There is a lot of controversy about the Marine who killed a wounded enemy, but why was the enemy only wounded in the first place? Sounds like shoddy workmanship from previous Marines in not making efficient full-fledged kills on first contact, and, to me, that’s the real scandal.
UPDATE: Judging from comments, I think this issue shows that the right-wing community has a large lack of compassion for wounded, murderous thugs. Maybe we should work on that.
Actually, that might take some time. Let’s just play videogames instead.
UPDATE 2: There is another shooting in the news. I hope – but don’t hold my breath – that the MSM will realize which shooting is more tragic and devote the airtime to the stories appropriately.
And, if they don’t, that’s what we bloggers are here for (well, not me, but the ones people take seriously).
First!!
First, naturally.
Oh, that hurts. Enjoy it while it lasts PCK…
Hee, hee. You’re a los_R S.O.R. just like your old man. Go away now or I’ll be forced to kil you just like your dear old dad…
At least I can spell foo…
What’s the controversy? The guy was either a terrorist or a ninja. The Marine shot him ASSURING he was dead.
Again, I ask, where’s the controversy?
All he did was complete the task they didn’t finish when they wounded him to begin with.
You know, it’s real easy to criticize the guy from your comfy news desk in NYC or DC. The guy who shot him had been shot in the arm himself the day before. He’d probably seen all sorts of nasty low-down tricks played by these terrorists, and reacted accordingly to protect his life and the lives of his comrades. The video clearly shows the “wounded” man breathing – for all the Marines knew, he was getting ready to detonate a grenade. I applaud the Marine for shooting him as he did, and am ashamed for the media who are jumping on his case.
Hey…didn’t John F’n Kerry run down an unarmed and wounded Vietnamese teenager in a loin cloth and snuff him? Didn’t he get a medal for that?
Maybe the Marine should say he’s a Democrat.
FormerHostage,
THAT is a brilliant idea. It will make the entire story go POOF into thin air… or as some red-staters might say, “Get up and disappear like a fart in the wind.”
By the way, does your name indicate you are divorced?
Editor,
no…if I were divorced my name would be “Free at last, free at last!”
I was one of the unlucky few that were guests of the Ironic…excuse me…Islamic Revolution back in ’79.
Frank, what do you mean “large lack of compassion”? If he was mortally wounded, would not finishing him off been compassionate?
And if he was a terrorists or a ninja and was just kinda wounded, playing dead waiting for the Marines to leave so he could make an escape only to die another day, wouldn’t shooting him then STILL be compassionate?
AND ever still, if he was a terrorists bent on destorying the West, forcing us to convert to Satanism islam and wasn’t even close to dying and the Marine shot him, isn’t that being compassionate towards us?
I think we can find a whole lotta compassion in this one little act.
Whoa! I almost don’t feel worthy of posting after you anymore. Damn! What a world.
Written any books, FH?
I don’t understand what the big fuss is about.Isn’t the object of war,to win? And doesn’t one win by killing as many of the enemy as they can? Isn’t that what that Marine did? So,he did his job,and now he’s facing possible charges for “murder”? This is what happens when “intellectuals” and Eurotrash make the rules.
Abu Ghraib,same thing.No crimes took place at all.Our soldiers were interacting with the prisoners,so they wouldn’t have to sit all alone in a cell.That’s compassionate,and good foreign relations,IMO.They had panties put on their head,and were forced to strip naked and make a pyramid;I did the same stuff in college,and we called it a party,not a “crime”.
FH,
Wow, I always thought your name was some sort of ironic statement. Wish I could say I remember more about that incident, but that happens to be the year I was born… so memories are hazy to made up at best.
While I don’t think keeping the nutso alive would do any good, shooting an unarmed and wounded enemy is a big no-no in the war crimes department. If I had my way, we’d only use the Geneva convention if the other side was using it.
When I saw that video, I cheered. OK, OK, so there are rules of war to follow, and we’re suppose to take the higher road, yadda yadda yadda… but didn’t it feel Gooooooooooooooood, just for a minute? To know that there was no f*cking chance that jihading piece of shit would be released to one day kill another innocent person in the name of Allah?
