Huckawards

I know the Republican Party is big and diverse, but at what point can you say to someone, “No. You are not a Republican.”? Now, IMAO has always followed the 11th commandment and never said anything bad about a fellow Republican in its history, but I’m starting to wonder about Huckabee. In the last debate, in response to charges that he raised taxes, Huckabee responded with, “What I also raised was hope.” And I saw Huckabee recently criticizing Romney because, in the course of running companies with tens of thousands of jobs, Romney laid off a few people. How is that brainless populism any different from something John Edwards would say?
I really think anyone who votes for Huckabee should have to turn in his Republican card. And his testicles.
UPDATE:
I’m not the only one who noticed this.

58 Comments

  1. as well, Fred the Great explained huckawanabee’s democratic platform in a prior republican debate. i think even huchawanabee knows now he shouldn’t be president of the USA. what people are doing voting for him is ludicrous.

  2. Huckabee is a weasel who’ll say anything to get himself elected (remind you of another former Arkansas governor?).
    Yes, there is room in the Republican party for Huckabee – as long as that room is in an Arkansas retirement home.

  3. There is but one true Conservative in this race and his name is MR. Fred Thompson! McCain opposed the Bush tax cuts and wants to grant Amnesty to anyone who can get into the country illegally, Rudy wants to abort you or take away all your guns and the Huckster wants a nationwide ban on smoking…the ultimate Nannystater!!! Before turning in their balls, they should be punched in them first, Frank!

  4. HT: NRO
    “For those of us for whom summer is not a verb, for those of us who didn’t go to fancy boarding schools on the east coast, for those of us who didn’t grow up with a silver spoon, who were lucky to have a spoon — ask those folks and they’ll tell you the economy is not doing well for them,” says Huckabee.
    To Huckabee, there’s the Monopoly Guy America and the Oliver Twist America.
    I get the feeling the only reason he isn’t a Democrat is because they would never support a staunch pro-lifer.

  5. The Huckster is a Populist. Populists have always sought Big Government solutions. The Huckster couldn’t create a job without government funding if his life depended on it.
    Romney has many faults, but I’d rather see Romney in office than Huckabee.

  6. Thing is, MAJ Mike, most evangelicals I’m aware of would agree. And I’m one of them. Hell, I’d vote for McCain before Huckabee, if for no other reason that McCain isn’t playing ridiculous Democratic Party-style identity politics.

  7. Huckabee is the natural result when every democrat in power and half the Republicans in power are rabidly in favor of unrestricted abortion.
    He has been driven away from the democrats, even though he agrees with them about almost everything, because he disagrees on one issue. You can’t be a democrat and be allowed to win elections if you are pro-life.
    Meanwhile, the evanglical wing of the GOP is so desperate for a candidate who will once again make the sanctity of life a top issue that when Huckabee comes along they ignore all his liberal baggage and hails him a savior.
    This is why we need to take abortion off the table and make it a non-issue for now. Agree to disagree. Vote on every other issue and ignore abortion. That will destroy the democrats, because without that one big issue, they can’t win elections.
    Then, once we have set everything else in order, THEN we can tackle the life issue without risking everything else.

  8. This is why we need to take abortion off the table and make it a non-issue for now. Agree to disagree. Vote on every other issue and ignore abortion. That will destroy the democrats, because without that one big issue, they can’t win elections.
    If I may, years ago, an activist judiciary sought to end the debate “once and for all” via Roe vs. Wade.
    It clearly didn’t.
    It made abortion a national issue.
    Overturning Roe vs. Wade turns the issue back to the states and the previous state laws. It is more removed from the national stage and localizes the issue.
    It is critical to ensure judges that sit at the federal and supreme level understand judicial restraint.

