Dude at John Kerry event gets tasered:
The Kwazy Kos Kids are apoplectic (“THE POLICE STATE IS HERE!”) and even some people at Hot Air think this was excessive.
I think it’s hilarious. Maybe I’m missing something.
Now, this video was cut so it looks like he just asked a question about Skull & Bones and suddenly the police tackle him, but I think it’s pretty obvious from how the kids acts (and how everyone applauds when he’s dragged away) that he was previously hogging the mic and being disruptive such that he had to be removed so the event could continue (because, apparently, some people actually like to listen to John Kerry, and, in America, that’s their right). Then he does all he can to keep the police from dragging him away, so they taser the idiot. Where’s problem?
First of all, it’s not like they shot him in the head. He just experienced some… um… discomfort, which he could have easily avoid had he ever chose not to be an obnoxious idiot. This guy was obviously using the police to make a scene and get his fifteen minutes, and he learned there are some unpleasant consequences for that action. Really, if you come to disrupt a speaking event and then fight the police, what exactly is the best possible outcome you might expect from that situation?
Second, do you really think the police are going to go on a crazy taser spree because they tasered one moron who was resisting arrest. Oh no! We could all now get tasered… if we try to interrupt an event and then resist arrest.
Third, I thought it was pretty funny how he was calling out for people to do something. “Yeah! We’ll beat up the police so you can continue to shout down the speaker with crazy moonbat conspiracies! We’ll get right on that!”
I had to feel for Kerry in this. There’s nothing in the etiquette book for what to say while someone is getting tasered. Since he’s a liberal, he knows he’s supposed to be sensitive, but all he really wanted was the guy to shut up. This would have been the perfect time for him to shout, “Do you know who I am?!” And, after the idgit got tasered, add, “I’m John F’n Kerry, bitch!” He’d be a regular French-looking badass, if he did that… like Jean Reno.
Anyway, I think the police weren’t excessive at all, and hopefully the student involved learned an important lesson. If he does it again, though, next time they should taser him in the nads.
UPDATE:
Here’s a first hand account of what happened. Apparently the guy tried to hijack the whole forum.
Also, he was apparently urging people to follow him and the police afterwards to make sure they didn’t kill him. That probably would have been excessive.
Tzzzzzzzzzzzzt!
UPDATE 2:
BTW, thank your many gods this happened with a Democrat speaker with the amount of national attention this is getting.
Maybe my sympathy meter is broken, because I can even have Christian sympathy for a terrorist blowing himself up with his own mortar, but I just don’t see it for this guy. He was so over the top the whole time that I didn’t buy his “cries of pain.” Thus I disagree a bit with Dean Barnett (and I also don’t think Kerry could have done anything better than stay back and keep quiet — like he did), but I agree its way past time Democrats had to answer to the Twoofer idiocy they’ve bred and hopefully this incident will help that happen.
Help, help, I’m being repressed!!
Likely the only reason he was stopped from his ranting is because the speaker was a democrat. Remember, the moonbats usually disrupt Conservative speakers (especially at colleges) with impunity.
The sheer chaos that is erupting in the dumocrat party should be a serious warning to them. They are now routinely attacking their own. Instead of taking heed, though, it will only strengthen their monkey-faced resolve and make them fling the poo even more fiercely in random directions.
Sad, really…
Man, young people sure are annoying these days.
And we shall call him… Dennis.
Ah, nothing like the tz-tz-tz-tz-tz sound of a Taser® in the morning! I love how the kid is screaming “HEEEELP! HEEEELP!” and everyone else is sitting there just watching it happen.
Yeah, but what you don’t mention is Kerry’s eagerness to answer “this very important question”, i.e. Bush’s possible impeachment. I bet he would’ve risked a Taser jolt himself if he thought there was a Purple Heart in it. Then again, he could just claim one for the paper cut he got shuffling his notes…
Total non event. Dumb kid caused a scene in close proximity to a sitting US Senator, of COURSE he got tasered.
Whatever. They need to start passing out cyanide tablets at political conventions. Conservative and liberal. Don’t these people watch football??
