Rush Limbaugh endorses Mitt Romney. I think this is the first time Rush has endorses anyone in a Republican primary.
Too little too late? I’m not very hopeful as of late.
In other news, first winner this Super Tuesday… Mike Huckabee! (West Virginia… heard it on TV but can’t find a link yet)
A vote for Huck is a vote for McCain. So McCain won WV then?
Just saw it on Fox News. I’m slightly surprised, I must admit.
P.S. Here’s a link to the Washington Post
I hope Romney loses just so Limbaugh will shut up. Limbaugh has been doing his little bigotry act for years now. He needs to shut up. And he wil. I knew he would endorse that evil cultist brainwashing nutjob.
[Is this all an act are you honestly this retarded? -Ed.]
Actually, that last post wasn’t me. You see, it amuses Alan to pretend to be me… Unfortunate, really.
Rush’s antipathy towards McCain is more personal than policy wise, so I am not surprised. Rush is finding out he isn’t as important as he likes to think he is…
I just wonder how ANYONE can really claim Romney is a conservative.
Here’s a link to the Huckster winning WV. It’s a convention, actually, not a caucus or a primary.
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8UKBKNG2&show_article=1
Actually, the McCain delegates teamed up with the Huck Delegates to beat Romney after Ron Paul was eliminated in the first ballot.
Well, JoeB131, people like you have claimed to be Conservatives… so why not Romney?
Rush has never (ever) claimed to be someone who is “important” enough that people will do what he says. That is one of the oldest liberal talking points around… so that proves your bona fides on that topic.
It is not “personal” to point out that McCain is not a Conservative. In fact, that is precisely why people listen to Rush: he does the homework and uses honesty, humor, and a razor-sharp intellect to inform his listeners.
He also encourages people to use their own brains… a dangerous thing, indeed.
Joe,
We have had folks on this site claiming Huckabee and McCain are conservative. Can you believe that?
Whether you wrote that last post or not, you ARE retarded. I think having a United States Senator acting like admiral douchebag for years might lead one to not like said Senator. McCain doesn’t like Rush because McCain can’t stand any opinion that’s not favorable towards him. You may return to your previously scheduled blissful ignorance.
#9 – Oh, come on, when you endorse a guy who once promised to be better on gay rights than Ted Kennedy, over a guy with a 82% ACU career rating, it is personal.
I remember back on his TV show, Rush said very favorable things about McCain when one of the “Year of the Woman” candidates ran against him in 1992. Something happened since then where the two men have had a falling out, probably the way Rush mocked the guy in 2000.
I can see Rush supporting Fred Thompson over McCain. There’s a better argument to be made there. But Romney? Let’s look at the record, shall we?
Supported Abortion rights.
Supported Gay rights
Socialized medicine in Mass with an insurance mandate.
Said that McCain-Kennedy was “reasonable”.
Signed gun control legislation
Raised more than 800 million in new taxes (more than Huckabee did in Arkansas.)
Said that he didn’t want to be a continuation of “Reagan-Bush”.
Yeah, now he’s saying what you want to hear, but that isn’t who he is.
JoeB131,
Record! You wanna look at the record?!
*McCain-Feingold (Free speech anyone?)
*McCain-Kennedy
*Supports enforcing global warming hysteria(Which would wreck our economy with unneeded regulations)
*Lies about his record
*Voted against Tax cuts
*Keating Five
*Has the nerve to suggest that the surge was all his idea. (Everyone else was too stupid.)
If you want to talk about the record, then talk about your disgusting candidate’s record.
JackassB131,
If you’re gonna bring up gun control you might not want to mention this:
http://www.gunowners.org/op0124.htm
West Veerginia? Go brush your tooth and get ready for your sister to come home from work so the two of you can have sex together in the back of the trailer home before your 12 children get home from the coal mines…being too retarded for any school … Huckabee you dick weeds?
Yet, oddly enough, the NRA is about to endorse McCain..
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/04/us/politics/04mccain.html?_r=1&oref=slogin
Also, Fred Thompson voted for McCain Feingold, and George W. Bush signed it. So why is McCain signalled out for scorn? I think Mc-F is a bad law, because it has simply shifted the money from the politicians and parties to the 527s. I guess if I had an extra $2000 lying about, I sure wouldn’t give it to a politician.
McCain-Kennedy- Romney said it was reasonable before he started pandering for the bigot vote. Bush also pushed for it.
McCain called for increasing troop levels before the 2006 election, when Bush resisted it and some republicans were calling for withdrawl.
Considering we’ve run up something like 2 trillion in debt since the tax cuts were put into place (w/o spending cuts), maybe that reluctance was justified? This is why conservatives are in trouble, because we’ve been spending like liberals in the last 8 years.
USJC, you sure know how to cut to the chase! Wouldn’t have put it quite that way, but I am sinking deeper into complete disillusionment with the whole mess.
I don’t get it. A Mormon friend stated months ago that there is NO way this country would elect a Mormon at this time. I didn’t agree. The MSM keeps talking about how Huckabee has the evangelical vote in his pocket. Being one of them, I disagreed.
I think I need to just go sit out on the porch and think awhile.
#14 – Posted by: JoeB131 on February 5, 2008 03:45 PM
The “Bigot vote”.
