John Hawkins, a huge McCain critic, explains in his latest column why if McCain is the nominee we’re going to vote for him and like it.
Also, here is McCain on Jay Leno. There’s probably some stuff in there you won’t like, but he does get a big cheer proclaiming we’re winning in Iraq, and we really seems to enjoy it.
Romney still has a chance to win, but I’m not of the opinion that it will be the end of the Republicans if he doesn’t.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/quotes/mccain.asp
It hurts me to say it but I guess I would have to vote him over Hillary. I just mailed my absentee ballot. But i doubt it’ll keep the biggest RINO from getting the nomination.
Oh, I’ll give him tepid support and vote for him as a vote against the democrats and for the war on terror.
But that’s as far as I’ll go. And if he picks Mike Huckabee as his running mate, then I’m joining Ann Coulter and voting against him.
McCain = dead terrorists
’nuff said.
I think either McCain or Hillary will be great for the USA! Both know that global warming is a serious threat. McCain knows that torture is wrong. They don’t want to kick all the illegal immigrants in the ass and separate mommas from their babies like the right wingers seem to want to do. Hooray for the next president! YES ’08!
RedState will not allow any horrible racist jokes like “Juan McCain” – all conservative blogs are going to have follow RedState’s lead or look like racist blogs.
It looks like RedState’s smart policy is not being enforced here. That is not good. It is mean to make names like that. Everyone agrees that it is wrong and it is racism.
Per RedState (a terrific blog):
“What is not fine, okay, or within the bounds of the rules, is to use Latino names as an insult. We are speaking, specifically, of “Jorge Arbusto” and “Juan McCain,” although it’s certainly possible that others are floating out there or may yet be invented. Allow me to clue anyone who thinks these names are funny or clever in to something: racism isn’t clever or funny. If you think you’ve really zinged someone by calling them by a Latino name, that’s a pretty reliable (nearly infallible, in fact) indicator that you don’t like Latino people.”
Wow, you said it, Joe. That’s it! ‘Nuff said. Guess we won’t be hearing any more about this from you! Wow, you summed it up. That’s amazing. Super. I’m workin’ on it, really. Just intellectually brilliant. Trying to fathom it. Fantastic. Unbelievably deep. Scratchin’ my head on this. I guess it comes down to it! You hit the nail on the head. Needs no explanation.
Say nothing more! I get it.
McCain = dead terrorists
Unless they’re coming into the country illegally, then he’ll give them your tax dollars before they blow you up.
I can’t believe i didn’t put my name in my first comment (#1). I don’t want to sepparate mommies from babies. The babies can go home too.
Don’t vote for Juan Mcamnesty! Thats not racist. HTF is that racist?
That’s probably the best support of McCain I’ve seen. Certainly better than Joe’s, which wouldn’t so much convince me to vote for McCain so much as write in Fred’s name if for no other reason than a wake-up call to the RNC.
Besides which, abortion is somewhat more important than Iraq. Not going to sacrifice millions of children just to kill a few terrorists. (Which is my primary concern regarding SC judges. McCain supported embryonic stem cell research, after all)
Uh, Wallace? Mexicans aren’t a separate race. They’re a nationality.
GOOOOOOOOOOO Ann
Uh, Wallace? Mexicans aren’t a separate race. They’re a nationality.
It is using a Latino name to belittle a person. Using it means you must think Latino people suck. Therefore, it is racism. RedState’s article explains it very well. No doubt the company that owns this blog Pajamas Medium or whatever doesn’t want their brand associated with racist comments. CNN’s Glenn Beck used it and he will hopefully be fired.
Wallace– get a sense of humor. It’s about the illegal immigration, not the race. I’m sick to death of ninny nannies everywhere clucking about verbal nastiness (intended or unintended). Thank heaven for IMAO, where humor, sarcasm, and snark flow freely!!
I’m not signing on to the Juan McAmnesty bandwagon just yet. Maybe Hyukabee (say, where are the ninny nannies on hurtful language against hillbillies and rednecks?) will come to his senses and withdraw NOW and pitch his support to Mitt…..
I like Latinos. I just want to know the person changing my sheets is here legally. Ok, that was racist.
But, seriously, I need some way to show my dislike for the man. Calling him McAmnesty all the time is just screaming for a horrible spelling mistake.
“Juan McCain, El Presidente, United Sates of Amexica”
How do we make our move on Canada? And who would be the UBER president of North Ameximericanada?
#15 – Posted by: Jimmy on February 1, 2008 02:15 PM
How do we teach ignorant americans to pronounce North Ameximericanada? That ois the question
Oh and by the way Handy Comparison Chart
Take it with you to the polls. Maybe we’ll elect someone who actually says what we want to hear and does what they say they will. It would be a nice change from “politics as usual”.
Chuckles, we have Frank and Harvey for that!
I don’t like people who want to do cruel things to people who are here illegally. It would be impossible to round them up anyway. There is nothing wrong with John McCain’s position. It does seem like a lot of the people who have the strictest policies on illegal immigrants are people that really hate Mexicans. If John McCain wins that will be great because there will be amnesty and then all these haters will have to shut up. Nancy Reagan loves John McCain.
Last I checked Nancy Reagan wasn’t my mommy.
I don’t think we should round them all up either, because that would be expensive. Deny them health care, job, foodstamps, a place to live, and education for their babies and they will go home. Mexico who can afford their burden less than us, can then deal with them.
We are at war, like or not, and our sovereignty as a nation is being compromised. Anyone who sees it otherwise doesn’t have the stomach to deal with reality the way it is.
Maybe IMAO needs Illegalzlolz
I am your mommy, b%&*h! I’m the mommy of all republicans that don’t think for themselves!
Who’s your mommy!?
Nate – You are either ignorant, or a liar.
You can indeed round up large groups of people and move them out of the country.
It’s already been done.
19, Nate: I don’t want to do anything cruel to anybody (except hippies and scary monkeys) but I do want to 1. stop illegal immigration at the border and 2. send those who are here illegally back from whence they came. It can be done, chiefly by putting the onus on the employers. BTW, not all illegal immigrants are Mexicans.
Also, Nancy Reagan is quite old and probably loves everybody except kids on her lawn. I don’t know much about her politics, only that she was married to a fine conservative man. She seems sweet, but her opinion doesn’t carry much weight with me.
(Looks at troll-bait… Takes a taste… Gulp!)
Hey Nate #19 –
The cruelty is in pepetuating this crisis. Mexico has a wealth of natural resources and a willing labor force. The only thing that holds them down is the corruption of their government (at all levels). There is just enough American money flowing south to keep their unrest from boiling over. You are way too willing to support this ongoing “serfdom” of our southern neighbors. The reality is that you, sir, and the McCains of this world are analogous to an addict’s “enablers.” If you really care so much, then it is time to stop providing the enabler’s cover for the problem, and begin an intervention, unpleasant as that may be.
Bravo for Granny Boo in post 23; like Ann Coulter said last night on H&C, “we love Nancy Reagan because she loved Ronald Reagan, not because of her particular political stances.”
It won’t be the end of the party if McCain wins. Neither will it be the end of the country if one of the Dems win. But it won’t be good, in either case.
The only good thing about McCain is that if he’s nominated he’ll probably lose, because if you’re going to vote for a liberal, then why not just go balls-out and vote for a REAL liberal.
If we elect a half-assed Republican, we’ll get another Bush 41. He’ll be a lackluster 1-term president, and be responsible for a strong 2-term Democrat next time ’round. I think it would be far better to get either Hillary or Obama in there…doesn’t really matter which one – because neither one of them will survive a re-election opening the way for a REAL conservative candidate next time. Do you honestly see McCain as a 2-term president? ‘Cause if we elect him, we’re going to have to vote for him AGAIN in 4 years, or elect a Democrat. I can’t believe that the RNC isn’t looking at the luke-warm response of its base to the current crop of candidates and thinking “hmmmm…maybe we need to rethink this”.
I hate to say it, but maybe what this country needs is another smoking hole in the ground, a failing economy, and stupid high taxes on the segment of the population that actually PRODUCE wealth before it will elect a real conservative, and there’s no quicker way to achieve all three than to elect a liberal.
Liberals say it is my civic duty to vote – I say it is the civic duty of the candidate to EARN my vote and thus far Mr. Fred Hippie-Punching Thompson was the only one that actually DID. I’ll still vote – but it will be for ballot measures, local government etc. If a candidate doesn’t earn my vote he won’t get it.
It’s only people on a few blogs that are unhappy. Most of the Internet is buzzing with joy that we are going to get either McCain, Clinton or Obama. These are happy times. What could be better?
President McCain (or Clinton or Obama) and a Democrat Congress. Visualize that.
I say we combine the parties into a new, “United Socialists Party” and go to a one party system.
Better yet, we could rename our country to:
Union of North American Socialist Republics (UNASR)
Remember:
Anytime you say the slightest unflattering remark about anyone who is not white or a US citizen, then you’re a horrible, horrible Nazi racist & should either follow someone else’s example of watching your mouth when using “Latino” names (which are white European in origin), or go publicly apologize in front of Jackson, Sharpton & the media for being so insensitively white.
Race-baiting is something only honkey-ass juedos do, and it is not generally possible for a “minority” to be racist. At the very least, reverse racism is actually a positive outlet for those who are being oppressed by whitey which, as we all know, is just about everyone.
Even though everybody has a “hang-up” about another race, religion, or lifestyle, at one time or another, you crackas may not vocalize it in any way, at any time. If someone has a hang-up about you, well… obviously, you deserve it.
Now, that having been said, go exercise you freedom of speech… carefully.
Liberals say it is my civic duty to vote – I say it is the civic duty of the candidate to EARN my vote and thus far Mr. Fred Hippie-Punching Thompson was the only one that actually DID. I’ll still vote – but it will be for ballot measures, local government etc. If a candidate doesn’t earn my vote he won’t get it.