  9. Obviously, you guys are clueless…
    I’ll try to explain it again. Down here in wage-slave land, we don’t care about the estate tax or top marginal rate tax cuts that are going to expire. Instead, we look at the 9 TRILLION national debt and wonder how in God’s name that is ever going to be paid off.
    You all call yourselves small government conservatives, but has it ever occurred to you that, much like a credit card, that cutting taxes and borrowing to pay for government in fact makes government more attractive, because you get more of it for less? Make it clear to people they have to pay for every ounce of government they get, they’ll start demanding the end of wasteful government programs.
    We do care about values issues that these guys talk about when they are up for election and then forget about after they are sworn in… until the next time they are up for election. That is when they aren’t caught boffing a page or taking a huge bribe from a special interest. (And before you sputter..’but, but, Democrats do that too!” that isn’t the point. We should be better!)
    I’ve voted in every election since 1980, and voted for the Republican every time. Probably will this time, regardless of which of these fools gets the nod.

  10. “You all call yourselves small government conservatives, but has it ever occurred to you that, much like a credit card, that cutting taxes and borrowing to pay for government in fact makes government more attractive, because you get more of it for less? Make it clear to people they have to pay for every ounce of government they get, they’ll start demanding the end of wasteful government programs. ”
    I call bulls–t, Joe. The government programs are forced wealth redistribution. The people who get the services are not paying for them in either case (be it lower taxes, or back to higher taxes hen the cuts are repealed). If you wrote “we need to balance the tax cuts with a reduction in government handouts” then you’d have my agreement, but that’s not even close to what you wrote. The reduction in government that never came after the “contract with America” created the Republican congress is one of the core reasons the Rep. base is so disillusioned now.

  11. You all call yourselves small government conservatives, but has it ever occurred to you that, much like a credit card, that cutting taxes and borrowing to pay for government in fact makes government more attractive, because you get more of it for less?
    Joe,
    You (again) seem to miss the first word in “small government conservativism.”
    Cut taxes and cut government.
    It’s why the Republicans lost the House in 06. The Republicans became like Huckabee and less like conservatives. Had they stuck to conservative principles, we would have seen lower taxes and a reduction in the size of government.

  12. The problem with that kind of thinking is that we aren’t ever forced to make the choices. I recall when the Gingrich congress tried to finally cut the mother of all corporate welfare, the grant to PBS. Now, PBS doesn’t need the grant. It could easily make up that money by advertising or properly getting their share of merchandising. Well, they dragged out the crying kiddies and said mean old Republicans wanted to kill Big Bird. And lo and behold, there were hundreds of letters to Congress to stop them from cutting the grant to PBS. They ran off with their tails between their legs.
    Make people pay for government without borrowing it, and they’ll want less government.

  13. That same Congress also passed meaningful welfare reform, also thought to be untouchable because the proponents would be cast as “meanies.”
    It can happen if you stick to the principles and find ways to effectively communicate that all Americans have an interest in a more conservative America.

  14. Make people pay for government without borrowing it, and they’ll want less government.
    Except, of course, for the parasites who don’t have to pay for it (or even get “tax refunds” when they didn’t pay any taxes in the first place) – they vote Democrat and sure as hell don’t want less government. Apparently, this is where Comrade Huckabee hopes to pick up more votes. If it weren’t for the pro-life element, Huckabee would be the basest, class warfare-spewing, Democrat – a pro-life Silky Pony.
    I’m sure that means nothing to JoeB Stalin. But then, I’m no doubt considered a member of the Bourgeoisie, not the Proletariat like good ole Joe, so I’m an enemy of the people and thus not to be given credence.

  15. Actually, Shake, I don’t give you any credence because you use fallacious reasoning, set up straw men to attack, and you take a nickname from a retarded cartoon show.
    Of course, the poor pay taxes. While you go on whining about the income tax and the estate tax, the fact is the poor and working folks pay through the nose with sales, gasoline, cigarette, alcohol taxes, Social Security, Medicare, etc. not to mention property taxes (passed on to renters). Yet what two taxes do so-called conservatives harp on? Estate taxes and income taxes, the only ones actually designed to get the rich to pay their fair share. Then they wonder why they are out of touch and their party nominates people they hate.
    I’m sure some of these folks vote Democratic because they don’t realize they are paying for it. I’ve often said, that instead of the many schemes the government comes up with to separate us from our money, if we had to all come up with a check on April 15th, and then had an election on April 16th, we’d see real change.
    All that said, paying taxes, bad as that is, is not as bad as borrowing ourselves into a hole that well never climb out of. Balance the budget first. Every economist, liberal and conservative alike says that should be job one.