I don’t see how anyone can reason with you. Do you have any idea how much strain illegals are putting on this country? This country’s health system and school system is taking far too much weight. Illegals hurt the middle class more than you’re corporate “Bigwig” boogieman. You’re an absolute jackass. I didn’t once sterotype hispanics or ridicule their culture but I know you’re going to call me a bigot. And before you say “We can’t deport them all” WE DON’T HAVE TO! We have laws on the books that will solve the problem.
Oh and one more thing. John McCain is OWNED by big business. Kinda funny considering how anti-business you are.
neocon cowgirl, I think I just need to go sit out on the porch and DRINK awhile !
Yeah, and ussjc’s 12 genetically-altered, inbred children are primed and ready to follow in their parents hooked footprints. Oh, gawd, ussjc… LMAO
#11, you forgot the Gang of 14. Part of me wants to see McCain get elected just so I can see his face when the Dems fillibuster his court apppointments. It would serve him right.
McCain saw he wasn’t going to win WV, so he told his people to vote for Huck to prevent a Romney win. Romney was way ahead on the first ballot, but was just shy of a majority so they had to go to the second ballot. That’s when McAmnesty pulled his little stunt. Jerk.
16# – I watched Lou Dobbs show last night, where he was having a debate with a woman with an immigrant’s rights group. Which means he was shouting her down and abusing her. I’ve only heard rumors about his show (which used to be pretty reasonable before he found his ‘niche’.)
I had no idea of how horrible it was until I watched it.
Maybe not all the critics of McCain on this issue are bigots, but enough of them are to make me uncomfortable, and it takes a lot for me to be uncomfortable.
Yes, the immigration system is broken, and it is putting a strain on other systems. So you fix the system. McCain actually offered something reasonable. Set up border enforcement and verifiable workplace identification before giving z-visas to the ones already here. Put the illegals above board, and they will be contributing to the systems instead of draining them. They pay a substantial fine and wait 13 years to become citizens.
This is what SHOULD have happened with Simpson-Mazzoli. (Which was signed by that bleeding heart liberal, Ronald Reagan.) The law called for it, but the border was never secured and a system was never set up to verify worker ID. That’s why we have a problem now.
#19 – Hearsay, I’ll admit, but I can’t say I’d be surprised if he did that. He’s that kind of sleazy professional politician, so I wouldn’t put it past him.
A Huckabee win in West Virginia was inevitable after he got a ringing endorsement from Cletus Spuckler.
What a sorry state of affairs in which right thinking people find themselves when they are forced to support someone, anyone, from Massachusetts.
Gov. Romney’s “conservative record” is a mixed bag which is why we needed Duncan Hunter with Fred as his veep (no offense Frank J.). Since that option is no longer available, we have to choose the least worst candidate (which sucks).
We need to institute a “none of the above” option in the general election and, if “none of the above” wins, then those people on the ballot cannot run again during that election cycle.
Mc Cain is a RINO who does not honestly answer questions, nor address criticisms, concerning his temperament and voting record.
He’s a politician first which means that his desire for power will cause him to say and do anything to win (even if it is a lie). No wonder the liberals look upon him as a kindred spirit.
#20 – Posted by: JoeB131 on February 5, 2008 04:26 PM
Wow, you’re an idiot. You know why? Because McCain’s bill wasn’t needed. Damn it, this is the last time I’m saying this. WE ALREADY HAVE LAWS ON THE BOOKS!
Also, Reagan signed that bill because he mistakenly believed that the numbnuts in congress would actually enforce the law. Besides, there was an estimated 3 million illegals in the country at the time. Now estimates range from 12 to 20. Also, you didn’t mention how giving amnesty would fix our broken education and health systems.
SeeDubya has it right over at Junkyard Blog: thanks for nothing. If Rush was going to break his rule of not endorsing during a primary (a chickenhawk rule if ever Rush had one, I’ll say), why not do it earlier and give Fred the momentum he needed? Or (at the very least), why not endorse Romney oh I don’t know, several weeks ago when people might have heard about it before going to the polls? Not too little, but far too late. What is going on with the conservatives in this country? We’re watching our party go to hell right before our very eyes, and nobody is doing anything about it until just after they see it finally slip from their grasp. Ridiculous.
Steady, our party has been going down the tubes since Reagan. Now, it’s reached an intellectual dead end. Wait ’till Fred endorses McCain. That’ll be the nail in the coffin.
Rush has endorsed in a primary once before. In 2000 he endorsed Bush over McCain.
I don’t think Rush Limbaugh likes John McCain very much. Why didn’t he endorse Fred Thompson earlier? Guess Rush didn’t like Fred either. He only likes Mitt. Seems like he is kind of wasting it here at the last minute when it won’t help. I’m not sure Mitt would help at all with global warming so I really can’t get behind him.
I believe that all this angst will be cathartic for Republicans in general, and Conservatives in particular.
Kind of like how it hurts really bad to pass a kidney stone, but then you feel so much better when the stone (McCain) is out.
One thing I’ve heard recently (can’t remember exactly where) was “it’s better to die on the hill of integrity than to live in the valley of submission.”
The tendrils of socialism and BIG government are tightening around our country… we have to fight back.
#16 VCOB
You’re right. If we cut off all, and I do mean all, social services, free medical care, education and jobs, then there would be little incentive for illegal aliens to stay.