Wow. How did that lazy right-wing lobbyist earn your vote? You must one gullible fool.
Good Lord!
Juan McCain is not racist. It is a simple way to exemplify the point that Johann McAnus is weak on border security.
Look, I love watching the Latino lovelies on Telemundo/Univision as much as the next guy, but their uglier counterparts and relatives are in fact lowering the wages of Americans through a watered down form of slave labor and increasing our social costs.
Good looking 5’7″ Hispanic chicks can be found in Puerto Rico, or Miami, which is perfectly legal.
And don’t forget, Fred Thompson endorsed McCain before.
http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stories/1999/08/18/president.2000/thompson.mccain/
And don’t forget, Fred Thompson endorsed McCain before.
http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stories/1999/08/18/president.2000/thompson.mccain/
Wowie Wow Wow!!! That proves that Fred Thompson was probably lying on most of the issues he campaigned on. He probably secretly wanted to help the illegals learn English and become citizens too. Guess he isn’t right-wing after all otherwise he would never endorse McCain. Go Go Progressive Values!! Both parties are becoming moderates! I’m so happy!!
And don’t forget, Fred Thompson endorsed McCain before.
by that same logic…if you see a hot chick and think she’s really great and you want to have sex with her, but she says “actually, I’m not interested, but you should have sex with my fat ugly friend instead” you would?
#33 – Posted by: Joe on February 1, 2008 03:12 PM
Ah, Comrade JoeB131. I see you have changed your name to stop these disgusting attacks on your character. Never fear, Comrade! The Revolution shall begin soon enough!
Progessives! Progressives! Taken over the world!
Progessives! Progressives! Ruiling the USA!
Our future is so progressive.
Our future is so fun.
We will join North American together and then we will have more fun!
All the right wingers are going to get screwed over.
No one will care what they say!
NO one ever really did anyway!
This is such a fun election.
This is such a happy time.
Let’s all have a giant party and sing a bunch of songs!
All the liberals that I know are in a state of joy!
We are going to party every night!
To celebrate the progressive USA!
Back in 1968, George Corely Wallace (Governor of Alabama), independent candidate for President said:
“There ain’t a dime’s worth of difference between the national Republicans and the national Democrats.”
And here we are in 2008 and the battle IS for the heart and sole of the Republican Party.
Damn, Fred Thompson. If you back McCain, you never deserved our support in the first place.
People, VOTE FOR MITT ROMNEY next week !!
#35-
Depends: what is she willing to do?
30- Alan, buddy, don’t try to hide your bigotry behind “everyone does it.”
36- Sorry, bud, that’s not me. That’s some other guy named Joe.
11 & 17 – Uh, Sean, you are touting a woman who mocked a man’s dead child, said she hoped terrorists would blow up the NYT building. Ann Coulter is like a five year old who says bad words to get attention. I think as a movement, we can do better in expressing ourselves.
“RedState will not allow any horrible racist jokes like “Juan McCain” – all conservative blogs are going to have follow RedState’s lead or look like racist blogs.”
I guess nobody told John McCain about Redstate’s policies…
#40 “Joe131”
Um… OK…? How did you read “everyone does it” into that, “Joe”?
a woman who mocked a man’s dead child, said she hoped terrorists would blow up the NYT building.
Would you cite a reference to that, please? Or at least the first part. As for the NYT building, well I don’t think that’s ever going to be a real issue:
A) Terrorists would never do that; They’d never betray their biggest propaganda & support base.
B) If someone does decide to finally blow it up, it should be done by the military.
Maybe I’m just being bigoted against “Journalist-Americans”… lol!
McCain hired racist supremecist Juan Hernandez, a former employee of Vincente Fox in the Mexican government to work on his campaign staff. Hernandez doesn’t even recognize that there is a border and has stated that illegals should be able to cross the border at will. He has also stated tha he doesn’t care about how many generations any one of Mexican heritage has been a citizen of the US they should think of Mexico first.
I will never vote for McCain and anyone who rationalizes it is unAmerican.
“Even though everybody has a “hang-up” about another race, religion, or lifestyle, at one time or another, you crackas may not vocalize it in any way, at any time. If someone has a hang-up about you, well… obviously, you deserve it.”
-AlanABQ
Ann Coulter wrote a column where she accused John Edwards of having an “Ask me about my dead child” bumpersticker.
http://abcnews.go.com/WN/story?id=3323952
“Coulter has accused the former Democratic senator of exploiting the 1996 death of his son Wade for political gains, and was widely condemned after she used an anti-gay slur to mock him in March.”
Actually, her comment was that she hoped Tim McVeigh would blow up the NYT. Wasn’t he a buddy of yours?
I have to say this: The threat from terrorists exists only because we first (beginning in 1918) went over to the middle east to impose our will on them. We have been over there almost consistently since 1918. We have overthrown Iran once, Iraq twice, and supported the oppressive, woman hating government of Saudi Arabia. The people in the Middle East feel exactly the same way about us as we would feel if the USSR had succeeded in forcing it’s way of life on us, and bombing those who resist. This is not opinion – every credible source concurs with this view, from the 9/11 commission to the head of the CIAs Bin Laden unit – even Al Qaeda itself confirmed that 9/11 was an act of retaliation and homeland defense.
There is no credible source that disagrees with this position. I happen to be a military intelligence officer that has served in the combat zone.
The Spanish took the approach we are using against their terrorists – pirates. They ended up losing their empire over it. Look what happened to the Romans when they went after the Barbarians.
We have to consider that the McCain foreign policy is gong to recruit terrorists faster than we can kill them, as has the GWB foreign policy.
I’m JoeB131! I’m blind to La Raza (The Race) and other racist hispanic groups that call for an Aztlan! Viva Mexico!
(Sigh…)
Guess it’s about time to re-stock the toilet paper in the ‘ol Y2K bunker.
Okay, guys, I am wondering about anyone who supports Mitt Romney because McCain is too liberal…
He’s the guy who made up stories about back-ally abortions to support his pro-life positions.
He raised taxes in Massachusetts by 800 million dollars.
He intentionally distanced himself from Reagan and Bush in 1994.
He promised to be better on gay rights than Ted Kennedy.
He signed a law that mandated everyone in his state get health insurance.
http://www.americanthinker.com/2007/01/mitt_romney_a_massachusetts_li.html
Voting for Romney because you don’t like McCain is like amputating your hand to treat a hangnail.
#46- Alan, you’re not fooling anyone. Don’t you have a Klan rally to get to?
FRANK J!
May I, your humble reader, make a humble suggestion? How about we wait on this whole “living with McCain” thing. Let’s wait until Super Tuesday. I think you should point your creative juices at something that doesn’t make me want to riot and install Fred as dictator-for-life.
A new In My World!
YARR! Pirates of the Potomac: The legend of John McCain! (I would but I’m too feeble and am blogless)
http://www.getreligion.org/wp-content/photos/McCainPirate.jpg
Wow, Alan, I just visited your Myspace blog… you are a sad little man.
And you, sir, JoeB131, are a dipshit.
Wasn’t he a buddy of yours?
Wow! You got me! How’d you know? Was a mathematical algorithm, or are you just that clairvoyant?
Perhaps if you read why she said those tewwible things that seemed to hurt your feewings as well; do you suppose that she was exposing the fact that Edwards was using “his son’s” death as a political pity party? (pardon the alliteration)
I’m surprised… sort of… that you took offense “after she used an anti-gay slur to mock him in March.”, and yet, you haven’t been very vocal about our scurrilous mocking of the failed yet again Presidential hopeful on the John Edwards Fabulous Facts.
I know, I know; pick only the battles you think you can win. Too bad. I guess you’ll be writing in your diary (hee hee!) that you really do come off as a hypocrite when you’re angry.
Alan, you’re not fooling anyone. Don’t you have a Klan rally to get to?
No, not ’til after church on Sunday. But thanks for reminding me!
Wow, Alan, I just visited your Myspace blog…
Oh, so you’re the one… LOL!
you are a sad little man.
And now you’re a psychologist to boot! You’re a man of many hats, “Joe”. I guess that’s necessary to go with the many faces… 😉
I know people don’t like McCain’s stance on waterboarding, but I’m hoping he shares my stance on it.
Deny it publicly. Outlaw it. Make it illegal.
Then f%&*ing waterboard the terrorists anyways!!
Pardon anyone accused of it.
It’s called having your cake, and eating it too.
And here we are in 2008 and the battle IS for the heart and sole of the Republican Party.
People, VOTE FOR MITT ROMNEY next week !!
You know Romney is a moderate right? What hard conservative wins a race in Massachusetts?
So in this battle of moderates, choose McCain. That way there’s more dead terrorists.
I don’t like McCain either.
But electing this cranky, crazy old guy WOULD scare the hell out of Iran, China, North Korea…
JR, #45:
Let’s see, we’re not supposed to fight their oppressive governments, we’re not supposed to be friendly with them, and when we try and use non-military sanctions against them (e.g. Iraq before the war), then liberals start complaining that it’s just hurting the civilian population. Other than just blaming America for everything, do you have any constructive ideas?
I thought not.
On the other hand, according to K-Lo and Jim Geraghty over at NRO.com, you can’t be a good Christian unless you vote for the Mormon. (look under the Corner and/or Campaign Spot for the phrase “Pray for Us”).
#29:
Better yet, we could rename our country to:
Union of North American Socialist Republics (UNASR)
How about:
Union of North American Socialist Home Lands
(UNASHL)
That way we could call El Presidente Juan McCain The UNASHL POTUS.
(One A$$h@le POTUS)
Thompson’s and McCain’s philosophies DO NOT MIX. If Thompson endorses McCain, about 50% of the “party” is betrayed. Gone. And if that happens, the party itself will become “Republican In Name Only.” The RINO Party. And I submit, if THAT happens, it won’t be worth the powder to blow it off the planet.
JR, thanks for your service, but this argument is pretty lame.