  16. Gee, I’m sorry. With all the free time I have due to my fancy boarding school and my silver spoon, I have been known to watch a “retarded” cartoon show or two. I guess I would be better off disseminating Workers World Party-approved talking points and trolling IMAO.
    Oh wait, I just realized the cartoon character Master Shake is not a member of the Proletariat, either. Death to bourgeois cartoon characters! Tax cartoon characters at 100%…for the children!
    (And for the illegal immigrants, and for the felons who “found Christ”, and for….)

  17. Yet what two taxes do so-called conservatives harp on? Estate taxes and income taxes
    Wrong.
    As noted a number of times here and in debates, conservatives talk about a number of taxes. The income and death taxes are two, but we also complain about the corporate tax and the capital gains tax.
    What do those taxes have in common? The people that pay those taxes are the folks that start businesses, invest in businesses, create job opportunities, and are the driving forces of our economy.
    Pull back from your abject hatred of folks who have more than you. You see a person in a nice house and probably say, “They have hundreds of thousands in the bank!” That’s not the case. Banks are horrible investment vehicles. They invest in other businesses via stocks or direct investment. Many of them are actually not living that far off paycheck-to-paycheck status.
    The evil rich you want to soak probably busted their humps to get where they are with little to no help from the government. They grow wealth and are taxed throughout their life in the same way and more than the proletariat. When they die, they want their loved ones to see the fruits of their labor.
    That’s not greed.
    That’s the American dream, bud.
    You’ve lost your way and jealousy and coveting your neighbor’s life has led you to embrace counter-productive economic principles.

  18. JoeB..#27
    “harping conservatives”, as well, “pay through the nose with sales, gasoline, cigarette, alcohol taxes, SS, Medicare, etc. not to mention property taxes” however, we don’t get governmental housing, Medicaid, WIC, free childcare, free clinics, free school lunches, nor any of the Christian institution hand outs, we pay our ER bills, and other hospital bills – no medical write offs and hospital bill portions are at 300% to help cover the loss for the poor, etc. this list goes on……..

  19. “I’ve often said, that instead of the many schemes the government comes up with to separate us from our money, if we had to all come up with a check on April 15th, and then had an election on April 16th, we’d see real change.”

    JoeB may have gotten some of the other details wrong, but not this one. You can bet that we’d have near-total participation if the Leviathan ended (or was forced to end!) not only withholding, but also all forms of taxation except one, drew up one annual bill and presented it to each adult with the notation: “This is what your citizenship/residence here costs you this year.” You better believe we’d have a much smaller government than we do now!
    Nope, haven’t been drinking that Ronlulan punch. I know this will never happen. Too bad.

  20. Ya know, I was going to take bits of RTPs post, #29, transfer them down here, and make comments. But, by GOD he/she said it so well it didn’t need enhancement OR comment. My hat is off to you sir/ma’am. Damn fine post, and directly on the head of the nail! That one was EXCELLENT!

  21. #29- You miss the point, RTP, that it isn’t that we are coveting the rich’s wealth, its that we would prefer they pay their fair share rather than continuing to borrow ourselves into oblivion. It is ridiculous to say that by giving rich folks huge tax breaks because they ‘boost’ the economy while we are shipping jobs to China and borrowing huge amounts of money from them to prop up the government.
    And before you go on about how we need to “cut welfare” the fact is that most of governments expendatures are for infrastructure, the military, debt interest, and middle class entitlements like social security. You could cut out every last discretionary spending, and you’d STILL have a deficit.
    So who is going to pay that? How about the people who have the most money, and whose greed is probably causing a lot of the problems?

