for serving our country for 20 years.
    You suck for the 1970 340 ‘Cuda, though. I’m jealous. When I find one of the remaining AAR’s, I’ll show you up, fly boy.
    😉

  11. Sam: Then that confirms that I’ve been lucky, since if our recruiters HAVE been lying, that means we will never ever see combat or leave the States.
    Then again, that could just be because most of us want to go into the infantry.

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