On Veterans Day we gather (mentally, at least) to honor those among us who served in defense of our country. But in a larger sense, our thoughts and words provide faint honor; the brave men, living and dead, who fought on behalf of our country have honored themselves far beyond our poor power to add or detract.
History shows that some wars are more noble than others. This fact is generally lost upon those fighting; their job is not to question the nobility of the cause but rather to do their duty. The fundamental nobility of the cause does nothing to add or detract from the nobility of the duty done and the sacrifices made by our soldiers. It is that duty and those sacrifices we honor today.
Rather it is for the rest of us and for the historians to question the nobility of the cause for which we have sent our young people off to fight and die. After all, they are fighting for us, in our name, for our country. In that sense we, all of us, have sent them off to fight and die.
The fact that our involvement in Viet Nam was immoral and in retrospect a colossal blunder both politically and militarily in no way devalues the service of those who fought and died there. Those soldiers were simply doing their job. The fundamental immorality of the cause however puts their deaths on the conscience of all of us (or at least those of us with a conscience).
In like manner, history will show that our involvement in Iraq was based a preconceived plot hatched among the neocons in the White House, none of whom had actually served in the military themselves. It was a preconceived war looking for a cause, and though 9/11 had nothing to do with Iraq, it provided the people in the White House with the cause they needed. Through trumped up “intelligence” the Bush team justified going to war; who cares who else believed the incorrect justification for going into Iraq, the blood is on their hands too. The bottom line is that the plot was hatched inside the White House.
Now 2065 of our young men and women have died over there, more die each week. Over 15,000 have been permanently disabled in the war. The result of the war thus far leads to the inevitable conclusion that the world is far less safe as a result of the operation.
This is in no way to devalue the duty and sacrifice of our young people fighting in Iraq, we should honor them, and we must.
But by simply mouthing empty words in praise of those fighting for us and waving our flags harder without understanding for whom they are fighting and why, we don’t honor them, we dishonor them. They fight for us, they fight in our name, and they fight for our country.
The light of history will show that the war in Iraq was begun on false pretenses and was therefore fundamentally immoral. We will be forced to acknowledge that the blood of the dead is on the hands of those in the White House who hatched the plan and who sold it to their countrymen as a response to 9/11.
By denying ourselves this fundamental truth we must acknowledge that we’re at fault too. Our freedoms extend…they MUST extend…to the right, duty and obligation of the citizens to hold accountable those who wage an immoral war in our names.
These are our soldiers, living and dead. They fought for us. As our soldiers their blood is on our hands, their deaths and injuries on our conscience, all of us. Can you look yourself in the mirror and be certain that you have done right by them? Should they expect any less?
What a duche he couldn’t even be topical and post his spam on one of the verterans day posts. I say we put the poor bastard out of his missery. Go ahead and shoot him.
I had a hard time translating, but I thought it worked out to:
“Kill me, I’m Phil
I’ve had my fill
Of being a dunce.
Kill me, this once.
Free me of being a Liberal
My cranium isn’t cerebral.
Kill me.
Please…”
Phil, when 3000 people died on a single day on 9/11, all people like you could do is compare that statistic to car accidents.
Now, to further your own political goals, you use our troops for political gain, while calling them Nazis behind their backs.
Phil, I hate you. Die.
Foolish Phil,
Go check out Harvey’s site. Read it and weep, little man. http://badexample.mu.nu/#133235 – Flips Coin esp. the ‘Bush Didn’t Lie’ part.
Cordially,
LadyGunn, Proud American
Apparently Phil’s survival is vital and the nation’s survival is immoral.
Give yourself a medal, Phil. And stab extra hard.
You know nothing of our enemies’ capabilities and intentions, and if you could return to Qaddafi his nuclear weapons program, you would.
You support genocide, Phil. I hope your mother is proud of you.
What the wonderfully dense SuperMuckadoo forgot to mention was that the first troops were sent to Vietnam on the order of the Lefty Demigod JFK, and the furthered by Johnson.
Your party sent troops in, then hamstrung them with asinine rules of engagement basically making them sitting ducks. But despite your party’s bullst, they still fought valiantly. If the politicians had stayed the hell out of it, Vietnam would be free from tip to top.
So put that in your pipe and smoke it.
Additionally, the US is kicking ass, but no longer taking names because it was wasting too many reams of paper. This cause is Just regardless of how badly the intelligence community fked up. And when Iraq is a thriving democracy with commerce and begins to prosper above the other nations in the Arab League, I can force feed you you f**king words with a smile on my face and a bitch slap in my pocket just for you. And that will just be embarrasing, because getting your ass handed to you by a cripple has got to sting.
“BE ORNERY ROMANS!”
I always wondered what FrankJ said at the end. I always thought it was in Japanese so that is why I couldn’t understand it.
But now I know…
Oh, and as for Phil, I just love it (in a sarcastic sense) when the libs cry their crocodile tears over our troops. While we mourn the loss of all of our troops, they like to use the numbers for their political gain.
Read the Gettysburg address and you’ll see Phil trying to sound like our First Republican President. You know, the one who freed the black slaves and held the Union together. Only Lincoln managed to say more with less.
On Veterans Day we gather (mentally, at least) to honor those among us who served in defense of our country. But in a larger sense, our thoughts and words provide faint honor; the brave men, living and dead, who fought on behalf of our country have honored themselves far beyond our poor power to add or detract.