  22. #30 – You call “paying your ER bills” a virtue? Besides the fact that you are covered by insurance, and they pay your bill, it shows the foolishness of our current system. Poor people go to ER’s because they are required by law to treat them, and usually they don’t go until their condition gets so bad they have no real choice. The ER’s go back to the government, which is why they massively overcharge.
    Last March, I slipped on the ice and busted up my knee. Do you know what their massive service was at the ER? They gave me a pair of crutches, a painkiller shot, and took an X-ray. Do you know what they charged my insurance company. $1800.00. Now, for the life of me, I don’t know what they did that they thought was worth $1800.00. I drove myself there, and they really didn’t help me all that much. I was there for less than two hours, so they charged me $900.00 an hour for not helping me all that much. (Eventually, I had to go to an orthopedic surgeon to fix the problem).
    No, I’m not advocating socialized medicine, but I can see where the greed of the medical industry will probably eventually drive us into it.

  23. Hey, Fredheads, congrats on that massive 4% of the vote you won last night. Fred actually beat Mr. “Uncommitted”.
    On a serious note, watch for Rush and the rest of the GOP establishment to suddenly embrace the Mormon and save us from the mean Christian and the War hero.

  24. Joe,
    I agree that if we enact significant cuts we can still risk deficits. Therefore, it is in the nation’s best interest to ensure the economy is sound.
    Your entire focus is making the federal government financially sound.
    My focus is making the US economy financially sound.
    You want the government to threaten your neighbors with jail if they don’t fork over more money that the government didn’t earn and will waste when it gets a hold of it.
    I want a government to ratchet back on regulations that make our businesses uncompetitive and force businesses to ship jobs overseas. I want government to reduce corporate taxes that force our free market companies to maintain higher and less competitive prices.
    Most important, I want folks to really consider how well the federal government has acted as a steward of tax revenue. How many government agencies would you rate as “excellent?” How about “fully effective?” How about “meets or exceeds goals consistantly?”
    The federal government is an inefficient model. Taking money from corporations and other economy building elements and putting it in the hands of agencies never designed to be held accountable is a recipe for disaster.
    On a serious note, watch for Rush and the rest of the GOP establishment to suddenly embrace the Mormon and save us from the mean Christian and the War hero.
    How is that a shock, though your religious tone to the message is both troubling and telling. You only view Romney as “the Mormon,” even though he has never made it a signficant part of his platform. McCain made his military service a central part. Huckabee makes his religion a central part (he complains about it when the press asks questions, but continues to inject religion into his speeches).
    Romney made his bones as a business owner and economy developer. He didn’t do it in the comfy confines of government, where you can blame others if things don’t work. He would rise or fall on his own merits and works.
    I am a Fredhead, but Romney is #2 with Rudy a close third. Why? How can a struggling Chrisitian, like me, support a Mormon and a non-social conservative? Because I’m not interested in platitudes from a pulpit.
    I am voting for a president that understands the world beyond our oceans (Huckabee is clueless) and a president that understands how to maintain America’s economic strength (McCain and Huck – clueless).
    Gotta get back to work.

  25. #42 JoeB:
    a greater percent in the ER are people who should be seeing a PCP within a week. as you state the ER must see them so they do not have to have insurance to get medical attention nor do they have to pay their bill – credit score is meaningless to them.
    your bill reflects that 300% price up for covering all those who do not pay or do not have insurance. insurance premiums are not only what goes up.
    as well, the legimate attention or better “bedside” care you should have received is lost due to the high volume that does not belong in the ER. people who truly need a bed in a hospital can’t get placed because of some “patient” who really just needs to see a PCP is taking it up or someone without a PCP and wants PCP care from the hospital.

    in a like manner, 2 novembers ago this unisured driver hit four of cars, mine was the first one hit, the fella was given all the tickets- no one was as fault but the unisured – but all of us who are insured had to pay. out of our pockets and with our insurance.

    a big piece of that what-harping-conservatives-don’t-get list is education as well. there is no reduced or granted tuition….and the loans get paid back while still paying all the taxes due.

    abject poverty or the truly needy are with us and need our care and attention. however, most often a great percent of the difference between ‘the poor’ and ‘harping conservatives’ is what is chosen on a personal level to live in the American system.

    RockThrowingPeasant,
    Good Lord you’re good! If your parents are to thank for that then i extend my thanks to them.