Frank was born in 1979????? Oh, g-d, I feel old….. That’s scary!
FH, a very belated, personal “welcome Home!”
I wouldn’t presume to judge the actions of our military from here in the comfort of my living room.
However, I can sum up my concerns about another dead terrorist in one word : meh.
Dead is dead, and with regards to terrorists, dead is good. If that Marine can live with himself, then where’s the problem?
I will say though, that the US military STILL hasn’t learned to “behave” when the cameras are rolling….
EffinNewGuy,
“Behaving” when the cameras are rolling could mean getting killed. I’m glad they can seem to disregard them in a heated situation.
Dead Terrorists good!
Marine Should Get Medal!
I say the marine missed his shot … he should have shot the cameraman. UGH, why are they wasting an iota of concentration toting those people around? What do you say we just let the media REALLY experience life outside of military protection? They could REALLY get to know those “minutemen” … explore their issues, etc.
FormerHostage, you came back to the States in my neck of the woods, landing at then Stewart AFB (now Stewart ANG) in Newburgh, NY, before taking what became known as “Freedom Road” to West Point, if I recall properly. You have my sincere sympathy and respect for what you went through.
I’ve blogged this event twice so far, and I’m amazed the MSM has behaved with the restraint it has to date.
Last night I was predicting an orgasmic feeding frenzy by those that made such a big deal of Abu Graib, but in the wake of Rathergate and the explosives that were/weren’t there behind EIEIO seals, perhaps they’ve decided discretion is the order of the day to retain the shred of credibility they still retain.
Yeah, sure shooting an unarmed,and wounded guy is bad, but cutting the head off of an innocent person is worse, so I really don’t care what happens to them. That marine could have kicked him in the nuts to death and I wouldn’t care. That and I don’t think a camera shoulda been there anyway.
Well, Frank has an excuse, but I remember it like it was yesterday FH. One of the reasons I started really getting frustrated with President Carter.
Glad you made it out sir.
Frank,
We take you seriously (snicker, snicker hee hee), honestly.
I’m assuming they’re going to eventually award this Marine with a metal…right?
i dont even see why the MSM is over there, kids straping bombs to themselves is ok, but shooting a wounded terrorist is bad. i think they are all terrorists, shoot em all if they get in your way. adn who was it that told on him? their job is to kill the enemy, thats what he did, so why is he in the wrong?
I question the timing…
Heh.
Hmmm rules of war, no uniform on terrorist, had been in conflict or he wouldn’t have been wounded. Either looter or spy. Shoot on sight. Not safe to leave him behind in fast moving situation. Nope the Marine shouldn’t have shot him. Unless he didn’t have a thermite grenade and some marshmellows handy.
My only complaint is that the Marine wasted a perfectly good 5.56mm round that could of been used to kill a non-wounder terrorist, instead of his reusable killin’ knife.
Ok ok ok..I fel forced to say something on this as well..which is
1.the man was a terrorist in civilain
clothing (i.e. NOT a soldier)
2.After hearing about YET ANOTHER F***
ing beheading, im not sure ANYONE in Fallujah deserves or merits mercy.
3.If there was EVER a time we could
say “temporary insanity” this would be it..shell shocked, tired, trigger happy
these soldiers have been through hell..
and it amazes me how well the Iraqis are being treated.
4.Lastly, the reason the MSM hasnt said much is because most of those imbeciles voted for a man who openly admitted to atrocities..THIS IS WAR..
ask the good folks we firebombed in Germany and Japan in WW2..we are capable of much worse, yet have shown restraint.
What I meant by “behaving” when the cameras are on was that they should be “aware” of the camera rolling, especially after Abu Ghirab, and not allow themselves to be caught doing anything untoward. Make no mistake, I am not saying the Marine did anything wrong, BUT, it dint look or sound like they were in the heat of battle or anything (at that moment). Perhaps a bit of “discretion” might have been wise……
As an aside, I see now on Drudge that members of the Muslim community are “upset” at the video. One wonders if they were equally “upset” at the reports of Margaret Hassan being brutally murdered, or of the other savage slaughterings of innocents? Somehow, methinks not……
–“Behaving” when the cameras are around… thinking about cameras… all of that takes one’s mind away from the business of staying alive and keeping one’s friends alive.