Did the Muslim hordes ravage North Africa and Iberia 600 years ago because of our presence in the ME? Are the Muslim terrorist actions in the Phillipines due to our presence in the ME? Are the Muslim terrorist actions in SE Asia (Thailand, Burma, etc.) due to our presence in the ME?
Hmmmm????
Hillbilly –
or Union of North American Socialist States (UNASS)
mccain supporters are inherently incapable of understanding the First Amendment, or they wouldn’t be mcain supporters.
Until Frank institutes censorship, I’ll call mccain any hispanic (or latino, or whatever name that poor dispossed minority chooses to call itself at the moment) name I want. That’s not racist, it’s political.
Join up now: People Offended by Offended People!
Nate must be very young, because he sounds like my 13-year-old son, so I’m not going to say anything mean to him. However, there’s no way in hell I’m voting for McPain (except if Fred is VP). I will vote for Romney on Tuesday and write in Fred in November. If McPain loses to Hillary or Obama, and we have a Dem President and a Dem Congress, there will certainly be another Republican revolution in 2010. I can’t wait!
I am still not reading the unsigned posts, btw. No respect for chickens.
@#65, 66:
Do you have respect for people who use their real names?
“Learning to Live with McCain”
Sounds too much like Learning to Live with Chlamydia, if you ask me. I’d prefer not to live with either.
Dude, that’s a depressing title.
Learning. To. Live. With. McCain?
#67 – Real or nicknames, but some name that a person sticks with, so that others know what he or she posted before, and there is continuity and consistency. Maybe, it is just the CPA in me talking. 🙂
The only thing I don’t like about latinos is the fact that they wear black socks with tennis shoes. Also, I don’t like that they keep stealing my #$%@.
“Learning to live with McCain”
The other day it was:
“…if I make us some Kool-Aid, will you guys drink it?”
What the heck has Idaho done to you, Frank?
Thompson’s and McCain’s philosophies DO NOT MIX. If Thompson endorses McCain, about 50% of the “party” is betrayed. Gone. And if that happens, the party itself will become “Republican In Name Only.” The RINO Party. And I submit, if THAT happens, it won’t be worth the powder to blow it off the planet.
Thompson already endorsed McCain once several years ago. By doing so Thompson was implying that he loves the Maverick’s liberal ways. Fred Thompson just had all of you fooled. He is no “true conservative” – hence all the lobbying and helping planned parenthood and so on. And even if he was a true conservative the voters made it very clear that they do not want those ideas to represent the party any longer.
I love the new liberal GOP. Why can’t you all just vote for McCain and let the party transform like it needs to in order to win?
#73 – Because it would be wrong, sweetie. You should probably go back to your teenage blogs and let grown-ups discuss their views here.
Sweet. It’s going to be liberal vs. liberal. Liberal for the win! We may go eight years before you even have a chance to put up a right wing candidate again!!! AWESOME!
Polls show Romney (billed as another right winger) is going to get absolutely creamed on Super Tuesday. YOU KNOW WHY? BECAUSE MOST PEOPLE THINK ALL OF YOUR LAME RIGHT WING IDEAS SUCK!!! THAT’S WHY!
SUK ON IT RIGHT WING LOSERS! Enjoy your nominee – John McCain!
“Learning to live with McChlamydia” ?
FredHater,
Based on your amazing command of the nuanced art of rhetoric and persuasion, I am convinved.
I will now join in your slouching parade of mindless Socialists!
Not only am I “convinved”…I am convinced as well.
I have a feeling McWert McCain has been play acting to reach this point in his life, and when he gets the nod the gloves come off, and there will be hell to pay for some people.
The reason I like him is he will bomb Iran if he thinks it’s the right thing to do. And it is.
These people strap bombs on women with Down Syndrome and set them off by remote control. And they claim to represent Islam.
And they want to murder everyone they think insults Islam. They insult the human race.
New Fox News poll has McCain up 24% over Mitt Romney (a loser) going into Super Tuesday.
John McCain ’08
The Right Man to Lead Us
Nate, Fredhater:
With all due respect (very little), current happenings do not represent a metamorphosis of the GOP. It’s just the damn pendulum. In this country, it swings one way, and inevitably it swings back the other way. Right now, due to some failed policies of the current administration, the media’s unabashed assault on everything conservative, and the total disregard of the the “rules of war (politics)”, on the part of the left, i.e. attacking the administration, and Republicans in general on any topic, with no regard for the repercussions at home or abroad, the pendulum has swung to the left. They have beat the general public over the head with their philosophies for so long that their talking-points have become household words.
But eventually something is going to happen that will open everyone’s eyes, and the pendulum will swing to the right again. I just pray it doesn’t take another smoking hole in the ground. I wish I knew why so many in the population have such a tenuous moral base that it constantly shifts, but I don’t, and they do.
I know I’m not converting any of you lefties, but I got it off my chest, and now, you can all go to hell.
“I wish I knew why so many in the population have such a tenuous moral base that it constantly shifts, but I don’t, and they do.”
Juggernaut,
As I’m certain you know, Lefties have no moral base. Their “ethicality”, such as it is, is as resolute as sand in a windstorm.
(Unless you’re talking about the dilletation and curettage of the unborn; special rights for those with “alternate means of expressing affections”; or the general usage of the constitution for nothing more than toiletpaper.)
Situational ethicality is the Lefty paradigm and “absolutes” are for the retrograde who are percieved as having myopic perspectives.
But, as previously posted, I am now slouching with FredHater, and having sipped the giggle punch, I now see things in a much more “sparkly” way…Hillary is the candidate of absolute inevitability, there are no rules.
Ah, ain’t ’08 gonna be great now!
Nate, #73, since you quoted my words, I shall give you this reply. IFF you are right (that’s logical notation for “if and only if”), then Fred Thompson will endorse McCain. If he does, and IFF McCain wins the nomination, THEN the Republic(an) party stands for absolutely nothing, the Reagan revolution will truly be dead, and, those of us who wish to “conserve” the principles of the constitution (which is why we are “conservatives”) are left not only with no captain, but with no ship.
Please – I beg you – don’t reply to this.
Just a reminder:
#84-utrejch4 is a Czech retard. Why it wants to support McCan’t is anybody’s guess, but I guess it thinks it’s being witty, kinda like a certain pansy-ass Brit who likes Chelsea soccer…
Pardon Jimmy, #81(
Pssst! JimBebo131, that’s your cue to say more stupid shit!)
McI McCan’t Mcsupport McCain Mcbecause Mche Mcis Mcnot Mca McRepulican.
Sorry, my Czech is rusty, McAlan. Excuse me, Chelsea is on on. Ohhh…soccer.
But eventually something is going to happen that will open everyone’s eyes, and the pendulum will swing to the right again. I just pray it doesn’t take another smoking hole in the ground. I wish I knew why so many in the population have such a tenuous moral base that it constantly shifts, but I don’t, and they do.
Even if there is another terrorist attack Americans won’t let fear swing them towards stupidity. Don’t hope too hard for another terrorist attack because even if it happens it isn’t going to help the ring wing wackos get more votes. By the way you sound pretty desperate if you hoping for terrorists to kill Americans just to get people to vote for your kind of candidates – just shows what a bunch of jerks you right wing people are.
You don’t have to be a conservative to kill terrorists. McCain or Hillary will slaughter plenty of them – probably in a much more efficient and precise manner than George W. Bush did. This may be even more true with Hillary Clinton because after years of being accused of being wimps the Democrats are itching to prove that they kill terrorists. If Hillary is elected president Al Qaeda’s days are numbered.
Actually, Alan, for a real mystery, who is #83, BunkerHillbilly?? Dare we ask?
BunkerHillbilly, that is a most fortuitous combination of words in your name! It reminds me of a certain Greek persona combined with a peculiar hint of a well-known New York cynicism disguised as British superiority. In other words, more please. 🙂
FRANK J., could you please get control of this and make them stop!!! Where have all these nutjobs come from? Where is teh funny? These goons take bits and pieces of posts and cut them up with those roundy end scissors they have and, using school paste and drool, patch them together to try to get someone to pay attention to them. Ugh.
I mean really. You dipshits, no one said they are hoping for a terrorist attack, McCain IS a RINO whether we vote for him or not, Romney is slightly more conservative in comparison, using the phrase “Juan McCain” does not mean nor imply that a person hates Latinos and Nancy Reagan is nice little old lady. Period.
I am going to bed and will try again tomorrow.
With his negative jabs with the Christian Coalition 8 years ago; remarks made toward Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson, these constituents are going to take alot to win back over. Possible VP pick I forcast after he quickly looks beyond Romney is none other than the Huck-a-hope.
McHuckaCane will become the next street drug by November, one could liken it to a nickname of ‘Hillbilly Acid’. Once you pull the lever at the booth on THAT blotter-ticket , you won’t know your right from your left.
#84-utrejch4 is a Czech retard. Why it wants to support McCan’t is anybody’s guess, but I guess it thinks it’s being witty, kinda like a certain pansy-ass Brit who likes Chelsea soccer…
What? Are you some kind of crazy person? I love Senator John McCain as do many other people. He is a wonderful man and he will make a great leader. He is the right man to lead us. I’m an American. WTF is with this Czech crap?
“He is a wonderful man”
Vicente Fox, Russ Feingold, Ted Kennedy, and Joe Lieberman all agree.
Whatsa madda, u-retch? You no lika Czechs? Racist bastard.
using the phrase “Juan McCain” does not mean nor imply that a person hates Latinos
Then why use it? If you don’t like him why not find some other way to insult him than using a Latino name. What you are you are doing is using a Latino name to insult him meaning that you think Latinos and Latino names are an acceptable way to insult someone. It is not acceptable. It is a mean and horrible thing to do. Please stop doing it. Do you really want your children to grow up being as rude and insulting to other cultures as you are? John McCain is just trying to solve this problem in a respectable way. Stop treating him so poorly.