  26. You’ve lost your way and jealousy and coveting your neighbor’s life has led you to embrace counter-productive economic principles.
    And with that, I declare a moby. I would say old-fashioned Dixiecrat, but most of them don’t bother with the blogosphere, too busy ranting about Trilateralists. They’re real Unionists, but they’re also genuinely pro-military. The pro-veteran stuff just seems too hokey, like someone who believes every conservative is a chickenhawk who worships the military the same way a libtard worships crank science. It would never occur to such a person that respect and worship are not synonymous, certainly not for conservatives, who are fiercely independent and wholly unlike pack/tribe-minded liberals in outlook.
    Most are churchgoing Christians, but, like with issues of racial equality, struggle with the sin of envy. Everyone feels envy at some point, but genuine Christians look inside themselves and ask God to correct that sin rather than indulge it and assume it’s everyone else with the problem. Plank out of your own eye, Thou Shalt Not Covet, and all that. And there’s enough fellowship around Dixiecrats who helpfully offer correction in that regard.
    Lastly, Dixiecrats are, let’s face it, pretty damn bigoted. They would be the very last people to call anyone else bigoted, since they think their bigotry is either justified or they were simply raised that way and don’t consider it a personal failing.
    So yeah, I may be over-analysing, but my conclusion is that Joe’s a moby.

  27. #44- I don’t disagree with you. Yes, we need government that is more efficient and we need regulation that aids business instead of holding them back. But our economy will not be stable if we have a situation where the national debt exceeds the GNP. If we put 100 billion into debt repayment, that would be 100 billion available for investment and growth. It’s a matter of priorities.
    I freely admit my anti-Mormon bias. I first encountered Mormons in 1983, and found them to be the most smile in your face, stab you in the back types I’ve ever met in my life. That was before I actually researched the absolutely goofy things they believe. The fact he’s a corporate suit doesn’t impress me much, really. I would have a very hard time voting for him if somehow he gets the nomination.
    Simply, I don’t believe the current GOP economic policies. They don’t bring prosperity to anyone but millionaires. The only thing that tethers me to the GOP is their stand on the more important social issues.

  28. you’re genius Frankj. Fred Thompson’s voting record backs up his talk. And Romney could be vp. and totally os, pigdog, your name makes me laugh because i have a lamp that has a dog’s face and a pig’s butt and I call my lamp “POG”, the Pig-assed dog. sorry. i think that is funny.

  29. Joe,
    Redarding the Mormon bias, I’m not going to defend the Mormon Church. I will say that from the perpective of an onmipotent, onmipresent, and onmiscient G-d, our “substantial” differences probably give him a chuckle.
    For me, they worship the G-d of Abraham, Moses, and the Apostles. Do they diverge and go some directions that make me raise an eyebrow? Yes. However, unlike your experience, I’ve found Mormons to be generally good people. They don’t warm to outsiders, but given how some view their faith (cough, cough), I can understand their inability to connect with other evangelicals.
    They are raising good families, paying taxes, and show respect for my faith and my beliefs.
    What more do you want from a fellow American?

  30. Basilisk, the reason I am pro-Veteran is because, hey, I am a veteran. so was my father. So was my grandfather. (Of course, he was in the German Army in WWI, so maybe that doesn’t count.)
    Dixiecrat? Last time I checked, I come from the Land of Lincoln… Let’s see what else you get horribly wrong.
    I’m not envious. I just see a real danger when a country becomes made up of only the very rich and the very poor. Being a student of history, I know of a lot of other examples. France, 1789. Russia, 1917, Iran 1979. Hilarity ensues. (Which is to say, for the irony deficient, is that really bad things happen because otherwise sensible people will go along with really bad ideas because they’re desperate.)
    Now, are we going to keep making incorrect assumptions about me, or actually talk about issues?

  31. #50- I want a guy who I don’t think is telling me what he thinks I want to hear. I think that’s dishonest.
    Romney claims to be a social conservative, but he governed as a liberal.
    Yesterday, he promised a lot of job protection to Michigan, but he made his bones in the corporate world by downsizing people.
    And, yes, that does fit into my biases about Mormons. Nobody can be that smiley-stupid all the time. Heck, even Jesus had bad days. I suspect they’re up to something.