The dirty little secret about illegal aliens is that many of them are the dregs of their former societies. They are often functionally illiterate in Spanish, petty criminals, or both.
Since they are way overrepresented in the national prison population it proves that “they are just doing the crimes that Americans won’t do anymore….”
P.S. Don’t buy into the canard that says “we can’t deport them all.” We could commit the resources to get it done, but few politicians have the cojones (pun intended) to do so. Obviously we’ll have to control the border before we start the process.
Oh, and just say no to “Aztlan” (we bought it for 15 million dollars in 1845 and kept the receipt–the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo).
30 was mine. That’s what I get for proofreading. 😛
Super-Tuesday is just a Super-Conspiracy to keep Ron Paul from being elected!! When us Ronnie P. supporters went to vote we had our asses kicked for just looking like whimps. Of course we ran like schoolgirls and because of the rampent voter intimidation, our voices were not heard. That’s why we stay at home and vote 10,000 times an hour in every online and cell phone poll we can think of. Ron Paul 4-ever!! He’s the best…..Woo-Hoo,……
I’ll be back in like 20min., I have to burn my cloths and shower for posting that!
He should have endorsed FRED long ago instead.
#30 – Posted by: on February 5, 2008 05:21 PM
Oh, I have no doubt we could deport them, but I was just destroying his useless rhetoric.
Vote for Huckabee, or he’ll put you filthy, capitalist Mormon-lovers in the detention camps that Boooosh set up!
#27 – and look how well that worked out!
#24- The problem is that the law was unworkable… As long as you have a labor surplus on one side of a border and a labor shortage on the other, you are going to have migration. What we should have developed was a system where legal immigration happened for unskilled labor instead of only highly skilled labor.
As far as the system being overwealmed, illegal already contribute to supporting it through taxes (paid to their false SSN) property taxes (paid by their landlords and sales taxes (paid when they use goods & services.) Get them above board, you get a proper accounting from them, and enough revenues to support what they are putting on the system.
#30- Thanks for proving my point about the bigot vote. Lou would be proud.
Pretty sure Rush endorsed Buchanan over Bush back in 92.
Modern definition of a bigot: A conservative using facts to win an argument with a liberal.
JoeB131, how is it that Rightjabs is a bigot for pointing out facts available to anyone with critical thinking skills? Just because it refutes your feelings-based thought methodology and your liberal guilt identity politics?
I’m starting to think that every time you call someone a bigot you don’t even realize you’re looking in the mirror.
Hey Frank: can you tell the real JoeB131 from those parodying him by the IP addresses? We can’t from the texts.
Romney would have a hard time winning anyways. Mormons are about as popular as Jehova Witnesses.
Limbaugh didn’t endorse McCain. I heard the radio snippet while listening to the radio. If that’s an endorsement, it’s a funny one, since he also mentioned Thompson moments later in the show.
So, let’s get the story straight: Limbaugh also endorsed Thompson at the same time he endorsed Romney. How so? Using the endorsement criterion that must exist to call Limbaugh’s Romney comment an endorsement, well, he said the same thing about Thompson in the same radio segment. Hmmm….
Gonasto Bingtag
“When golfing at the zoo, you gotta play the ball where the monkey drops it.”
40- Referring to people as “Dregs”, using the race-baiting “Atzlan” comments. I lived with a Mexican chick for 11 years, never heard her or any of her friends use that word. The lie about illegal aliens being “overrepresented’ in the prison population. (Not true.) Can you not see the bigotry of his comments? Seriously?
Not the first time we’ve seen this in American history. Back in the day, there were all sorts of claims about Catholics made when Italian and Irish immigrants came over. Germans were supposedly plotting against America in beer-halls, which is why they imposed prohibition. Same old bigotry, finding a new victim.
It’s a practical impossibility to deport 12-20 million people, using anything short of Nazi/Soviet tactics.
I know the Republican Party is better than this. The real republican party, the guys and gals who work their communities. Tonight, McCain and Huckabee, the guys who are fair and compassionate on this issue, are winning, while Romney has only barely won his home state after spending millions of his own money.
Comrade JoeB, your attempts to destroy America from the inside are admirable. However, you should not disparage the great Communist tactics that you so eloquently advocate in bringing down the evil capitalists. Of course our dormant Soviet brothers could deport 20 million people! Your hero, Fearless Leader Stalin, did so quite easily. OK, starve to death, not deport, but close enough for Politburo! Ha ha!
Your attacks on others’ religion while calling the capitalist pig commenters here bigots is pure progressive genius, comrade. Keep it up, and they will soon bow down before us!
#5 JoeB131-
Actually, that last post wasn’t me. You see, it amuses Alan to pretend to be me… Unfortunate, really.
Don’t flatter yourself, ya little whiner. Trust me, being you, even just for pretends, is the last thing I would ever care to be.
Can’t you just stick to calling me a bigot? Of all the immature & spiteful names you’ve called me so far, insinuating that I was pretending to be you was the worst.
JoeB131 said:
“40- Referring to people as “Dregs”…”
I believe the word he used was ‘many’. Now I realize with your gubmint edjukation you might not understand the nuance there. Some are dregs, some are not. The point is, all of them are coming here with no way for us to know which is which, and with NO accountability. For every decent, only mildly-law-breaking migrant (I mean, what the heck, they’re only American laws after all) I can point to a coyote, or an MS-13 gang member, or a drug smuggler.