I can’t stand McCain but we absolutely cannot allow a Democrat to win in November. Assuming JP Stevens and Ruth Buzzie Ginsburg survive until 1/20/09, there will be at least two SC vacancies in the next presidential term. Under no circumstances should Billary or Obambi be allowed to appoint Stevens’ and Ginsburg’s replacements. I’m not confident that McCain will appoint strict constructionists to the courts, but he certainly will do better than the Dems. We are so close to a 5-4 or even 6-3 conservative SC majority. Let’s not blow it.
forsterdad,
plus Thanks to John McCain we can now find out who our neighbors gave money too. Can’t wait to see what McCain thinks of once he is in office for four (hopefully eight!) years. This guy is a genius.
The most important is McCain will made all Americans join in the fight against global warming. That’s why so many republicans are voting for him.
Well, because, fosterdad, we’ve got 4 days to go until Super Tuesday. We fight until then for what we know is Right. It isn’t McICantVoteForHim.
I forgot what the hell this thread was originally about, so I went back and read Frank Js post. To demonstrate my solidarity with McCain, I just drove to my brother’s house (he’s a huge conservative) and told him to go %@#!#$ himself. Then I stole his wallet (and gave it to a migrant worker with 3 DUIs).
That’s what you get for being attacked by conservatives, juggular.
The rule about saying the Hamburgler’s name three times seems to work well when you say Mick’s name three times too. Apologies to all the Irish I’ve allegedly slurred through the pretzel twisting logic that insulting McCain somehow means that I hate the Irish.
#93-
http://youtube.com/utrejch4
Maybe, like “JimB”, it’s just an amazing coincidence. Now, “JimB” had implied that mathematics isn’t my strong suit and, as always, he was totally right! Math isn’t my strong suit; that might be a foregone conclusion, since I am here instead of a math forum.
But I digress… what are the odds that there are at least two each of “JoeB131” and “utrejch4, both of whom happened to start trolling here at around the same time, both being staunch supporters of John-boy McCain, both having an incredibly similar invective-laden defense, and both having their namesake counterparts in Europe?
It makes me think that either-
A) You’re both but just a couple of sock-puppets of the same idiot, or
B) IMAO readers ought to be buying more lottery tickets, as we seem to be beating the pants off the law of averages.
I’m going to go ahead & go with the former of those two.
But no else one has to take my word for it; “Czech” it out for yourselves!
Sorry. That was a terrible pun.
Robert, I never took it that way, and I’m so Irish, they’ve disowned me.
Amd whoever is #103, you seem to be a person on the horns of a dilemma (“on the horns of two horns”).
You could do well to study mathematics, and if you did, you might eliminate JimB as a culprit.
Cheers, 🙂
McCain = victory in Iraq
Fred Thompson approves this post.
Jimmy-
I believe there was a bit of sock puppetry going on here & I got the names mixed up while typing. Obviously, I meant no offense whatsoever to the real Jimmy who is a regular visitor here. Apparently, organization is not my strong suit, either.
So, my sincere apologies for the confusion.
Hi Alan. I thought you had your tongue in your cheek anyway! Things are confusing these days on blogs. neocon cowgirl said if well in #91: “FRANK J., could you please get control of this and make them stop!!!” I think you’ve handled the sock puppets very well, btw. Always a pleasure…Jim
Fine…
Just so I don’t get called anti-latino, every once in a while I’ll refer to McCain as Jean McAmnesty.
If that makes me anti-French, so be it.
I just read this column in it’s entirety and my stomach hurts. And Bob in Feenicks, you’re not helping, as usual. LOL
But I digress… what are the odds that there are at least two each of “JoeB131” and “utrejch4, both of whom happened to start trolling here at around the same time, both being staunch supporters of John-boy McCain, both having an incredibly similar invective-laden defense, and both having their namesake counterparts in Europe?
Hey, I’m not some foreign YouTuber. I’m an American who likes John McCain – check the polls it isn’t even unusual. Let’s run a search for you. Hmmm.. AlanABQ are you the guy with the listing at man2man247.com?
It is sad that group identity politics is so ingrained in America that otherwise sane people believe that Juan McCain = racist. First of all, Spanish speaking people of Mexico, Central, and South America are of a multitude races, just like English speakers of Canada and the US. At worst using Juan McCain as a stand-alone comment on McCain’s immigration policy denotes a CULTURAL bias, not a racial one. If one is a multiculturalist, I can see why such an comment would be offensive.
I personally have a cultural bias toward the the United States of America in particular, and the anglosphere in general. It is the culture of individual liberty. Is this racist? I think not. I believe that anyone who wants to come to this country legally and embrace our Constitutional principles, and the philosophical underpinings that gave rise to them, would be a fine American. That is our national heritage, and what makes America the greatest nation on earth, not our “diversity.”
That is also the biggest and most important part of assimilation. One of the major differences between amnesty ’86 and amnesty ’07 is that 3.5 million illegals in ’86 would be assimilated into American culture. Today, large numbers of the 20 million illeagals want to create their own reday-made demogrphic bloc of protected-class citizens, and take advantage of all the political pandering that entails. It is already happening, and they aren’t even legally allowed to vote yet.
Does calling John McCain “Juan” mean I think that Latinos (NOT a race) suck. No! It means that I think La Raza sucks. It means I think Aztlan sucks. I means that I think American politicians who pander to illegal aliens whose interests are detrimental to the interests of the United States suck.
If RedState and anyone else against illegal immigration allows the debate to start from the position of liberal demagogues, that racial and group identity politics are valid in our culture of individual liberty, it is only a matter of time until they win and America loses.
53- Alan, I didn’t take offense to her use of the word “slur” in March, I was just quoting from the article. You know, the one you asked for as proof that she said what she said.
As far as her pointing out that Edwards has used his tragedy for political gain, the thing is that two wrongs don’t make a right. There is a line you don’t cross, and she crossed it. Even Ed Morrisey at Captain’s Quarters has said that she’s gone too far.
I do find her occassionally amusing, but she does cross the line far too often, especially when she’s desperate to sell books because I think only about 15 backwater papers still carry her column at this point.
Hey, I’m not some foreign YouTuber. I’m an American who likes John McCain – check the polls it isn’t even unusual. Let’s run a search for you. Hmmm.. AlanABQ are you the guy with the listing at man2man247.com?
#111 – Posted by: utrejch4
That’s okay, he thinks that I’m some kid from the UK because he found a kid on Facebook with a similar name.
Which makes me wonder WHY AlanABQ trolls Facebook looking for kids…
A few years back I worked with a number of people of Central American descent. Their parents were legal immigrants from Nicaragua, Honduras and Guatemala. They all spoke Spanish, but were also fluent English speakers, and were intensely proud of being Americans, more so than most Americans whose families have been here for generations.
One day they were teaching me the slurs that Central Americans have among each other. For instance Nicaraguans are ‘mucos’ and Hondurans are ‘catrachos’ if I remember correctly. After they had gone through the list of Central American countries, I asked, “What is the name you call Mexicans when you want to insult them?” They all looked at each other bewildered for a moment, then answered in unison, “Mexicans!”
Is that racist? I don’t know, but I sure thought it was funny.
Hmm…
Now there’s three posters, 2 and 1/2 hours apart (in the wee hours of the morning here in America) who all agree that I’m a jerk. And you’re right; I am!
Did the bars just close across the pond, or is it yet another amazing coincidence?
The Facebook reference was invectively awesome; since you’ve shown that at least “one” of your personalities is good at recollectiion (at least with Ann Coulter’s quotes), will you tell me where I, or anyone else in the last few days, has referenced “Facebook” & kids, and why you thought it’s a good place for us… or even just me alone…
to troll for kids- unless you’re already are experienced with the “kids” part.
I’m just sayin’… but since since you seem to know…
JoeB131, you are really slime. Want a job?
FU McCain, go to hell.
Ron Paul still has more RINOs to slay including McCain whether that is in a third party run or in the primaries.
All RINOs will be slain,
R.I.P.
Dude, you’re the one who keeps linking to Facebook and MySpace… which I hear is very popular with kids… I wouldn’t know, I can barely operate a computer.
Anyway, I suspect that nearly everyone who knows you thinks you’re a jerk.
One more good reason to learn to live with John McCain.
He’s about the only Republican most Americans can still stand at this point.
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/as_campaign_season_begins_only_one_presidential_candidate_is_viewed_favorably_by_majority_of_voters
“The Arizona Senator is now viewed favorably by 53% of all voters (a total boosted by the fact that 56% of those not affiliated with the major parties have a positive opinion of him. Thirty-seven percent (37%) of voters nationwide have an unfavorable opinion of him.”
“Hillary Clinton is the only other candidate with favorables about 43%. She is viewed favorably by 48% of all voters and unfavorably by 50%. Attitudes about the former First Lady are held more firmly than those for other candidates. ”
“. Mitt Romney has the lowest total at 38%. Fifty-one percent (51%) have an unfavorable opinion of the former Massachusetts Governor.”
So I guess the “conservative” position is “Hey, let’s nominate the massively unpopular guy with the screwball religion who governed as a liberal because he tells you he’ll deport any Mexicans not working on his lawn. And if you don’t think that way, you’re a RINO, even if you worked for Republicans in every election since 1980.”
Yay Frank J!
So let me get this straight….if you’re a conservative Republican, changing one’s name to Juan to (tease)show disrespect for a presidential candidate’s views on amnesty makes you a racist… but of you’re any kind of a lib, marxist (a term I favor over socialist),pinko, you can call conservative Republicans any number of slurs (joos, neocons, blah, blah, blah) and we’re just supposed to sit back in awe of your superior intelect and not respond?! (And all of this at a satire/humor site….)
about an hour after posting that I saw Ann Coutler on Neil Cavuto and she basically said the same thing! I’m so proud.