–Camera should not have been there- or film should be “approved” by military before being released- as was done in previous successful wars.
–Let’s all do a role-playing exercise now, okay?
–You’re a young (probably 19 or 20 year-old) Marine… you’ve just gone through several straight days of high intensity combat… you were yourself shot the previous day… a member of your unit was killed by a booby-trapped terrorist… you’re running on virtually no sleep… people are shooting at you non-stop…
Got all that?? Okay… now…
–THERE’S A BAD GUY RIGHT THERE- MAKE A DECISION NOW!!!
–Okay… game over. Now we can all go back to eating our junk food and watching Friends and drinking beer.
–We are safe and sound because of that nineteen year-old who is being asked to make split second, life and death decisions… all the while surrounded by murderous terrorists whose fondest dream is to kill him and all of his friends.
–Those who would condemn this Marine are not fit to kiss his filthy combat boots.
–Semper Fi, Jarhead… you did good.
I made a picture so that some idiots out there can perhaps start to understand.
Shooting Fish in a Mosque.
There is an easy solution to a controversy like this:
Kill them all. That works, right?
Except killing them all makes US terrorists..and we are better people than that..we dont TRY to kill women, children or the aged..but then, we dont have Allahs permission or some such rot.
We gave plenty of warning. Flyers, etc. Anyone not on their knees with their fingers locked behind their heads is a target. Period.
F.H. Thank you. God bless.
F.H.
Now that I think of it the first vote I cast was an absentee ballot from NC to NJ for Reagan. I was a freshman and thinking of you now makes me happy I did.
God Bless You, FH! Your presence here honors us. Your humorous and insightful posts expressed here bless us. And damn it, at this point Frank owes the as yet unseen and mythical happy dance in your honor, if for no other reason. So bring it on Frank!! Dance for the MAN!!!
Clearly, the lesson to be learned is shoot the NBC (or whoever else) TV crew first.
How irresponsible of the TV crew to break the story, knowing full well it will cause a shitstorm amongst the moonbats. Shooting prisoners has been a sad fact of war forever, and it ain’t going to stop, so why make a big thing about it? Besides, some people just need killin’.
Tom
The way this Marine has been tried and convicted in the media based on little factual information is pathetic, especially considering all the voices yelling innocent til proven guilty concerning that wife murdering baby killer Scott Peterson.
~JJ
all the video i’ve seen cuts off at the end. limbaugh played the audio right thru the shot. there is a real sense of urgency in his voice when he says ‘he’s faking being dead.’ booby trap is the only assumption in his mind as far as i can tell. he thought he was doing his job, cameras rolling or not.
semper fi.
Semper Fi
The Marine did what he should have done, but watch the SMSM turn this into an “atrocity”. I’ve heard a lot of “excuses” on talk radio… the Marine was wounded the day before, the terrorists are using booby traps, etc. etc.
This Marine needs no excuse for his action. He did his duty, no more to say.
Only problem I saw is that the Marine’s voice is plainly on the tape. I don’t think his mom or wife needs that.
BTW, my 80 year old Marine father FINALLY GOT PO’ED AT CBS over its coverage of this non story. I told him it was 30 years too late to be pissed at those f’rs but I welcomed him from the dark side.
Screw the MSM and their pundits, It not their kids that over there fighting and being shot at. This Marine will be taken aside and told by every Red state father and family.” You did the right thing boy, better to have you back alive than some crazy asshole.”
Plus he help him get his 72 virgins so what the promblem.