Hey, yeah this guy was a retard, but why attack Kerry (Then again, he could just claim one for the paper cut he got shuffling his notes…) over his wounds in the war? WTF tdoes that have to do with this lunatic getting tasered? He served honorably in vietnam, unlike draft dodger/iraqi killer Bush. You call them moonbats, well you are loonbats. Just look at your babe of the month?! “She” is a man with a gun.
I don’t know if its true, but supposedly Tazers don’t actually hurt..
Jean Reno is the only bad-ass frenchman, of that you’re correct.
SarahK’s gonna whoop some ass.
When the base of your party is so deranged that you have to tase them, you have a problem….
And “youarenuts” is just mad because the numerous taserings he’s received for being a Kos-sucker have caused permanent brain damage. The smaller the brain the greater the damage, so his brain is probably a sand grain-sized chunk of charcoal by now.
If anyone was worried about Mr. Meyer, I wouldn’t shed too many tears. I think because of this stunt he’ll be embraced by the left, and afforded all the glittering jewels that come with such accolades.
Those big tough-guy cops were right to be scared. He had a book in his hands when they were straight up in the air and he was walking away.
If they let him walk out of there with that book, then someone else might read it and get ideas.
Then the terrorists really will have won.
That guy in the orange shirt has the right idea. It’s funny when someone gets tortured 5 feet from you, right? So why not laugh?
You should read the comments posted here. Beat up the pigs, fight the cops, police state, stolen elections, etc. Oh, and the anti-Kerry comments from those who supported him previously show who those monkeys will fling their poo at anyone who doesn’t walk in lock step with the lunatics on the left.
*who=how
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hopefully the student involved learned an important lesson.
Get real, clown. The only thing to learn from this is that cops are in it because the power makes them feel tough and that losers like you will support anyone more powerful than them because it makes you feel tough.
The speaker was a deluded commie, but we still live in America, dammit. If you want to beat up dissidents, move to Iran. He was on his way out the door and making some noise, that’s it. Or do you want to shock this guy on his nuts because he goes over his alloted time?
http://granitegrok.com/pix/question%20by%20Rockwell.jpg
How do you feel about the Browns up in NH? Are they going to “learn a lesson”?
What about Vicki Weaver? Did she learn a lesson?
[You sound a bit crazed and irrational. Someone should shock you in the nads until you calm down. -Ed.]
I watch Cops (and America’s Most Wanted) faithfully every Saturday, and I’ve never seen anyone on there get tazered and make as much noise as this guy did. It was almost comical.
And Frenchness not withstanding, I heart Jean Reno.
kyb, the derelicts on Cops are drunk, high, or brawling. This fool had a 250 lb guy sitting on his back and another on his legs. There’s no way for him to get away.
It’s textbook excessive force and extremely unprofessional. Using a tazer or pepper spray to get an already subdued subject to be compliant is asking for a lawsuit.
I love this site, and the blog, but in my most humble of all opinions, I totally disagree with the prevailing opinon on this one. I am a student at the University of Florida. I would have attended this event, but classes come before speeches. This kid is kinda wacky in his views…ok, very wacky. I debated Andrew on the Plaza of the Americas on 9/11; he is a “truther”, and I disagree. Although hes perhaps overly passionate about his opinions (ie little vocal and argumentative), the UFPD went WAY overboard on this one. I totally agree that he should not have tried to pull away from the cops, but he wasn’t exactly throwing punches. What’s more, once 5 cops were on top of him, tasering him was just too much. He’s kinda out there, as I said, but he’s not violent. What’s the next step? Back in the 60’s students used to occupy college administrations; if we take over Criser Hall, should be expect to be shot? If we protest again, should we expect tear gas to be shot into the crowd? These UFPD cops are (taser) trigger happy, and quite frankly, unpredictable.
I understand that some of you folks are very gung-ho about Andrew being tazed, and that’s fine. You probably don’t attend class across the street from the auditorium where this took place, but I do. Im a conservative republican on campus, with what could be seen as unpopular and “radical” opinions myself, should I expect to be shocked into submission next time I rock the boat? Lastly, my unversity has now been embarassed and shamed by the actions of these “cops”. Its infuriating to realize that our alma mater has been disgraced by the actions of people who could never study here, merely work here. If you think that smacks of elitism, too bad. If you are a Gator, you know its right.
[Should you expect to be shocked into submission next time you rock the boat? You mean disrupt an event and resist arrest? Yes, if you do that, I wouldn’t be shocked if that happens — pardon the pun. -Ed.]