  32. #45- Doesn’t that indicate the system is broken? Yeah, maybe those people didn’t belong there. (Then again, maybe I didn’t, and I was just panicked I thought I had broken something on a Saturday). But you can’t see a PCP without insurance or a wad of cash upfront. So they go to the emergency rooms and dodge their debts, the hospitals overcharge everyone else and people who shouldn’t be there take up all the time. Do you not think the system is seriously broken?
    I don’t know what the solution is. I don’t trust government to run it any better, but too many people are slipping through the cracks.

  33. Romney claims to be a social conservative, but he governed as a liberal.
    Well, he’s talked about this. He has stated that he had a “come to Jesus” moment regarding life and other social conservative issues. Do I know 100% that he is genuine? I can’t.
    However, some of the strongest voices came from folks most would wash their hands of. G-d has touched the hearts of criminals. He worked through a murderer (Moses), an adulterer (David), liars, persecutors, sinners of all types. G-d’s power turned a fierce opponent of Christ, Saul, into one of the strongest disciples for His word (Paul).
    I underwent a similar conversion. For years, I turned from G-d and proclaimed myself an atheist. I had reviewed the subject numerous times and felt confident in my belief that there is no G-d. In August 2004, I decided to revisit my beliefs and when I accepted Christ’s salvation, my heart changed.
    Since that time, I’ve dedicated my time to learning the wisdom of G-d’s revealed Word. One of the most important lessons was the first lesson. Adam longed for more and longed for equal footing with G-d. He allowed pride and jealousy to corrupt his heart. Had he taken a step back, as I urge you to do, and realize G-d blessings in his life, he would’ve accepted that there is much in the world he would never understand. So, rather than let what we perceive as “unfairness” cloud our mind and soul, we should take stock in our lives and rediscover the greatest gift G-d gave Man.
    Freedom.
    Freedom was G-d’s greatest gift. Our nation’s strength (and if you really take a look at our fragile nature in the past and the incredible odds we overcame to become so successful, you will be in awe) comes from emphasizing freedom. Freedom to worship. Freedom to speak. Freedom to pursue happiness (not a guarantee to happiness).
    The economic principles I hold come from the belief that the freer men are, the more we realize G-d’s plan. Look at the countries in which Christianity is free to grow or prospered. Look at the countries that took active measures to stop it. When government’s increase control, they look to stop the people from worshiping. As a Christian, do you feel your government is sometimes hostile toward religion? Was that the case when our government had less power and influence in our lives?
    Don’t fall for the seductive trap offered by populist rhetoric. The path to less freedom is paved with good intentions. Take a deep, long look at the correlation between government growth, freedom, and how closely we follow Christ’s message.
    If you want an American future in which we are more free, in which Americans feel more connected to G-d and His Word, in which people treat each other as they want to be treated, I believe you will reach a similar conclusion. A less intrusive government, providing the freedom for folks to use their G-d given talents to the fullest, is in the best long term interest. Populism takes money and freedom from us, sifts it through bureaucracies, and gives us DC’s version of “improved.” The very nature of a populist government is to serve clients, not citizens.

  34. RTP, are you Jewish? I’m not having a Mel Gibson moment here, but I know that spelling the name of the almighty as “G-d” is something religious Jewish people do.
    I may not agree with you, but I respect the thought you put into your posts. I don’t think we disagree as much as you think.

  35. Nehemiah Scuddabee appears to have a dangerous prediliction to base policy solely on theological grounds. Given his open appeals to evangelical voters, this should probably not be a surprise. In the US, however, while a candidate for office is free to base his policies on his complete background (including his religion), he should not read his religion (and his religion only) into the documents creating the institutions in which he hopes to serve. Nehemiah appeared to do this in his recent defence of a Constitutional amendment to ban gay marriage: “But I believe it’s a lot easier to change the Constitution than it would be to change the word of the living God,” Huckabee said. “And that’s what we need to do, is to amend the Constitution so it’s in God’s standards rather than try to change God’s standards.”

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