And these are just the infamous criminals, I’m not even referring to the ordinary run-of-the-mill (!)crimes committed by someone who shouldn’t even be here. Or do you think that a rape somehow isn’t a rape because the rapist wasn’t supposed to be here?
And yes, I’m aware that Joe will now claim that I called all illegal aliens rapists, even though I said nothing of the sort. I’m sure I’ll be called a bigot. I can live with that.
The first time I ever saw the word ‘Aztlan’ was on a sign held by a marcher in one of the big illegal immigration rights protests of a couple of years back. I also saw the word ‘Reconquista’ in the same news segment. Anyone here besides me care to translate that? Kind of gives lie to the canard that all illegals are just peaceful lettuce pickers.
Heh. Lettuce pickers. Your pigeonholing migrant workers into certain menial type jobs just so you can have cheap produce is the REAL bigotry. But then, most libs are elitists, and elitists do need their servant class, don’t chew know.
And last, your comparison with the bigotry of the last waves of immigrants is pure fallacy. The Irish and Germans and Italians that you mentioned all had to board ships, and consequently were counted and registered when they arrived here. Legally. AND, the biggest point is they came here to be Americans, and managed to do so in most cases within ONE generation. Sometimes less. They didn’t come across the border willy-nilly with no intention of assimilating into this society. The immigrants of yesteryear became proud Americans, bearing our flag in two devastating world wars, while the illegal immigrants of today trample Americans’ rights and in many instances raise their national flag over ours.
If you like we can go into the costs of illegal immigration such as Social security fraud, welfare fraud, the burgeoning collapse of our emergency rooms, and so on. Or we could talk about the fracturing and balkanization of American culture. S’up to you.
By the way, I found that the people who tried to justify a position because they claimed to know lots of Mexicans (or blacks, or whatever) were the biggest bigots of all. If your position is based on facts you shouldn’t need to claim cultural superiority.
To all other IMAOers: Sorry about the long post. I just didn’t want to leave that presumptive crap he spews unanswered.
And now, back to teh funny….
JoeB131 also wrote:
“Same old bigotry, finding a new victim”
Yep, no one here but us bigots, lurking in bigot ambush just a-waitin’ for the next o-pressed bunch to come stridin’ down into the holler. Quick, Bubba Jack, spray yer bigotry juice all over ’em!
dkirk-
I’m not sure why he doesn’t just go out in public with a sign that says “Look At Me! Please Look At Me!”. He sure is enjoying the attention he gets from us; how much better would it be to actually interact with others in person… unless he’s worried about rejection & getting his ass kicked repeatedly.
That’s probably it:
Fear. If he was so worried about someone else stealing his name (which isn’t really all his anyway, as he claims. He also claims that he uses a different name on each website he visits, but the one he uses here just happens to coincide with some snot-nosed soccer kid in England…go figure), then why not link to his own blog/homepage? Could it be…?
Yup. FEAR AGAIN! Afraid of actually having to put up a way to find him (after all, “they” might be watching him, y’know). That’s also know as cowardice, but that’s also par for the course with the Left.
Maybe now that I’ve said that, he’ll call me a bigot again for not acknowledging the Mexican “race”, or a pervert for using Google to discover his not-so-secret name (which makes me wonder if I didn’t merely just hit a nerve when I posted the Bebo link). Anything to deflect the truth about “himself”.
But his insinuation that I could willfully post that kind of trash under “his” name is nauseating and kinda humorous at the same time.
As though I could drink that much cheap whiskey…
#46- Writing styles and grammar are pretty distinctive. We all know it’s you, Fredo. I realize that you don’t like having your bigotry publically exposed, you like to think you are a good person, I guess. Hitler liked to think he was a good person.
#47- Dirk, we have plenty of our own drug dealers, rapists, etc amongst our own citizens, and we don’t use that as an excuse to denounce Americans as criminals. It’s like calling all Italians gangsters because a few belong to the Mafia. The funny thing is that as much as the bigots whine about our border being violated (which I put up there with stealing paper clips from the office, really. That’s a crime, too, but no one cares much), they never really call for the solution of confiscating the business of anyone who hires them. Of course not, that would be upsetting rich folks, and we know the far right is never for that. Give that boy another tax cut and apologize.
#50- Actually, I have a pretty good social life, and I post on a lot of boards, where someone claiming I was a liberal would be pretty much laughed out of the room. As far as who is and isn’t a real Republican/Conservative, I would point at last night’s results, where the candidates I like, McCain and Huckabee, won a lot of states, and Mr. Magic Underpants, who destroyed his reputation pandering to bigots, didn’t win any major states except his own home state.
At some point, Romney’s family is going to have to call an intervention. He won six states last night, but they are small. He won Massachusetts (barely), his home state, and Utah, which is full of his fellow Mormons. Why that might sound good, keep in mind he has spent more money than his opponents combined, much of it his own. He put 18 million of his own money into his campaign in the fourth quarter alone (he only raised 9 million from donors), and has spent a lot more in this quarter. The other states were ones the others didn’t really bother with.
At some point, his family is going to have to say, “Mitt, you are blowing all the money you’ve earned stealing the paychecks of hard working Americans, and we might actually have to work for a living.”