It would have been even more humorous if a big 6’8″, 300 lb. security guard had picked the kid up and walked out with him flailing and screaming over his shoulder.
security_guard: in fact, a very large man can be seen in the video picking him up and carrying him to the back of the auditorium, still flailing and yelling for what can only be described as a full audience uprising against the police.
G8r: i understand that your vantage point colors your opinion, but i doubt you’d be dumb enough to struggle against a group of cops when asked to leave, as this clown did.
when a suspect won’t submit to conventional restraint, as it’s clear this moron refused to do, taser his ass. whatever it takes to get through the thick mush of grey matter that functions, however minimally, as a brain.
people like this need to learn several key lessons from this :
1. freedom of speech is not freedom of disruptive behavior
2. when the police politely, yet firmly, try to usher you to the door, go. keep shouting if you want, but move in the direction indicated by the guy w/ the badge.
3. cops have a very difficult job. don’t piss them off or give them reason to believe you’re high on pcp.
4. when people start clapping because the cops are removing you from a public forum, realize your attempts to “inform people” might just be pissing them off.
5. tasering hippies is funny.
Isn’t it part of TASER training to get zapped by one? Real thugs pound your face in and use the taser to bring you around for a second helping.
The job of a law enforcment officer or even just a security guard is to get the situation under control with minimal risk of injury to anyone involved and face the incident review board later on. Updates to follow, yes?
Maybe the uniforms over-reacted (they probably acted at the direction of the event staff) but if this is the new “Kent State” I’m yawnin’ over here.
Editor,
I get where you’re coming from, and I agree to a point. However, I think that 5 cops were sufficient to control this student. The problem with what happened is exactly what we’re seeing now: I got out of class at 11, and have seen this clip on FNC, CNN and all over the freakin’ net. If he’s disturbing the event, then definately take him outside, detain him, whatever. Tasering him is overkill. They don’t tazer people at protests, they didnt taze the nuts at the Petraeus hearing, they shouldn’t have tazerd this kid. Believe you me, campus is boiling over this… check out
http://www.Alligator.org
In all fairness, IF i ever rock the boat, and IF i get tazed, I promise you guys will get the footage first 😀
“The lesson” is this:
When you decide to take on “the man” you had better pull up your socks and bring it, bitch. You don’t claim to be the voice of the rebellion and then flop on the floor crying, “don’t hurt me, bro!” when the shit starts.
(extra credit)
You live in a country where you can legally stand on a street corner and hand out pamphlets and try to persuade others to your cause through reasoned discourse. You have to at least try that before you decide to take on “the man.”
John Kerry? Florida? – ’nuff said.
[ owie, owie, owie! lol. ]
heh heh.
that is pretty funny.
snicker
Michelle Malkin has an Email posted from a student who was there, and paints a bit of a different picture than the video does. In other words, the whole story. He jumped the line to the microphone, ranting about waiting in line, and proceeded to act like an ass. This guy apparently has a reputation for being a jerk to get attention.
If you play with fire, don’t cry when you get burned, silly pansy.
The kid was not leaving, he was being carried away and fighting with the cops. If he had left when ordered, he wouldn’t have gotten tasered.
If he had been patient and conducted himself in a civil manner (instead of like a moonbat liberal) like everyone else there, he would not have been handled at all.
Long story short – idiot brought it on himself. And I will laugh if it pisses off every cannibal in the congo, liberla in San Fran, and islamic radical in Dearbornistan.
Just try and stop me!
Hooray! Trolls are back!
If getting tazed for being an obnoxious ‘tard is the worst thing that happens to that guy, then he’s going to be OK. When I was younger & used to fight all the time and generally cause trouble, police intervention wasn’t as gentle as getting a jolt of electricity. I’d been hit, maced, arrested, had guns drawn on me, derided, and so on. It wasn’t fun, but hey, you get what you give.
And that’s what I got. It’s not as though they just decided to attack me for no reason. Here’s a newsflash for all you liberal crybabies; there are consequences for acting the fool! At least, there should be. Loudmouths & flag shitters don’t get much police resistance at 9/11 memorials or Conservative events, so who is it that’s being repressed? If you said “liberals”, then you need some coffee to clear up the marijuana haze.