History shows that some wars are more noble than others. This fact is generally lost upon those fighting; their job is not to question the nobility of the cause but rather to do their duty. The fundamental nobility of the cause does nothing to add or detract from the nobility of the duty done and the sacrifices made by our soldiers. It is that duty and those sacrifices we honor today.
Rather it is for the rest of us and for the historians to question the nobility of the cause for which we have sent our young people off to fight and die. After all, they are fighting for us, in our name, for our country. In that sense we, all of us, have sent them off to fight and die.
The fact that our involvement in Viet Nam was immoral and in retrospect a colossal blunder both politically and militarily in no way devalues the service of those who fought and died there. Those soldiers were simply doing their job. The fundamental immorality of the cause however puts their deaths on the conscience of all of us (or at least those of us with a conscience).
In like manner, history will show that our involvement in Iraq was based a preconceived plot hatched among the neocons in the White House, none of whom had actually served in the military themselves. It was a preconceived war looking for a cause, and though 9/11 had nothing to do with Iraq, it provided the people in the White House with the cause they needed. Through trumped up “intelligence” the Bush team justified going to war; who cares who else believed the incorrect justification for going into Iraq, the blood is on their hands too. The bottom line is that the plot was hatched inside the White House.
Now 2065 of our young men and women have died over there, more die each week. Over 15,000 have been permanently disabled in the war. The result of the war thus far leads to the inevitable conclusion that the world is far less safe as a result of the operation.
This is in no way to devalue the duty and sacrifice of our young people fighting in Iraq, we should honor them, and we must.
But by simply mouthing empty words in praise of those fighting for us and waving our flags harder without understanding for whom they are fighting and why, we don’t honor them, we dishonor them. They fight for us, they fight in our name, and they fight for our country.
The light of history will show that the war in Iraq was begun on false pretenses and was therefore fundamentally immoral. We will be forced to acknowledge that the blood of the dead is on the hands of those in the White House who hatched the plan and who sold it to their countrymen as a response to 9/11.
By denying ourselves this fundamental truth we must acknowledge that we’re at fault too. Our freedoms extend…they MUST extend…to the right, duty and obligation of the citizens to hold accountable those who wage an immoral war in our names.
These are our soldiers, living and dead. They fought for us. As our soldiers their blood is on our hands, their deaths and injuries on our conscience, all of us. Can you look yourself in the mirror and be certain that you have done right by them? Should they expect any less?
First!
(of non-spam posts)
Troooolllll! Can I shoot him? Please?!
Beat oatmeal, robots!
Snamor yrenro eb!
See, that’s Dutch for, “I think my cat is on fire!!”
I second the movement to have SeanS shoot the troll. All in favor?
What a duche he couldn’t even be topical and post his spam on one of the verterans day posts. I say we put the poor bastard out of his missery. Go ahead and shoot him.
i thought it ws “be honorable ronin”
I had a hard time translating, but I thought it worked out to:
“Kill me, I’m Phil
I’ve had my fill
Of being a dunce.
Kill me, this once.
Free me of being a Liberal
My cranium isn’t cerebral.
Kill me.
Please…”
Phil? Hey Mr. Donahue, how have you been? Did you forget to take your meds again?
Phil, when 3000 people died on a single day on 9/11, all people like you could do is compare that statistic to car accidents.
Now, to further your own political goals, you use our troops for political gain, while calling them Nazis behind their backs.
Phil, I hate you. Die.
Foolish Phil,
Go check out Harvey’s site. Read it and weep, little man.
http://badexample.mu.nu/#133235 – Flips Coin esp. the ‘Bush Didn’t Lie’ part.
Cordially,
LadyGunn, Proud American
Apparently Phil’s survival is vital and the nation’s survival is immoral.
Give yourself a medal, Phil. And stab extra hard.
You know nothing of our enemies’ capabilities and intentions, and if you could return to Qaddafi his nuclear weapons program, you would.
You support genocide, Phil. I hope your mother is proud of you.
BTW, nice twist on ronin, Sarahk.
Baby, you are sad…
GREAT… now my comment looks STUPID! Way to go you guys…. “Dang, can’t even bash a pervert these days”
LOL
What the wonderfully dense SuperMuckadoo forgot to mention was that the first troops were sent to Vietnam on the order of the Lefty Demigod JFK, and the furthered by Johnson.
Your party sent troops in, then hamstrung them with asinine rules of engagement basically making them sitting ducks. But despite your party’s bullst, they still fought valiantly. If the politicians had stayed the hell out of it, Vietnam would be free from tip to top.
So put that in your pipe and smoke it.
Additionally, the US is kicking ass, but no longer taking names because it was wasting too many reams of paper. This cause is Just regardless of how badly the intelligence community fked up. And when Iraq is a thriving democracy with commerce and begins to prosper above the other nations in the Arab League, I can force feed you you f**king words with a smile on my face and a bitch slap in my pocket just for you. And that will just be embarrasing, because getting your ass handed to you by a cripple has got to sting.
“BE ORNERY ROMANS!”
I always wondered what FrankJ said at the end. I always thought it was in Japanese so that is why I couldn’t understand it.
But now I know…
Oh, and as for Phil, I just love it (in a sarcastic sense) when the libs cry their crocodile tears over our troops. While we mourn the loss of all of our troops, they like to use the numbers for their political gain.
Read the Gettysburg address and you’ll see Phil trying to sound like our First Republican President. You know, the one who freed the black slaves and held the Union together. Only Lincoln managed to say more with less.
I bet you Phil isn’t his real name its probably Fahad or Saddam or Abdul or something Arabic.