#47 – He bought ‘tolerance offests’ for being a libtard, so that means he’s allowed to be as bigoted as he wants and not be a bigot. Though it is kind of amusing how he seems to think his bullying ‘Tio Tomas’ tactics will shame various Hispanics into graciously allowing them to be their lord and master.
I occasionally read from one web site where there’s what I suppose could be called sympathetic outrage from ‘privileged’ groups towards a particular minority. (For example, straight fangirls being upset for homosexual men over badly-written slash) It’s amusing to see them get slapped down by said minorities who tell them, ‘I don’t need you to be offended for me, kthx.’ What these minority members realise is that their ‘outrage’ isn’t really genuine; it’s a fashionable, faux ‘outrage’ intended to earn them brownie points with said minority. In other words, pandering.
But while some minorities will tell one of these political poseurs to their virtual face that they aren’t buying it, minorities from other cultures tend to say one thing to the liberal (usually a white male) attempting to pander to them, only to turn around to their cultural peers and complain (in their own language) about what an arsehole said panderer is, leaving the liberal to his unjustified warm fuzzies for being ‘tolerant’.
Not unlike a certain fable regarding an emperor and a new set of threads, come to think of it…
Baskie, sweetie, I’ve posted the polling data that shows that other than Tio Tomas, most Hispanics are offended by the racist nonsense that comes out of the Wingnut fringe. (And my opinion is that the Wingnuts are as bad for this country as the Moonbats.)
As far as McCain, polling data shows that 71% of Republicans have a favorable view of the man, as opposed to the shreiking Rush Limbaugh listeners who are against him because Rush says so. I guess when (not if) Rush changes his tune after the primaries, you will all suddenly love McCain.
I don’t really care about pandering at all. I don’t go through life hoping people like me. People who know me know I am opinionated, but once you get past that, I’m a pretty good guy. (Actually, most of my friends and relatives just avoid talking politics around me when we aren’t around an election.)
Personally, I think we need to secure the border and fix the immigration problem. I’m just bothered by the fact that so many people on this subject use words like “Dregs” and “Criminal” to describe people who just want an oppurtunity to better themselves, just like most of our ancestors did. It’s not very American and it’s not very Christian.
Say what you will about Joe, you have to admire the balls of someone who calls other people bigots while attacking Romney for being a Mormon and calls other people religious nuts while defending creationism.
56- Uh, exactly when did I attack anyone for creationism? Quite the contrary, I’ve gotten into long drawn out discussions with Darwinists and Atheists.
I truly love when people want to claim I made arguments I didn’t make. Probably because they can’t argue the one’s I’ve made.
Mormonism, yeah, that’s a cult, anyone even remotely familiar with its history would know that. People at the time knew it, just read Mark Twain’s descriptions of Utah in “Roughing It.”
Alan ABQ, there’s a case of Four Roses headed your way.
JoeB131: Contrary to what you seem to believe, every person that crosses our borders sans permission is a criminal. Violator of laws=criminal. See how it works? Yes, most of us violate several laws during a day’s work. How about differentiating between Federal crimes and petty theft? Again your analogy falls flat.
Your average citizen paperclip-thief is well-documented with a drivers license that he earned legally, he probably isn’t stealing someone’s SSN to get benefits (crime).
He probably isn’t defrauding welfare (crime), he probably isn’t smuggling drugs (crime), he probably isn’t occupying an ER bed because he voluntarily wants a new pair of glasses and someone told him that if he went and demanded it he would get it for FREE (not a crime, but a tragedy nonetheless).
He probably isn’t bringing dangerous diseases across the border such as pertussis and virulent new strains of TB (not a crime but should be).
Not to mention he probably isn’t marching in an illegal immigrants rights protest, demanding more goodies from this society out of one side of his mouth and calling everyone who disagrees racists or bigots out of the other (not illegal but just plain sick).
Need I go on? The point is: yes, citizens can do these things too. However, when a citizen makes a boo-boo there is a paper trail to follow, a way to trace his actions. The reason we tolerate the petty theft is because ultimately the paperclip-thief can be held accountable at any time. We know where he is, and he can’t avoid justice by simply going home. This is why we get so bent out of shape by illegal alien crime. By not being a legal citizen they have to commit crimes on a daily basis just to live in this country.
Or do you really believe that Social Security fraud is the same as paperclip theft?
Basilisk: Tolerance offsets…beautiful. Mind if I use that?
Joe, what I’m saying is exactly the opposite, which I think was perfectly clear from my post and I’m really at a loss as to how you could have misread it, except for wanting to dodge the whole thing.
You’re a creationist…yet you’re attacking others for being religious fanatics… For starters: pot, kettle, black. But, whatever the tenets of Mormonism, Romney has said he believes in evolution, which makes it hard for me to believe he’s past you on the scale of religious fanatic.
We all belong to a religion that holds that a guy rose from the dead among many other things and your feelings towards Mormons pretty obviously extends further than disputes over religious beliefs. You’re a bigot.
I may have found Joe.
http://docweasel.wordpress.com
If he’s one of the furries who posts there, that explains A LOT.
This is a furry, BTW
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=furry
#59- Then you should have structured the grammer so you could be clearly understood in what you mean. The word “yet” somewhere in the sentence would have been helpful.
My position on “creationism” is that I think the process of evolution is guided by a higher power. If you’re not an atheist, you believe that on some level. I also know that the world is billions of years old and it took millions for man to develop, but I think God guided the process.