Another great thing about McCain getting the nomination is that if Obama wins, from now on, any time ANYONE plays the race card EVER (I’m looking at you Al Sharpton) we can just say, “uh…hello???? BLACK PRESIDENT!!” and the argument is over.
McCain = Dead America as we’ve known it
McCain = Ted Kennedy selecting the next FIVE SCOTUS appointments
McCain = Democrats bringing back teh “Fairness Doctine” to kill publis resistance to Socialist policy.
McCain = total anmesty and the removal off all resistence to Mexican take over of America’s Southwest.
McCain = End of the 2nd Amendment and confiscation of our firearms.
McCain supports affirmative action laws.
McCain supports government funded embryonic stem cell research.
McCain supports homosexual Rights.
McCain supports open borders and anmesty for illegals. He lies about securing the border while having an agent of the Mexican government as his main immigration advisor.
But then McCain lies about ALL his supposed “conservative” positions.
Thestory of his talks about switching parties in 2001 have now become public. The idea that the public has become stupid enough to elect this fraud as the Republican candidate signals the final death of conservatisism in America and the final victory of Socialism.
Mourn. Mourn America and prepare for what is to come because it wil be as ugly and violent as anything seen in history. The world is about to desend into a period of darkness not seen in a thousand years.
If the choice is Hitlary/McCain, I’ll just stay home.
If it’s Obama/McCain I’ll vote Obama and let an avowed Socialist take the blame rather than someone who lies and conceals their true positions.
alan, you’re the guy who went on a facebook clone to find some British kid, whose picture you keep posting, which is kind of, well perverted.
Anyway, It strikes me as odd that you are all upset about some poor person who comes to this country to do a job that you’d probably consider beneath your dignity… and you’d happily destroy the economy to do it.
Well, if McCain totally screws up immigration, it’s not like anyone is gonna die. And we know he won’t screw up the one issue that is life-or-death (hint: it’s a war).
It’d be great if Romney won, but McCain will at least get the big stuff right.
…some poor person who comes to this country to do a job that you’d probably consider beneath your dignity
Not necessarily; I still talk to you. But that’s really not about going beneath my dignity, it’s really just for my own amusement, to read your verbal freak-outs. As far as “some poor person coming here to blah blah snivel blah”, my country has poor citizens of it’s own to take care of who would gladly fill the job markets that have become inundated by “cheap labor”. That, in turn, would be a huge boost to the economy by drastically reducing the unemployment rates.
… and you’d happily destroy the economy to do it.
LOL! I appreciate your faith in me, but I am just one man; I’d need a lot of help to do that. Maybe I can hire some illegals to help me…
But maybe your right… sorry, everyone, for singlehandedly bringing about the end of Western civilization in the future.
Frank,
First of all let me say I feel sorry for you having to read such a whiny depressing bunch of comments. I think this McCain thing has really got people down to the point they have forgotten this is a comedy site.
Second, I have an idea to make everyone feel better. Have a contest where everyone can list the 5 things they’d rather do than vote for McCain like drink bleach or slam their little finger in a car door or have proctologist appointments 10 days in a row. Then when they realize they don’t have to do any of that stuff OR vote for McCain they’ll all feel better. I hope this helps.
Steve-
Finding things to do other than vote for McCain, Paul or any of the rest of the leftover slim pickings is why we spend time coming here in the first place. 10 days with a proctologist might seem kinda benign compared to life with another left-leaning head of state for 4 years at a stretch.
Your idea of chugging bleach might be about as painful as that, but the idea of drinking the Koolaid instead does have the benefit of being a bit quicker.
What do you call 4 Mexican illegal immigrants in quicksand? … cuatro sinko.
Juan McRino sucks. Don’t they all. Still, better Bush than Kerry; better McStink than whomever, except ROM… but political correctness (and general idiocy) has run amok so McTraitor is actually beating ROM out, nothing surprises me any more… he might even become the next POTUS (no way am I not voting and no way am I voting sociocrat)… oh well I like nachos bell grande anyway.
So why is Mexico’s olympic team so lousy? … ’cause any of them who can run, jump or swim is over here!
Didn’t McPain “entertain” running with Lurch as his veep during the last election? I wonder if Ronald Reagan or any other true conservative would have given one seconds consideration to becoming the #2 to a liberal dick-head like John F’n Kerry? You McPain supporters are like lemmings who march to whatever tune the Republican National Committee orders you to! Some of us could care less what the elites think…we prefer to stick to conservative principles and McPain ain’t part of our plan for the future…party be damnned!
Well Joe, yes, I do support her.
I personally wouldn’t mind if someone blew up the building in which the NYT perpetuates it’s lies, slander and misinformation, but I would want to wait until the building was empty, unlike our brothers and sisters of the “Religion of Peace”.
Then again I wouldn’t use mentally disabled people to kill others in the name of my God either.
I can’t help it if Ann makes some people feel insignificant and weak. People who know who and what they are and where their going aren’t intimidated by strong personalities. They may disagree with them, they may dislike them but they don’t take what they say out of context to make their points. Most people have integrity which of course brings us back to the NYT.
Integrity “seems to be the hardest word” for them. If they had it they would report the news, the facts, reality, without the spin from the left. They, without a doubt, are the leading reason most people get their news somewhere other than print media. They may be ultimately responsible for the death of print media in our life time.
Still and all, Goooooooooo Ann.
AlanABQ – If employers could get even the poorest Americans to do a lot of the scrub work that undocumented workers do, they’d do it. The problem is that the market isn’t ready for a $10 head of lettuce.
Let’s talk about the real bad guys here. It isn’t the undocumented worker, it’s the employer who hires him because he has no power to demand wages, safe working conditions, etc. That’s why you can build the biggest fence in the world, and it won’t work. People will just dig under it, climb over it or get around it.
That’s the dirty little secret of the American economy, it has always had this underclass of powerless workers coming in at the bottom. Before the Mexicans you hate so much, it was the Poles, and before that the Italians and before that the Germans and the Irish.
And there have always been bigots like you who have to hate these people to make themselves feel better about themselves. The 18th Amendment was passed purely as an anti-German measure, becaue Germans were gathering in taverns doing German stuff. (Actually, we were getting drunk.) In the 19th century, you had signs that read “No dogs or Irish allowed.”
Ah, those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it…
On #134
:::::Learning to Live With Illegals:::::
Rule#1: Play The Race Card
135- Do you think bigots like Alan (and maybe yourself) would be so horribly upset about “illegal immigration” if we were talking about 12 million Canadians? You know, if they looked just like us, and spoke English just like we do except they say “aboot” instead of “about” and they like Hockey.
Of course he wouldn’t. But Mexicans are poor, they’re brown and Alan would rather let Hillary win than have a GOP candidate who thinks that maybe after they pay a huge honking fine and wait 13 years, we might let them become citizens.
As much as I don’t like some things about McCain, It is nice to see that the bigots or the people who pander to them aren’t winning.
JoeB, you are a total dumbass!
“The problem is that the market isn’t ready for a $10 head of lettuce.”
First of all, you have no understanding of economics, or you would understand this argument is a total farce. However, let’s assume for a moment that lettuce did go to $10.00 per head becuase farm workers had to be paid meager wage that worked out to $25k per year or so. Either people would stop buying lettuce, or we would import it from elsewhere, or people would pay for it, and have less money to spend on other things – or someone would invent a mechanical lettuce picker that reduced the need for labor. Any of those situations is preferable to the very exploitation of the illegal workers you claim to have a problem with. Of course, if you really had a problem with that, you would not make the lettuce argument in the first place. Becuase treating illegal workers fairly would cause the same increase in lettuce prices you calim the illegal workers prevent.
What getting rid of the illegal work force would really do is mean that McMansion dwellers would have to cut their own lawns, and that room rates would go up in Vegas, and living wages would have to be paid to American workers at the bottom end of the economic scale, raising the value of labor accross the board. It is called the FREE MARKET, and it works every time. The reason it is not working now is becuase it is being artificially manipulated with with vast numbers of illegal foreign workers.
On the left it is being done for political reasons, on the right for economic reasons. Either way, the poor brown people you claim to be so concerned about are being exploited. If you REALLY care about them you should be against illegal immigration too.
Next time you try to make an argument, shoot for just a little logical continuity.
Joe-
It’s so nice to see that you can’t get past the name calling, and yet I thought that it was the very same thing that made Ann Coulter such an awful person. I know, “do as we say, not as we do”, yeah?
That’s just how you people are… when all else fails, mislabel & slander someone, project your own character flaws on them, accuse them of the same things that you’re probably guilty of, and then do your level best to get others to side with your bullshit stories.
“AlanABQ is a big meanie who hates all teh brown people & beats kittens to death with a baseball bat!!! He’s also a pervert because he exposed me as a fraud!!!”
And that’s about how it comes across. But at least now you can write in your diary, “Ha ha! I sure told him!”. Whatever it takes to float your boat, honey. Please feel free to keep talking trash & making up more lies; it just illustrates your immaturity better than I possibly could.
The problem is that the market isn’t ready for a $10 head of lettuce.
And now the real reasons why you’re such a phony advocate for criminals begin to emerge; it’s not because you’re concerned about them-
You just don’t want to pay any extra for produce! It’s not about skin color, is it Joe? It’s about making sure that grocery prices stay nice & low because, God forbid, anyone have to pay a little extra on rabbit food before going to Starbucks…what a joke!
But that proletarian speech you gave in #134? That was very poignant… I almost didn’t laugh at it until I read it again. BTW, you forgot to mention the Chinese in your super awesome list of poor oppressed migrants, comrade.
You’re a Socialist, Joe. I’m sorry if you can’t see it, but it seems as though Hillary might really be better suited to your needs, not mine. As far as whether McCain would be better as CIC than her or not, that’s a moot point: both of them suck as choices. I’d sooner vote for Ron Paul than either of them, but that really wouldn’t be much better.
Q: Why do the Mexicans cross the border only two at a time?
A: All the signs say “NO TRESPASSING”.