The guy was NOT a surrendered, wounded POW. Not at all. He was an enemy combatant still in the process of covert operations. This is evidenced by the fact that he was pretending to be dead. Pretending to be dead is NOT a good way to make sure that our medics treat you. Pretending to be dead is a good way to get Marines near you to kill them. And, bodies and wounded had already been booby-trapped. It was a known strategy. So, I am sure it would be fine with the main stream media and retarded liberals if the footage had shown a marine medic go over to attempt to attend to the man’s wounds and get blown up.
Notice that all the other wounded POWs in the room did NOT get shot by Marines…only the one. Why? Because the others were behaving properly and this one was being deceitful. I do not blame the marines for not bothering to find out what his game was. Just protect the lives of marines.
This situation was brought about by the enemy who started booby-trapping the dead and wounded. It created a scenario where a wounded man is a threat. Screw ’em.
What scares me is if the marines do not stand behind there guy and sacrifice him to the Politically correct alter. That would be a real dissappointment. They need to come out and say they investigated and the shoot was clean, and never address it again.
Thanks for all the comments people, I appreciate it. I would have commented earlier but my supervisor was with my cube-mate all day long (BTW – does anyone have a screen-shot of the Page3 girl from yesterday?)
RE: Jimmmayh – you all have NO idea how much I wanted to get on some news program when the peanut brain was going on about the foreign affairs “failures” of the Bush administration. To paraphrase – “Those that can’t, kvetch!”
RE: Frank’s youth – well, this explains the facination with Arafat’s baby wipes. (I have skivvies with more “time-in-grade” than Frank!)
“Notice that all the other wounded POWs in the room did NOT get shot by Marines…only the one. Why? Because the others were behaving properly and this one was being deceitful. ”
Chris-
A good point the MSM seems to have missed.
Hey people … let’s not just tell each other that we do NOT share NBCs fake “outrage” over the great job our brave Marines are doing … let’s tell the Marines themselves the American PEOPLE are behind them regardless of what the American MEDIA are saying. You can leave a comment of support at the DoD website. And if the blogosphere has any way we can let the Marines know WE HEART YOU, MARINES! GO! GO! GO! Then please spread the word!
Also, there is an online petition of support for this Marine, which will be given to Congress, that you can sign:
Support Our Marines
Thanks Mamma, I went and signed!
Would the MSM implode if some General came out and said “We’re not going to prosecute this Marine, and in fact, we’re going to give him a medal!”?
If the terrorist was just wounded, he couldn’t have been hit by a Marine.
It was probably a self inflicted wound,
and the Marine just put him out of his misery
I taped the 20 second footage from PBS news, watched it a couple of times and something seems wrong…
The man filming this conveniently goes directly to just the right wounded- insurgent-head-cutter who will be shot in a few seconds and keeps filming him -only- and not the other wounded head-cutters , not filming the soldiers , not filming the damage or more precisely ;lack thereof to their building …
Why did he walk up to that insurgent-head-cutter and not another ?
Did he know something we don’t ?…
We all know Michael Moore will use this in his next anti-american movie;
Could Michael Moore be behind this ?
FH: belated Welcome Home! For you youngsters who weren’t born yet: in a huge coincidence perhaps relevant to understanding the dynamics of our current situation in Iraq, the Iranians just HAPPENED to decide to return the hostages JUST before Reagan was inaugurated. Funny how that works.
FH: As one old guy to ‘nuther, welcome home! Remember your situation very vividly. As one of the few old geezers who have military experience and who comment here, (Fandamntastic site BTW FrankJ) take heart people, what that young Marine did was right out of the same book I learn’t from (my Dad and my Granddad learn’t from too) and he did it by the numbers. What we are seeing is a bunch of hyperventilating MSM numbnuts who don’t have a clue nor a brain. Let not your hearts be troubled, this Marine will be found to have acted accordingly.
This bleeding-heart liberal who voted for not-Bush has already written to Senators and Congressmen to tell them that the Marine acted exactly as he should!
Um, before y’all get too excited about the “traitors” in the MSM, I suggest you go to Kevin Sites’ website, to see his side. Mr. Sites is the fellow who taped the incident.
You also might want to hear what Greyhawk has to say about this incident, and Mr. Sites.