Troop supporters and true patriots don’t act like that, but organizers of memorials and Conservative speakers get harangued at every turn, yet no one is quelling the liberal maniacs who invariably show up & act in the most reprehensible manner that, had they individually acted that way on a street corner, the authorities would surely throw a net over them & take them in for a mental evaluation.
I might remind you that the police (like so many other agencies and institutions where it’s actually detrimental to society) are “organized” as unions, which are socialist & evil, so what now? Is it the evil jack-booted police thugs, or socialist law enforcers who take action at a liberal speaking engagement? Do you hate the police because they’re a tool of the coming police state, or are they the example of how the proletariat labor union should operate?
Seems like a conundrum for liberals.
This could be the start of something great… but it won’t. The university officials will quickly sack the guards/cops and send the wrong message.
But in a more perfect world the President of the University would grab a microphone and say something like, “This event marks the start of a return to civilized behaviour on this campus. No more will every public event be taken over by the lunatic fringe. When security tells you to leave, you leave or expect to get tasered and arrested. The right of free speech doesn’t mean every nutjob out there can take over an event. If you want to rant, get your own microphone.”
If Ronald Reagan had been on that stage, he would have boomed, “Hey! I paid for that microphone!” And the kid would have shut up and sat down.
I wonder what Fred Thompson would have done?
The security planners for the Dem National Convention are currently on a crying jag. They will have an arena full of train wrecks just like this guy. They are planning on installing a grid on the entire floor so they can just zap them all at once but pricing for that many carbon offsets is a sticking point.
The Kent State reference brings back one of my favorite memories. It was 1982, and I was a long-haired metal kid/Reagan Youth in NYC’s Hunter College. Our PoliSci professor, who claimed to be a Republican but voted for John Anderson, asked the class to name some of their heroes of The Sixties. After a nauseating litany of the usual suspects, I shot my hand up.
“The Ohio National Guard!” I said.
“First of all, that was 1970. Secondly, I would like you to leave my class right now,” said Prof. Pantywaist. I never returned and got an F.
The funniest thing was having kids come up to me for weeks afterwards saying “Dude, I can’t believe he threw you out for picking the wrong year…”
1) When I was a kid, schoolyard fights were common. They were a good thing. They taught you that there were times you should be humble, learn to shut your mouth, respect others…or you might get punched in the mouth. Then came Liberals.
Today, punks like this idiot never learned the valuable lesson that if you insult someone’s wife you will get punched. That if you intentionally ruin someone else’s day you may pay a consequence. If you think your own idiotic views are so much more important than everyone else in the room you may get your ass beat…by the cops or by others in the room. Someday, men will be men again. Things will be settled in five minutes out back and everyone will be friends. But until then, there will be whiny (HELP!), Liberal, sandal-wearing, self-centered jackasses like this little fool that thinks all differences of opinion will be settled by lawyers with his daddy’s money. Screw him.
2) Loved how the man who wanted to be a world leader couldn’t take any control whatsoever of this situation.
This made my day. I’m bookmarking it so whenever I get down, frustrated at the left or just need a pick me up, I can watch an object lesson in actions actually having consequences.
I love this, I wish I would have joined this earlier, but I was busy on another website saying that this kid needs to know that there are consiquences for actions
I like the link to dailykos saying that the cops were right!!!!
From the comments:
in fact, a very large man can be seen in the video picking him up and carrying him to the back of the auditorium, still flailing and yelling for what can only be described as a full audience uprising against the police.
Maybe they learned a little something from Ron Paul.
I wonder what Fred Thompson would have done?
You don’t want to know. Oh you do not…want…to know.
I really think the saddest part of all of this is that the little “fool” will probably end up splitting heaven knows how much with some lawyer by suing the school and winning. (Ever think it might have been staged ? Right or wrong doesn’t even enter into the question, anymore…)
The Pussification of the USA
-time outs
-bicycle helmets
-no spanking
-medals for all participants
-no cut rules in sports
I just hope I’m dead before these entitlement-happy pussies are responsible for taking care of me.
Can you imagine these little twerps playing full contact sandlot football, nowadays. (Other than not being able to handle it… Some “concerned parent”/ neighborhood busybody would probably call the police on them.)