Well, Gosh, Steve, if you are really for a “Free” market, you should support Amnesty, then all those brown folks can demand a living wage to pick lettuce or clean hotels rooms. That is why I find this argument to be a total farce. The very people who WANT to perpetuate the status quo are the rich people who really control this party.
The problem with all your “alternatives” is that none of them are workable. Importing means American Farmers are hurt (and they’ll do somethign about it politically), machines are expensive and wasteful, and people aren’t going to ever stop buying lettuce. Whose being economically unrealistic here?
Actually, most legal immigrants see this bigotry for what it is, which is why it backfires on the GOP every time we foolishly pander to it. Bob Dole pandered to it in 1996, and he lost Florida,Arizona, New Mexico and Nevada. Bush 41 carried FL and AZ in 1992, and Bush 42 won all four in 2004. Why, the Bushes were seen as being fair to hispanics. In 2006, when the bigots tried to run on the Minuteman Platform, we lost 30 seats in the House and 6 in the senate. Yup, there were contributing factors, but that was one of them.
138 – Calling someone who makes racist jokes a “bigot” isn’t name-calling. It’s a description. But I don’t know what kind of alternate universe where Coulter’s mocking of a dead child is ever acceptable. Perhaps you can explain that one to me.
As far as the lettuce comment, I was pointing out the obvious. If you bigots got your way and rounded up all the Mexicans and shipped them back to Mexico, you would have $10.00 lettuce. You would have farms that would go under because they would no longer be profitable. You would have a glut in the housing market because you’d have 4 million empty domiciles available for rent or purchase, driving down home prices even further. It’s not just that you’d have to pay them more, it’s that most Americans wouldn’t want to do that work, ever. They are dirty, awful jobs.
You whine and cry about the law being broken, but the law was broken when it was passed. Had enough legal immigration been allowed to fill these positions, had the border been patrolled, had workplace rules called for in Simpson-Mazolli been enforced (That was when your hero Reagan actually gave dreaded amnesty to 3 million “criminals”) we wouldn’t be in this situation now. Now we have to fix it.
I’m wondering, what kind of Home-schooling class you managed to avoid learning about the immigrant experience and the bigotry they’ve faced over the years.
OK sis, what racist joke?
The rest of your typed blathering is nonsensical… again… so I won’t bother with it. As for the last little cheap shot in a loooong list of them (that really seems to be your only skill), I went to public school. Perhaps you have a point there after all (finally), although I don’t think that’s the way you intended it.
A few miscellaneous observations:
– illegal immigration should not have any quotation marks around it, thats what it is, exactly. If you want to use quotes, go with “invasion”.
– $10/head for lettuce, so what. Weed used to be $30/oz. I’m drug free now but gotta have my lettuce.
– I didn’t realize Canadians all looked like us and that we all look alike. Then again I didn’t realize I liked hockey til I went to a game and had a great time. BTW, one of the best parts of all sports events in America is the singing of the national anthem!… what a feeling… revulcionaries can stick that in their pipes and smoke it. Canada’s national anthem SUCKS btw, and the Mexican national anthem is “Aren’t You Hungry for Burger King Now”.
JoeB I am for a free labor market. However illegal immigrants are rightfully members of the American labor market. Furthermore I did not present alternatives, they are results of increased pressure on the price of lettuce. And of course they are workable.
“Importing means American Farmers are hurt (and they’ll do somethign about it politically)”
American farmers can take their lumps just like everyone else. Compete or die. If suck-ass commie politicians didn’t pander to them, I would have to worry about them being subsidized out of my pocket.
“machines are expensive and wasteful”
Compared to illegal immigrant labor, yes. Compared to $10.00 a head lettuce, no.
“people aren’t going to ever stop buying lettuce”
Really? Try charging them $10.00 a head for it. People aren’t ever going to stop breathing air. That is the trouble with liberals, you don’t understnad the difference betwen needs and desires.
Finally, who cares whether La Raza thinks I’m a racist bigot – or you for that matter? Your racial identity polotics is the real racism. BTW, I have no desire to see anyone rounded up and sent anywhere, except for business owners and managers who HIRE illegal aliens. Fine the businesses $50k per violation, and put the people responsible in jail for 1 yr. per violation, and the problem will be over very quickly. Current marginal income earners will be elevated to the middle class, the chronically unemployed underclass (primarily racial minority AMERICANS) will be able to go to work, and suck-ass liberals will have to drink Folger’s and drive Chevys instead of Starbuck’s and Volvos.
Hey JoeB131,
In the Southwest, illegal immigrants face much more bigotry from Mexican-Americans than from Anglos. In fact, it’s my Mexican friends who taught me the word mojado. Perhaps you could educate these non-La Raza supporting people of Mexican descent that don’t support illegal immigration, while calling them hateful bigots and racists too. I’m sure they would appreciate your wisdom. Please invite me along, I’d love to see how receptive they would be.
By the way Joe, when you say its all about Mexicans, brown people, and lettuce picking, it means that you’re the bigot.
JoeB, perhaps you don’t go much grocery shopping, but if you check your produce department, you will see that most of your produce is already coming from Mexico. Much of the lettuce thats grown in this great country comes out of Yuma, AZ, where the majority of migrant workers are legal or have work permits. The $10 head of lettuce is a ridiculous and ignorant argument meant for bleeding hearts that aren’t interested in the facts. The only thing more offensive than the argument itself is that the lettuce statement has come out of Senior McCain’s mouth (shame on you John, you know the truth).
I am so tired of hearing the lame argument that “They do the work that American’s won’t do.” You mean like carpentry, construction, roofing and tile setting? While there is a small minority of jobs that illegals are doing that most American’s might not choose to do, the LARGE majority of the jobs they are taking used to be well paying trade jobs that tons of American’s would be lining up for if wage suppression stemming from illegals taking those jobs had not happened. It is almost impossible to hire an American to do trade work here in Arizona, and it’s not because Americans won’t do the work.
On second thought Joe, you are correct, there are jobs that American’s wouldn’t do – human trafficking, drug smuggling, and joining up with the Mexican Mafia.
I have had my SS# stolen not once, but twice by illegals obtaining work in the construction industry. Joe, do you think that I should feel sorry for the people that stole my identity because of the alleged hardships they face in the US?
Before you insult someone else’s eduction, perhaps you should learn the facts of the illegal immigration situation, rather than chanting the liberal, bleeding heart mantras.
BTW, I just read that McInsane is going to be in MASS. to watch the superbowl in an attempt to get some last minute votes, and to embarrass Romney. Smart thinking, Mr. rocket surgeon, that’s a much better strategy than representing your home state AT the Superbowl! Not that I want him to get any more press, but can you imagine the camera time he would have gotten if he showed up at the Superbowl?
Brilliant, just brilliant!
Wow, Alan, you can’t even see how the “No Trespassing” joke is racist? you’re worse than I thought.
Yeah, I guess you can’t respond to the rest of it because your tiny mind can’t get around the fact that if you remove 12 million worker/consumers from the economy with no plan to replace them, the economic results are pretty catostrophic.
Good point, though, although most Public schools do emphasize the PC part of history, I could still see how you are a product of Public Education with your lack of reasoning skils.
Steve, if you are going to use code words like “identity politics”, (which means, keep voting against your own interests or we’ll accuse you of “identity politics” and being selfish), you aren’t going to impress me that much.
Farmers “don’t take their lumps”. They go to Congress and they get action. That’s why we have multi-billion dollar farm bills and a USDA that has one bureaucrat for every seven farmers.
I’m not concerned about whether you think you are a racist or not. I am concerned that the bigots like Alan tarnish our party and cause us to lose elections. Whenever we take the nativist rat-poison, we lose elections. Never fails. It’s bad enough that the Republican Name brand is associated with “incompetence”, we don’t need it associated with racism, too.
I do agree that we should go after the scumbag employers who hire illegals to exploit them, but the real problem is that we don’t have a system in place for the honest employer who did what he was supposed to do in checking IDs, only to not get confirmation from the Federal Government for two years that he submitted a stolen or bogus SSN.
Hey, Robert, I am sure there are a few “Tio Tomas” types among the Hispanic Community full of self-loathing, but the fact is the last time we nominated someone who pandered to the Nativists, that person being Bob Dole, we lost the Southwest to Clinton. On top of that, we lost FLORIDA to Clinton because even though most of the hispanics living there were of Cuban Ancestory and legal, they didn’t like Dole’s attitude.
Bashing illegals is a losing issue. It turns people off. Come on, the top two vote getters have been Mccain and Huckabee, we aren’t even selling this nonsense to our own, much less the country at large.
Reference #52.
you can’t even see how the “No Trespassing” joke is racist? you’re worse than I thought.
LOL! Who is it racist against, Joe? Just to let you know, “Mexican” is not a race any more than I am of the “American” race. Once again, good try, but you are wrong yet again. I would think that you’d be getting tired of that by now.
your tiny mind can’t get around the fact that if you remove 12 million worker/consumers from the economy with no plan to replace them
You think “Mexican” is a race, Joe. If I were you, I wouldn’t go knocking someone else’s intellect until I had one of my own, pun’kin. But keep up the invective; surely that will make you seem less ridiculous.
Now as for the continuous drivel about removing “12 million worker/consumers from the economy with no plan to replace them” (and it’s likely closer to 20 million, BTW), here’s a little activity for you:
The US unemployment rate is roughly 5%. Now, just for giggles, why don’t you go ahead & find out what 5% of 260 million is.
Go ahead, li’l buddy! You can do it!
Well JoeBigot,
When you said, “I am sure there are a few “Tio Tomas” types among the Hispanic Community full of self-loathing,” did you realize that you slurred any Mexican American that doesn’t agree with you a race traitor/uncle tom? You then proceed to give lessons on the evils of “identity politics” while espousing your own. Ignorance must be blissful.
I hope you get a job as a Clinton intern.