Mormonism is obviously a fraud. The texts and artifacts that Joseph Smith supposedly translated the Book of Mormon from either don’t exist, were outright frauds (The Kettlewell Tablets) or are mis-translations (The “Book of Abraham”, a lesser known MOrmon text which was actually an Egyptian funerary scroll.) The difference between standard Christianity and Mormonism is that science and history prove Mormonism is a big fraud.
Now, admittably, the historical pedigree of Christianity cannot really be verified one way or the other, that is why it is called faith. One must assume the fact it has prevailed is God’s will.
If Gov. Huckabee can fairly be asked about his Young-Earth creationist beliefs, then Mitt Romney should be asked about the Angel Moroni, etc.
Yes, I have a bias against Mormons. In 1983, I went to an ROTC advanced camp with a bunch of BYU students, and found them to be the most smile in your face, stab you in the back people I’ve ever met in my life. That was before I got details on the truly goofy stuff they believe in. Romney hits me the same way. Smile in your face while your team is slapping together a nasty attack ad. not surprisingly, he is universally hated by the other GOP contenders, which is why Huck and Mac are teaming up on him.
#44
Dear JoeB131:
My problem with your comments stems from your world view and your, obviously, very broad use of the term bigot.
Example: “I’m right, therefore anyone who disagrees with me has to be a bigot (because the way I think is the way things are. Noam Chomsky told me so.”)
How does supporting the Rule of Law and border controls constitute bigotry? Mexico vigorously controls its southern border (are they bigoted against Guatemalans?)
Our desire to protect ourselves is within our rights as a sovereign nation.
Ponder these things:
1. The word dregs has no racial connotation (since every society has its share). Granted it is not a politically correct euphemism, but it is accurate and generic nonetheless.
2. I didn’t coin the word Aztlan. That is a chosen term of the radical Reconquista movement (which deserves to be ridiculed for its stated positions).
3. My prison comment was a sarcastic retort to all those who want to portray illegal aliens as a monolithic group of people “who only want a chance to better themselves.” America has absolutely no obligation to provide opportunities for illegal aliens (regardless of their country of origin).
4. Life isn’t fair, it has never been fair, and will never be fair. Socialism will not change that.
DKirk, using inflametory words like “Criminal” is exactly the problem. The problem is that the laws themselves don’t work.
Let’s take your example of the SSN. When Social Security was established, Americans were promised that it would not be a national ID card. But that is exactly what it turns out to be. You really can’t do anything worthwhile without one- Get a job, buy a house, get credit, etc. So you have something like 300 million SSN numbers floating out there, and absolutely no way of verifying them and securing them.
It’s a crime to steal your TV, but you don’t leave it out on the front porch for anyone to take, do you?
Yet if we’d solve the SSN problem by turning it into a true national ID, with a massive datebase with everyone’s picture and data, a lot of you folks on the fringe would be screaming bloody murder.
These people come here because the countries they come from are horribly poor. To treat them like criminals is like Javert persuing Valjean for that loaf of bread.
What McCain proposed was pretty reasonable. The “Criminals” as you say have to pay a fine, they have to let us know who they are and fully account for themselves, and they have to wait 13+ years to become citizens. That strikes me as pretty reasonable.
62# It must be horrible for you to live in a world where 76% of Republicans and 100% of Democrats are “socialists”. I don’t know how you go on…
I think I’ve met one Mexican in my whole life who subscribed to the Atzlan thing. He was fourth generation, thoroughly Americanized college student who couldn’t speak Spanish on a bet. yet you guys keep dragging out this boogeyman about the thousands of Atzlans who apparently want to return us to the 1836 borders.
Sorry, when you drag up Aztlan boogeymen and refer to people as “Dregs”, you are a bigot. Deal with it.
As far as your “Law and Order” stance, I’m sure you are just as outraged at Jeff Skilling or Scooter Libby, right? Somehow, I doubt it.
Mormons raped my sister, stole my lunch money, glued my locker shut, slashed my tires, and are the leading cause of global warming. So there.
#62 JoeB131
You don’t know me from Adam, but you proved my point anyway.
I tried to reason with you logically and you replied by changing the subject and using more personal anecdotes as proof of your position.
You may scoff at the Aztlan movement, but it does exist. Granted, like other moonbat ideas that make people feel good (because they think they’re “making a difference”) this one has little chance of success.
For the record, coming from you, the word bigot has no meaning.
Mexico vigorously controls its southern border (are they bigoted against Guatemalans?)
Jeff Skilling is a criminal. “White caller crime” is still crime. For you to compare the damage done to Enron employees, and its stockholders, to the detrimental effects of a 12-20 million strong illegal alien invasion is really a stretch however.
My position on “creationism” is that I think the process of evolution is guided by a higher power. If you’re not an atheist, you believe that on some level. I also know that the world is billions of years old and it took millions for man to develop, but I think God guided the process.
Joe, I don’t believe that–or, let me be more clear, I don’t believe you believe that.
Creationism has a specific meaning that you clearly understood when you discussed it before and that you’re trying to weasel out of right now.
It’s not that you believe evolution occurred under God’s hand–it’s that you believe the bit in the Bible.