I can remember the broken collar bone from those sandlot days… or at least the reseting of said bone… ****CRACK!**** This twerp got exactly what he deserved. I have police buddies that watched this video and asked why it took the cops so long for the first shot! There is another side of the story on DailyKos that is a first hand witness account. It is very interesting
As someone who trains law enforcement types– including SWAT and riot control stuff– let me just say that Police Officers do not have the time or luxury to decide just exactly how harmless someone’s motives might be.
When a nutjob resists instructions from law enforcement– and especially when same said lunatic physically resists– the Officers are trained to take immediate and overwhelming action. This absolutely and positively saves more Officers’ AND suspects’ lives than anything else.
Every department has its own protocols on use and escalation of force. I can only laugh at all the “educated” people who are judging the actions and decisions of the Officers involved in this incident. Until you take your ass through a POST academy and then put in time on the street with real-life bad guys, you have no voice in such matters… and even if you have done these things, you do not know that particular organizations operational directives. Not to mention if you do have this type of experience, then you are very (VERY) unlikely to sit in judgment of kindred souls.
Reality can be somewhat harsh, which often calls for dedicated men (and women) to respond harshly… and I know that upsets the sensibilities of some of our fellow citizens. Sorry about that, but you still need to STFU with your uninformed judgments and opinions.
No, Devil_Dog, we DON’T have to STFU just because you’re a “cop.” Go read the constitution and take it to bed with you every night for a week.
G8r, I get your point, and I realize I’m not taking away from your comment what you’d want me to – but, as a matter of fact, when I first saw this video a few hours ago, the thought that went through my head was “the only way this could be any better is if he were a truther.”
You just made my day.
(In my defense, I just got finished debating a pretty annoying and anti-semetic group of them yesterday http://www.thecrimson.com/article.aspx?ref=519498 did you know that “five Israeli spies disguised as moving men were arrested after being reported videotaping and celebrating while watching the towers fall?” And “Zionists were quite happy with Hitler’s views about racial purity, because many of them felt that Jews all belonged in a Jewish state?” No really.)
I watched that video from someone else’s perspective over a DKos, and at the end the liberal reactionaries wasted no time in shouting “Police brutality! Rodney King! Police brutality! Rodney King!”. Never mind that the kid shouting it sounded like he JUST finished puberty & probably was still suckling on his mothers saggy, hairy breast when the King incident took place.
That’d be like me shouting about the attempted assassination of Reagan (PBUH). Sure, I was around when it happened, but I was really too young to realize the implications of it. For me to shout about it now as though it had some profound effect on me at the time would be ludicrous. But that never stops them; they partied like rock stars when Reagan (PBUH) died.
Ha ha ha ha! Look at him get all tasered!
The kid should have been carrying a powerful gun and shot to death the police officers and John Kerry. Of course, he would have been shot to death by other police, but it would still be worth it.
But I’ve been sleeping with the Constitution for years, Security Guard… and it keeps telling me that ill-informed, idiotic, disruptive, insane, physically aggressive, smelly, public-menace-type moonbats definitely should STFU.
I extrapolated that from the whole “domestic tranquility” thing.
Do you think my interpretation is off…?
Heh. I don’t know about you, D-D, but I’ve got pillowcases with the Constitution printed on them. Does that count?
Hey WAL-
I went to the “Crimson”, but it wouldn’t let me post. Here’s what I wanted to post there:
//What I’ve gathered so far, from reading these really illuminated comments, is that:
1. Everything is Bush’s fault, unless it was the evil Jews. Or both. Or Bush is secretly a Jew.
2. Several hundred thousand pounds of metal & highly combustible fuel traveling at a high rate of speed couldn’t possibly cause a large building full of combustibles to suffer catastrophic structural damage, thereby causing it to eventually collapse.
3. Some well-placed explosive charges that were strategically placed & timed or det cord-rigged to “go off” precisely as an airplane hit- without anyone noticing the thousands of of feet of det cord, signal receivers, or noticing the explosives themselves (they would’ve been rather conspicuous; you would need a LOT of explosive charges, and they aren’t small) could cause structural failure, but only a while after the airplane impact/explosive charge combo event- instead of the collapse being nearly instantaneous (like it is when large old buildings are implosion demolished). Twice… and no one noticing, in the days prior to 9/11, anyone installing explosives, as it takes a while to get strategic charges in place, since they knew beforehand where the planes were going to hit & all.