#150- Alan, I’m really convinced you are some kind of high-functioning retarded person. It’s the only explanation I can find.
Sure, the unemployment rate is 4.9% That is actually considered “full employment”. That means that a percentage of the workforce that is between jobs at any given time. Most of those are skilled workers who aren’t about to take up cleaning toilets and picking lettuce.
In fact, according to Congressional estimates, it would cost 94 Billion to deport all 12 million undocumented workers.
http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/09/13/estimate-for-deporting-illegal-immigrants-94-billion/
#151- Sorry, bud, I call them like I see them. The Minutemen are bigots, and if they had their way, they’d probably deport all the Mexicans, not just the undocumented ones. Tio Tomas might think they accept him, but they don’t.
JoeB131,
A-T-T-R-I-T-I-O-N T-H-R-O-U-G-H E-N-F-O-R-C-E-M-E-N-T
It’s not that hard a concept. If you enforce the laws, THEY WILL GO HOME THEMSELVES. Also, do you honestly expect 20 million people to assimilate?
Now go ahead and call me a bigot.
#150 – Man, you know that all these brown people look alike to me! And I can’t understand that weird Mexican crap they speak.
But you’re the racist and bigot. Yeah.
Joe, on a more personal note I gotta ask. Are you a communist? Your thoughts on what should be allowed in this country have me wondering this.
With current laws effectively disallowing vagrants to trespass over landowners property, is this issue something that gets overlooked in your eyes? Should there be a enforceable law in this or any other instance?
When is it that our government goes to lengths to seize land from private citizens to set up immigration paths for said illegals to roam so lawyers can then make a buck at them suing our government / taxpayers for lack of drinking fountains and obstructions they tripped over.
On #155
I give it about 10 years before you idgits are on this path thing with the bleeding heart ACLU backing it to the full extent.
Heh.
Joe thinks that “Mexican” is a race, yet calls me a retard.
He has dutifully pigeon-holed Latinos into only menial jobs, but I’m bigoted.
He stated that math isn’t my strong point, but he cannot work out a simple correlation coefficient between 13 million Americans “between jobs” (that one is always funny; “between jobs” means UNEMPLOYED.) and 12-20 million invaders doing the jobs that Americans used to do before the markets were flooded & undercut by these illegal people from the south. Jobs that they would still be doing if people like Joe & his idol McCain were rooting for Americans first.
As though all the unemployed… pardon, “between jobs”… Americans wouldn’t do a menial job to feed their families, pay the doctor & Rx bills, and keep up with the rent/mortgage.
He then proceeded to cite our awesome liberal majority Congress AND the New York Times as source info! Just referencing those two alone for his irrefutable information has pretty much destroyed any virtual credibility he might have had.
He seems to think that domestic security and safety is worth less than $94 billion. Or even if it were, the US is strapped for cash. We’ve got financial assistance, EBT/food stamps, WIC, free healthcare and on & on for non-citizens, but can’t afford to stem the problem at the source. And why would we want to? Then we might have to pay a little bit more for lettuce! Life-sustaining lettuce!
Won’t somebody please think of the lettuce! The horror of it all!
I hope he never leaves; he is the funniest thing since The Limey. Hell, they might even be neighbors.
I realize it’s not nice to tease the disadvantaged & less fortunate, but JoeB131 (no relation to the JoeB131 in England… whatever) is just too easy a target.
153#- Yeah, Attrition through Enforcement.
I put that one up with , “The Iraqis will be throwing flowers at our feet” in the wishful thinking department.
155#- “Hey, you migrants, get off my lawn!” Come on, this is your best argument, that an immigrant might walk over your property when sneaking into the country. Actually, right now, the Federal Government is seizing private property to build the boodoggle Fence. (And the Supreme Court says they can do this.) so who’s the communist here? and A fence would be the most worthless thing, ever, but the GOP will call for one to appeal to the Bigots. (Hey, ask the Chinese how that Great Wall worked out.)
157- Alan, I seem to remember our current “conservative” leaders telling us the Iraq war would cost only $100 billion. They fired some poor schlub that estimated it would cost $200 billion. I think we are at $500 billion and counting…
94 Billion is probably grossly understated, because it only counts the costs of rounding them up and incarcerating them until they can be deported. (Oh, yeah, and Mexico will probably fight us on sending them back.) It doesn’t take into account the costs of removing millions of people.
Oh, yeah, I could imagine this sale for the GOP. “Hey, I used to be a computer programmer, but Corporate America shipped my job to India! No problem, though, we just deported a bunch of Mexicans, so now i’m cleaning toilets!”
I suspect you bigots want us to lose. You are against the only saleable candidate we have as a populist. You want Corporate America to run roughshod over working folks, and you want to alienate 14% of the population by acting like a bunch of bigots. Brilliant.
Final point. McCain never proposed “amnesty”. He proposed that illegals pay a fine, and wait 13+ years before they had a chance to become citizens. This was a hell of a lot more strict than the Simpson-Mazzoli act signed by Ronald Reagan (remember him?) in 1986, which really was amnesty.
It’s a good thing Reagan died before seeing what his beloved party has become.
Here are 20 Reasons not to vote for Juan McAmnesty with out bringing the poor Ronald Reagan’s name into it.
http://davidkfuller.blogspot.com/search/label/20%20Reasons%20Not%20To%20Vote%20for%20Juan%20McAmnesty
David, if you are going to repeat the discredited lies that McCain collaborated with the Vietnamese, I’m not sure what to say about you..
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/293/
There is only one reason not to vote for Big Mac. He’s running in the wrong party. His beliefs and promises belong in the Democratic party not the Republican Party. You don’t need any other reason. A man who is not loyal to his stated beliefs will not be loyal to you. A cheat is a cheat is a cheat.
This my friends is not rocket science. This is common sense. If he will sell out his party, he will sell you out faster. This has been proven over and over again.
Hey, Sean, don’t you support Mr. Magic Underwear, whose changed his position on everything? You’ve made a pretty good case on not supporting Romney..
The problem with McCain is not that he isn’t conservative enough. He’s more conservative than any other GOP candidate. Guiliani, Romney and Huckabee are more liberal. Heck, ACU gave McCain an 82% rating, compared to 86 for Fred Thomspon.
The problem with McCain is that in the 18% where he has disagreed, he’s stuck it in the eye of Bush, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity and the rest of the conservative establishment.
If y’all want a RINO to run for President then by all means support McQueeg. I won’t, and neither will the rest of the base, so what are you going to do with him after he’s the nominee? It took 4 years of Jimmey Carter to enlighten us enough to elect Ronald Reagan, just think of what kind of wonderful CONSERVATIVE President we’ll get from 4 years of Hillary!!
JoeB131:
Would you please stop referring to yourself as a Republican? Statements such as ‘our party’ made while puking out the pap that is the DNC and La Raza talking points are disingenuous at best.
I realize that Demo libstains like yourself think that all of us on the right are too stupid to know what an agent provocateur is. “Let’s fool the stupid Righty bleating sheep by pretending to be Republican and then we’ll REALLY confuse them with our wonderfulness!”
Yeah, we are soooooo fooled. I mean, since we’ve never been taught to think for ourselves and since JoeB131 is SUCH a Republican, then what we have been thinking CAN’T be right, right? /sarc off
C’mon, Joe. Try to have a little intellectual honesty for once. Admit your Democraticalness.
Credibility. It’s not just for breakfast anymore.
Alan, I seem to remember our current “conservative” leaders telling us the Iraq war would cost only $100 billion. They fired some poor schlub that estimated it would cost $200 billion. I think we are at $500 billion and counting…
And…? That just illustrates my point about the silly notion that we couldn’t possibly afford to deport those people who are not supposed to be here. It’s just another lie.
I’m a little disappointed in you, JoeB; you didn’t call me one single childish name in your last post. I’m beginning to think that maybe you don’t care about me…
165- I’ve been with the Illinois GOP since 1980. Now, Illinois has contributed such characters as Jim Thompson, Jim Edgar and George Ryan to the sense of the absured known as national politics.
Since my guy, McCain is winning, I think I’m probably more representative of where the party is than you are.
166- My point was that most government estimates are waaayyy too low, Alan. Have you ever known a government program that’s come in under budget? Well, I can’t think of one either.
So if the government tells us the costs of rounding up the illegals is 94 Billion, you should probably multiply that by a factor of four.
#165 – You know, I’d called him a moby a while back, though for a while he managed to keep his barking moonbat side in check just long enough for me to think my call was off.
Now that we’re seeing his true colours, I shouldn’t have second-guessed myself. Looks like I was right after all.
Oh, and y’all will just love this: my husband is a native-born Hispanic, and many of his relatives are legal immigrants from Mexico, including his mother. None of them work ‘the jobs white people don’t want’: some work for the government, a few are businesspeople, several are in law enforcement or in the military, and one’s even a rap musician. (He’s kind of a joke, but still) And my husband’s profession? He was in the Navy for 13 years, got out to realise his dream of becoming a published writer. (Maybe that’s why well-off liberals want him working low-end jobs like a good little ‘Mexican’…they’re worried about their job security if the proles get too uppity)
They’re all traditional Democrats, though Husband tells me that my mother-in-law is so disgusted with the mudslinging, class envy tactics,, and identity politics, that she’s going to be voting Independent in this election. So I should probably thank Joe…all the white liberal ethnicity-baiting (that’s race-baiting for Joe) that his ilk practises has actually alienated a number of Hispanic voters, who are tired of hearing from ‘caring’ libtards like Joe that they can only get menial jobs and must have gotten into the country by being criminals. (which amuses the ones in law enforcement)
So, in a way, I suppose I should be thankful that they’ve begun to realise what white Democrats really think of them.
Hey Joe,
I don’t support anyone at this stage of the game.
I’ve said this before but probably not here, “If my underwear was magic, there’s a lot of more important things I’d be doing right now”- and they wouldn’t be trading dung bombs with someone who can’t find reality with a map, a herd of sherpas, Indianna Jones, GPS, Sonar, and Data and the entire Enterprise crew assisted Yoda.