You were angry earlier about evolution being taught without creationism being taught along with it–to say now that you just want a teacher to mention offhand “God directed it” doesn’t coalesce at all with your earlier argument.
And many bigots have had unpleasant encounters with the groups they are prejudiced against. You’re taking a group of you met one time in camp years ago and applying that to the entire group of millions of people and judging them strictly by the fact they belong to the same religion as those people. That’s a bigot.
66#- Rightjabs, you have a really funny view about logic.
I brought up the Jeff Skilling thing because I guess I see the selective outrage. (I noticed you completely ignored Scooter Libby). So let’s compare Jeff Skilling to Jose Valdez, a guy who snuck across the border and got a fake ID.
When I look to punishing a “crime”, I ask myself some of the following question.
Was anyone actually harmed by the crime. With Enron, yup, people had their life savings wiped out. An illegal is taking a job you don’t want, anyway. If you are smart enough to operate a computer, you don’t want that toilet cleaning job, anyway. So actual harm, Skilling is worse than Jose.
I also look at the level of malice in the commission of a crime. Skilling didn’t need to do the ripoffs he did. Enron could have made plenty of money honestly. Skilling was already obscenely wealthy. It’s not like people are going to stop using energy. It was all about Greed. Jose, on the other hand, is trying to feed his family. It isn’t about greed, it’s about survival. (Again, how far are you going to chase Valjean for that loaf of bread, Javert?)
Most illegal aliens aren’t members of Atzlan or La Raza. They are just people trying to make a living and get by in life. If anything drives them to radical groups, it’s probably angry bigots like yourself acting like they are stomping on your kitten for just trying to get by.
67#- Believe what you want. I can direct you to threads where I have argued the exact point. I think that there is a major difference between Young Earth Creationism and Intelligent Design, and I have always been in the ID camp. (Which is actually, pretty much what the Catholic Church accepts.) The story in Genesis I see as a metaphor.
My problem with the teaching of Darwinism is that it is taught in a way to attack religion. I had a conversation with a schoolteacher once where she complained that fundamentalist kids in her class were challenging her. To which I replied, “Well, you’re telling them their God doesn’t exist and their parents are stupid, I would hope they’d challenge you.”
It wasn’t an issue of an “unpleasent encounter’. Heck, that wasn’t even the worst thing that happened to me in 1983 (which was a really bad year for me.) It was the impression that I was left with, that these were people who could justify duplicitous behavior because they were good Mormons and they smiled in your face, and that made what they did okay, because hey, you were a “gentile” (what Mormons call the rest of us). And, really, I see Mitt Romney being the same way. The guy was either lying about what he truly beleives when he was in Mass, or he’s lying now. I don’t really care which.
#58 – I’ll admit I didn’t coin it, but use away. 😀
#66 – I’ll match your Aztlan and raise you some examples of what legal immigrants think of white liberal ‘guilt’. Some select comments from here:
…As far as the KKK goes, There are all kinds of races and creeds against the illigal immigration issue. This is not a KKK movement. I myself, I am hispanic and talk Spanish fluently. YOU DON’T SPEAK FOR ME! If you really knew what you are talking about, you would have found out that the people controlling the Pro Illegal Alien Movement come from groups such as M.E.Ch.A, La Raza, The Mexica Movement, MALDEF and LULAC. These groups believe in the concept of the reconquista in order to take the southwest and create their own nation called Atzlan and then anex it to Mexico. Those groups are the equivalent of the KKK with a tan. Actually, they are even worse than Hitler himself, since in their charter they have a declaration of ethnic cleansing and genocide, to remove all white, black and other ethnic groups that are not of La Raza. Only people with the proper “La Raza” credentials will be allowed in their dreamland. That means that you, unless you are of la raza, will be targeted for extermination. After all their motto is “Para la raza todo. Fuera de la raza nada”. In case yo don’t talk Spanish, the translation means, “For the race everything. Outside of the race nothing”. That my friend is RACIST! Hitler would be proud of them.
Or how about this?
Regarding the racist label…there is racism in every society it is part of human nature. Everybody thinks their own people are better than those who are different…So What
Are the Mexicans racists when they take illegal Central Americans and kick them out of Mexico?
I am Spanish and am against this amnesty. It is the people who continually bring up race who are the racists.
It’s interesting that people seem to understand when someone isn’t looking past their skin. Now, Joe would call these fine citizens ‘Tio Tomas’ for pointing out that he’s the real bigot here, (since he bought tolerance offsets, he can be as bigoted as he wants…but as the libtard who used the slur ‘faggot’ who was called out by PSUdain, shit still stinks even if you think of yourself as just ‘enlightened’ enough to be permitted to use bigoted terms) but it goes to show that he’s seeing all Hispanics as a single, unified group of people that all behave the same. Apparently, he’s never picked up a copy of Webster’s before. To wit:
Function: noun
Etymology: French, hypocrite, bigot
Date: 1660
: a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance
I especially like that ‘hypocrite’ part…’Do as I say, not as I do’ sounds awfully familiar. The dictionary definition hits every point of Joe’s little diatribes. Assuming that all immigrants come here from Mexico and enter the country illegally (not to mention invoking just about every logical fallacy in the book) as opposed to seeing illegal immigrants – no matter if they’re from Mexico, El Salvador, (here in D.C., illegals tend to be from there instead of Mexico. I’m more ‘prejudiced’ against them because their cooking sucks…just ask anyone from South America) Canada, or anywhere else — fits the bill.