I feel so illuminated now!//
Is it evil to laugh at this guy or what? Stupid moron this guy is
“Some well-placed explosive charges that were strategically placed & timed or det cord-rigged to “go off” precisely as an airplane hit- without anyone noticing . . .”
See, Alan, you’d think a normal person would find that odd. But here’s where Truthers offer special insight: (let me predict the response you’re going to get) who holds the lease on the World Trade Center? Lawrence Silverstein. And what kind of last name is Silverstein? Jooish! So he had some connection to the five Mossad spies who were disguised as moving men and was able to covertly install everything when no one was looking. (You think I’m kidding – I give you 1:1 odds that the response you get is somewhere in the ballpark of this.) To make it even more interesting I’m pretty sure a couple of these guys are actual Harvard grads and not just trolls who wandered over there.
These people have gone from the point where I was just annoyed by them to the point where I really enjoy seeing one of them get tasered.
Devil_Dog: Painting with a broad brush is easy and funny. But…one’s man’s “ill-informed opinion” is another person’s “moral code” and the two are sometimes equally alleged in politics. Neither one loses their First Amendment rights in our system, however. Instead, we engage each other with art of pursuasion which is definitely more diffucult – and demanding – than “STFU.”
SG: Not sure what you meant by the “moral code” thing… I hope you weren’t implying that tasered-boy should have been taken seriously. His “moral code” has a definite glitch in it. With luck, the electrical current (probably alternating, which Taser, Inc. uses) he received will help erase that glitch.
First Amendment–and many other– rights end when you ignore the cops’ commands. If you don’t like that, then elect someone who will fire the cops. Until you do, they are the law.
That whole conceptual law and order system works out very well in our society– breaking down only when “oppressed” people like tasered-boy get their urges and itches to be famous.
My original point was that those Officers were the ones on the line there, and anyone who judges them had better be very, very careful. Slinging around accusations about losses of First Amendment rights is nothing more than silly kerfuffle and background noise.
Usually, the people slinging said accusations are woefully ignorant of exactly what the First Amendment actually says. Let me assure you that tasered-boy’s disruptive behavior is not covered by the FA.
I realize that some (perhaps you, SG) like to think that the police departments in our country are part of some vast-right-wing conspiracy to instill a police state and take away all of our Barbra Streisand records… but they are actually regular men and women who just want to go home at night… and they are not about to let down their guard because the perpetrator happens to be a liberal with some strong feelings and a glitchy moral code.
I can use a fine brush, too… and I hope you will file this comment under “persuasion.”
“Reality can be somewhat harsh, which often calls for dedicated men (and women) to respond harshly… and I know that upsets the sensibilities of some of our fellow citizens. Sorry about that, but you still need to STFU with your uninformed judgments and opinions.” -Devil_Dog
I’ll try to be pursuasive one more time. You and I might agree on the details of the case, but in no way do I agree with you on your last sentence above, either on this forum or in public. You either uphold the First Amendment or you do not.
I, too, shall try once more to be persuasive…
I will assume you are referring to the First Amendment rights of those who would demean these Police Officers– because you could not possibly be referring to the First Amendment rights of tasered-boy, who sacrificed his by defying law enforcement officers.
So, then… this is very similar to the war protesters who constantly fling casual accusations and vile insults at the very military that protects their right to do so.
The First Amendment does not protect libel or slander– which often come from ill-informed accusations and insults.
Unfortunately, the anti’s often do this with impunity because the good guys are too busy and too good to get down in the mud with them.
I strongly wish that more Police Officers would file libel/slander cases against the moonbats who constantly attack them– usually in public and with great assistance from the media. Then, maybe we could begin to return to some sense of civility and personal responsibility in this country.
Words do matter. With our First Amendment rights comes great responsibility. Just because someone “feels” that these Police Officers used excessive force (a very serious charge, by the way), that does not permit them to publicly smear the Officers before any investigation has been done.
Your idea of the First Amendment seems to entail the acceptability of utter and complete, unresponsible libel, slander, and chaos simply for the sake of a “moral code.” Is that an accurate assessment?
Should there be no civility…? No limits or rules on “free speech?”