Whether I support Mr. Romney, or not, I can not support someone who’s party thinks that it is their right and privilege to make all my decisions for me. I will not surrender my rights and freedom to a bunch of people who wouldn’t recognize morality if it took off all it’s clothes, climbed on the Empire State building and danced naked with a rose between it’s teeth. Nor will I support someone who pretends to be something he’s not. Mr. McCain is not a conservative. If he’s a conservative, Al Sharpton’s got land southeast of Martha’s Vineyard he’d like to sell you.
Any way you just go out and have a truly blessed day.
168# – So you’re the one who married “Tio Tomas”, eh?
Sorry, I know a lot of Hispanics, too. Almost all of them are pretty disgusted with the GOP at this point because of the way Tancredo, Thompson, Romney and yes, even Huckabee played up to the racists and nativists.
Incidently, I don’t mean any disrespect for those who do “menial” jobs. When my Grandparents came here from Germany in the 1920’s, they did menial jobs while working for something better for their children. The real problem is that somewhere along the line, instead of doing better than our parents (always the goal), we end up doing worse even though we are doing everything right.
I’ve campaigned for the GOP candidate in every election since 1980, except 1988 when I was active duty military and they frowned on that sort of thing. I look at the pandering to this nativist element and the willingness to allow all the abuses Corporate America engages in, and I wonder what has become of my party.
JoeB131 said:
165- I’ve been with the Illinois GOP since 1980.
Y’know, Joe…assertions aren’t facts. Pesky things, facts are. I could claim to be the King of England but that doesn’t make it true.
If, by this, you infer that I am calling you a liar, you’re right.
Basilisk- Glad your family sees Democrat identity politics for what it is. Here’s to hoping more people wake up. All my best to you and yours! 🙂
Dkirk, I’d be happy to direct you to another board I post on all the time, where they’d be happy to straighten you out on my party affiliations… I’m game if you are.
Sean- That has to be the most non-sensical string of thought I have read. You know what, though, even though I disagree with McCain on a lot of issues, I respect the fact he stands by what he believes, as opposed to Mr. Magic Underwear, who pretty much governs by whatever the polls tell him. My thought, if you need a poll to tell you what your opinion on something is, you aren’t very founded in morality. YOu are founded in oppurtunism.
Let’s take an issue that I disagree with McCain on, interrogation techniques. I think that we should use whatever techniques are needed to stop terrorism. McCain has an opinion that we shouldn’t, based on the fact that he saw POW’s tortured in Vietnam, including himself. Don’t agree with him, but I admire the fact he stands by his principles.
Romney would probably take a poll, and then claim he had a spiritual awakening.
JoeB131,
So, basically you want to prove you’re a Republican by referencing…yourself.
What else would you call it by directing me to a board where you claim to be a Republican (just like here) and they actually believe you (unlike here.) What is it, DU? Kos?
Personally, I think Joe is a metaphor for McCain…someone who wants to tell you who he is while expecting you to ignore the contents of his words and actions. Lose the populist rhetoric and possibly I’ll be convinced, otherwise it’ll be a colossal waste of my time.
Talk about a cat-herding exercise. Pointless.
Congratulations for fecking up the metaphor, Joe! Or, should I say, Jose? The correct term you’re looking for is pocho. It means ‘faded in colour’ and implies Mexican-Americans who have been culturally disconnected from their heritage. (As in, refusal to speak Spanish, which you seem to be so OFFENDED! when people do; or when people Anglicise their Spanish names…oh, like say a Jose going by the name of Joe)
This is why I seriously doubt you actually ‘know a lot of Hispanics.’ (‘I can’t be racist! I have black friends!’) If you’re going to be even a partially effective moby and insult Hispanics who don’t kiss your arse and bow down to you as the great white master who will ‘save’ them from oppression, (but don’t seem to have a problem with them working for lower than minimum wage to keep the price of lettuce down) at least get the terms right. You would think that someone as ‘culturally sensitive’ as you portend to be would take the time to actually learn the correct term instead of appropriating a black slur that does nothing more than fuel the oft-storied ‘racial divide’ between blacks and Hispanics. Now, I’m not calling you bigoted towards blacks, I’m simply calling you out for what you are: a racially- and culturally-insensitive boor.
Another fact that gave you away? You called them Hispanics. I use the term because that’s the easiest way to shorthand the American side of the culture. However, Hispanics don’t usually call themselves Hispanic. They call themselves Latinos, Mestizos, Chicanos, Puertorriquenos, Cubanos, etc. etc…or if you prefer, y mas y mas. ‘Hispanics’ are only artificially unified in the States…they think of themselves as belonging to a specific nationality and ethnicity as opposed to a unified ‘race’ the way white Americans generally do.
That also is another sign you’re a moby: only white liberals assume everyone is really a white liberal beneath their skin, with no regard to actual differences in culture. Conservatives judge people by their character, not by how ‘sensitive’ others make them look. And that’s where you ultimately fail the test of conservative principle: judging people exclusively by their skin and how much political leverage/soft, fluffy feelings about your own fake ‘sensitivity’ it can get you.
I call B.S. again, but this time I’m sticking with it. You are the most hate-filled, bigoted, cultural imperialist, brain-dead moby tool I’ve had the displeasure of ever deigning with anything beyond even the most half-assed of responses. You’re about as ‘conservative’ as the Berzerkely City Council, as culturally-sensitive as Jose Tomas Boves, (slaughtered about half of Venezuela’s white population in the name of ‘freedom’) as ‘tolerant’ as a Bosnian ethnic war, and as ‘genuine’ as a three dollar bill. God have mercy on those ‘Hispanic friends’ you supposedly have, and I hope that one day they find out just how low you really think of them if they actually exist. I wouldn’t wish a ‘friend’ like you on John McCain.
#173 – As unlikely as it is, I’m amused by the suggestion that — dundundunduuuuuunnnnnn! — he is McCain, but I think McCain can actually speak some Espanol, unlike our resident wannabe. (With a horrid accent I’m sure, but I believe he at least speaks on the high school Spanish class level) In a way, I wish it were true. I’d love for that assclown to know where he can shove his hokey conservatism. (Well, OK….perhaps he is a conservative…in China)
I agree it’s a cat-herding exercise, though. Joe’s not here to rationally discuss anything, (or like most of us, only here for teh lolz) he’s here to tell everyone how wrong — wrong, I tell you! — they are for not falling into step behind him like good little proles. Or maybe he got lost on the way to DailyKos where he’s their token ‘conservative’? Who can say? I suppose even Maureen Dowd looks like a conservative next to some folks.
Basilisk, I stand in awe. You said it all.
Dkirk, nice to see you don’t have the balls to back up your claims. I am willing to direct you to a board where I’ve been posting for 3 years, where a lot of people know me, and know well what my political affiliations are. Then again, I don’t know you from Adam. Democrats WANT to go up against Magic Underpants, so I kind of wonder if you’re not the Democrat, trying to get us to pick the weakest possible candidate.
Basalisk, that’s the best you have? I don’t use the “sub-group” names, instead using the collective name “Hispanic”? Really, seriously, that’s the best you have?
I lived with a Mexican-American woman for 11 years. When I was in the service, I met lots of Puerto-Ricans and Mexicans and Cubans. Even one gal from Chile. (I also met a few Mormons, and they were the most back-stabbing mother f**kers I ever met in my life, which is why I wouldn’t vote for Romney under ANY circumstances. He reminds me of them.)
I’m not worried about “sensitivity”, I’m worried about the fact that certain elements of the GOP are willing to alienate just about everyone in order to justify their own prejudices.
The fact is that most hispanics support a path to citizenship and the McCain plan to accomplish that. Even legal immigrants and native born hispanics (including Puerto Ricans, who are already citizens) feel that the Lou Dobbs bigots have made their lives more difficult.
Read it and weep. Or smile, in your case.
http://pewresearch.org/pubs/659/immigration-debate
Actually, I have no idea what terms Hispanics use amongst themselves, I just thought “Tio Tomas” sounded clever. (And given how upset you got by it, I made my point.)
For the record, my ancestory is 50% German, and the other 50% being a mix of English, Irish, Dutch and Cherokee Indian.
Oh, and since MY guy is winning, I would say I speak more for the REpublican Party than you do. In fact, the Bigot vote has been the Kiss of Death in this primary season. Tancrazy, the only guy who was sincere in his hate, didn’t even make it to Iowa. Thompson who sucked up to these people, died on the vine. Huckabee started out fair, but when you all started criticizing him because he (gasp) wanted to give hispanics in state tuition, he went into the “deport them all” mode, and sunk like a rock. Now Magic Underpants, who said two years ago that McCain’s proposal was “Reasonable”, and was happy to have undocumented workers trim his hedges, has sucked up to the bigots, and he’s going to get his head handed to him today.
#176 – Admittedly, I had some help. My husband just rolled his eyes and said, “You know, if you’re going to insult me, at least get the terms right.” I don’t speak all that much Spanish, (more than Joe, though, looks like) so he had to fill in some of the blanks. More than what Joe can be assed to do, certes.
I think I’m done with our resident bigot Joe-boy. As ZOMGOUTRAGED!!1!1! he supposedly is over anyone who disagrees with him — excuse me, I mean bigotry — yet gleefully engages in it himself, (likely to deflect people noticing that he is one…too little too late, I’m afraid) he’s just on his pretend crusade so he can go back to Kos and have his ego stroked on how he showed those big ol’ meanine wingnuts.
The thing is, if his poor online behaviour is any reflection of his offline life, whatever acquaintances he have likely noticed what a self-important, narcissistic prick and liar he is and are probably complaining about him behind his back. Give it 50 or so years down the line, and he’ll die a lonely, bitter old man, un-mourned at his passing. You can’t help but pity a boy that pathetic.