The truly sad part is that Joe’s schoolyard bully tactics are becoming an increasing problem, so much of one that the word ‘bigot’ itself is becoming diluted with these ‘boy crying wolf’ scenarios. The end result is that, when there actually is a case of real and genuine bigotry, it’s dismissed much as the ‘boy who cried wolf’ was. If you can’t be part of the solution, at least don’t be part of the problem…but then, Joe couldn’t get his emotional drug hit from being ‘tolerant’ that way.
I hate the comment’s engine here. Grr.
Oh, and I found this comment from several years ago on one particular blog. (I’d saved it because Joe demonstrates this point beautifully)
…Leftist rhetoric has no relation to truth at all. It’s not SUPPOSED to. It exists for purely emotional purposes.
The Right is also guilty of this, of course, but Leftism has devolved to the point where it is, literally, anti-thought.
Consider the way that Leftists are forever hollering Racism!, Fascism! etc. about things which no honest analysis would judge to be so.
Should a Leftist call me a “Racist” because I’m opposed to race-based college admission, is this because he knows that I secretly (or not so secretly) hate Black people? Of course not. The Leftist couldn’t know that – esp in my case, since it just isn’t how I think and feel.
But he’ll say it anyway, because his emotional satisfaction and self-image require it.
So they say America is a “terrorist” state. Bush is a “cowboy.” You know the drill. The accuracy of these and other K-Tel Left-Wing Summer Classic Hits matters for nothing so long as the Leftist and his sympathetic listeners get their warm fuzzies from hearing it.
It’s like a drug hit.
So I think it’s not that Joe really believes that everyone who disagrees with his ‘enlightened’ politics is a bigot: he has no way of genuinely knowing, and illegal immigration policy cannot prove it, particularly when legal immigrants from all over the world are amnesty’s strongest opponents. No, it looks to be that he’s getting an emotional high from writing it. Which, I suppose, is why he keeps coming back. He needs us for his hit.
Basalisk, does your doctor know you are off your medication?
I’ve posted the polls. Most Latinos, Hispanics, Chicanos, or whatever term you like, feel that the bigotry coming out of the pie-holes of Lou Dobbs, the Minutemen, etc have made their lives worse.
http://pewhispanic.org/reports/report.php?ReportID=68
More than half (54%) of Latinos surveyed say they see an increase in discrimination as a result of the policy debate, and three-quarters (75%) say the debate will prompt many more Latinos to vote in November. Almost two-thirds (63%) think the pro-immigrant marches this year signal the beginning of a new and lasting social movement. And a majority (58%) now believes Hispanics are working together to achieve common goals — a marked increase from 2002, when 43% expressed confidence in Latino unity.
The survey shows that Latinos to some extent are holding the Republican Party responsible for what they perceive to be the negative consequences of the immigration debate, but the political impact of that perception is uncertain. Party affiliation among Latino registered voters has not changed significantly since the spring of 2004. However, the share of Latinos who believe the Republican Party has the best position on immigration has dropped from 25% to 16% in that time, with virtually the entire loss coming among foreign-born Hispanics (28% vs. 12%), who potentially represent an important and growing pool of future voters.
But, yeah, keeping drinking the anti-immigrant Kool-Aid. It’ll do wonders for us in November.
#68 JoeB131
Your posts are full of sophistry, and trying to muddy the water, in order to win the argument.
I purposely ignored Scooter Libby to see if you would accuse me of ignoring Scooter Libby. You did. Way to go.
Concerning my posts, if you’re going to continually ignore the things that I have already addressed, then there is no point in continuing this discussion. Likewise, if you’re going to react to everything I say with emotions, or the way that you wish things were, we’re both wasting our time.
You told Basilisk:
It’s actually anti-illegal immigrant Kool-Aid. That distinction seems to be purposely lost by you.
Your opinion about whether a crime is comparatively serious doesn’t change the reality of the way things are. Besides, to use your comparison, it is Jeff Skilling vs. 12-20 million “Jose Valdez’s” not just one.
Your comparison to Valjean (who at least was a French citizen) is a bigger stretch than the one you made about Skilling.
America has absolutely no obligation to provide opportunities for illegal aliens.
TIO THOMAS! TIO THOMAS! TIO THOMAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!
Actually, Valjean was a fictional character… but you avoid the point that you want to persecute entire families over crimes that aren’t really that serious, like the equally fictional Javert.
Undocumented workers are first and foremost human beings. (Oh, I’m sure that’ll send the wingnuts into a fury.) I don’t judge a man by the worst thing he’s ever done. I look at the entire life. If the worse thing he’s ever done was cross over a border and get a fake ID (the latter was also done by Jenna Bush and a few million college kids), but he obeys the other laws and works hard and takes care of his family, that should also be considered.
The distinction of “illegal” alien is irrelevent because the government and much of the country had no intention of obeying that law when it was passed. The Government hasn’t provided a national ID check or a secure border, local communities have declared themselves sanctuaries and businesses are knowingly hiring the undocumented. Why not punish all of them as well? Because they can vote and they’ll fight back.
You can’t pass an unworkable law and then be surprised when people ignore it. Read up on Prohibition some time and see how well that worked out.
#76
GAZE