Before you answer and just so you know: the Supreme Court has ruled many, many times in favor of such limits. That is what separates us from any number of third-world dictatorships and “socialist peoples’ paradises.”
Well… that and the NFL.
whenever a crazy lib gets dragged off and tasered, an angel gets its wings.
No, dear boy… my words imply that it is high time liberal retards stopped impuning our military and police and then hiding like children behind the very flag and constitution that they hate.
If you can’t see that my point was that those who protect us deserve our protection back, then you are a sad case, indeed. Wild accusations of very serious charges are not– and should never be– protected speech. You obviously learned nothing from Haditha and the traitorous john murtha. Perhaps you think it esoterically refined and oh-so chic to defend murtha as well as Tasered-boy…?
I did try to explain to you that there is no implicit right to say anything and everything one feels like saying. I’m very sorry you can’t understand that.
As far as “LTFU”… whenever I do, all I hear are anti’s howling like crazed monkeys about our evil country and our evil police and our evil military. I guess you enjoy those sounds… I guess they reinforce your “moral code”… but I and the vast majority of Americans are sick and tired of it.
By the way, I know it made you feel all empowered and stuff to drop that F-bomb… but it really just shows how weak your position really is. Expletives are truly the last refuge of a poor debater.
Hasta, Amigo… don’t forget to lock the doors and windows so the police state doesn’t get you.
Well, Devil_Dog, here’s the way it stands. YOU started by advocating that the people here who questioned the “police” (actually campus security guards) actions in the above case simply “STFU.”
I advocated that you would be better served by saying “LTFU.”
I have the feeling you will have the last say on this subject! 🙂
haha! that was a better comedy than anything on tv
Point of order: you may, indeed, be a “Security Guard,” but the people who arrested (and tasered) Tasered-boy are Police Officers (at least as described in every single story I have read on the subject). Not that it matters in the context of our discussion… security guards are officials charged with public protection and I would feel the same way about them. It does up the ante, though, when a person physically resists a sworn law enforcement officer.
I don’t know whether or not this is the “last say” on the subject, but I will simply reiterate that uninformed– and often slanderous/libelous– exclamations that are made out of strong “feelings” are a bane more than a boon to our society. Reckless charges of “police brutality” are flung around so casually–and often with complete impunity– these days… and that is disgusting. It just shows how far we’ve fallen as a society that we are always ready to attack the people and institutions that keep us safe.
Perhaps I am overly sensitive on this subject… but I still say if everyone would just STFU until they knew what they were talking about, then we would be in a far better place as a nation.
SG, STFU. It’s the first step you must take in order to listen. Tell you what, go to a court room and disrupt a judge and afterwards tell us how well your theory that the Constitution protects your freedom not to STFU. After all, isn’t the judge a representative of the government, and you can speak out against the government anytime you want, right?
DD, I made the same comments, as you did about the cops decision timeline, on another lib site.
The kid was not making his way to the door. Yeah, 5 officers should have been able to physically restrain the kid, but it doesn’t appear they were successful. If I and 4 of my buddies can’t restrain a person, I don’t think, “well maybe he just wants to talk about it. I should LTFU, and offer him a Latte.”. I think “I’m about to lose control of the situation if I don’t act soon”.
Hey G8r, I’m glad you had time to get to know Andrew Meyer. The officers didn’t have that opportunity. I only got to see a few moments of Andrew Meyer, and he seems to have a problem with order. I have a question though, you say the UFPD cops are trigger happy with tasers? How many tasers incidents have occurred in Gainesville?
I know this seems like a tragic event, have you considered transferring to VTech? That might seem glib, but if the officers are not trigger happy, do you want to wait and see if Andrew Meyer is? Again, you know him (or think you do), they did not. Today, he is embarrassed, the campus is embarrassed, John Kerry is embarrassed, but Andrew is not shot and doesn’t need hospitalization. Your campus is not mourning anyone’s death. Everyone will get over it.
Bravo and amen, Leland– especially to your final paragraph.
Wish I had said that.
I thought there was excessive force in as far as they went about it, grabbing someone by the shoulder is a major startling effect and having the cops stand right behind him before doing so was a bit much, and it would have made more sense to put his hands up and cuff them together so that he couldn’t move when they were moving him out.