Just do it.
This interview really tells us why things are such a mess in Iraq while at the same time showing us that there is something worth fighting for.
Hopefully someone can help this Iraqi interpreter in the interview get to America; he sounds like an American to me. And you heart has to break when you read this part:
MJT: What does [your son] want to do when he grows up?
Hammer: He wants to be an American soldier. He has his chair in his room with an American flag on it. Has a toy M-4. He has a little uniform that I got at the P/X.
When he sees Saddam he curses Saddam. I never told him to do that. He does this himself. When he holds his toy gun he says he will kill the insurgents. He wants to go to Disneyland. His hero is Arnold Schwartznegger — not the Terminator, but Arnold Schwartznegger. He has all his movies.
Anyway, there is a lot of insight from this one Iraqi. Once again, go read it.
(hat tip Hot Air)
it is tempting and understandable to want to bring these stand-up, great iraqis into our great country.
i have heard from numerous iraqi war vets that it is important that good, stand-up iraqis stay in iraq to support/re-build their country and serve as an example of what a patriotic iraqi SHOULD be.
Nifty.
We had this interpreter with our platoon that didn’t believe that Hooters and Chuck-E-Cheese existed. We told him all the stories and he thought they were fairy tales. HAHA, I wonder what ever happened to that guy.
Frank,
Without a doubt the most meaningful thing you’ve ever linked to on your site. Thank you for bringing that to our attention. Extra dessert for you tonight!
It saddens me that there is truth in the statement that Iran is more dependable that America as an ally to the Shia. Sad, but true due to the F***ing Demoncrats.
I particularly liked this part. Kind of has an IMAO feel to it; I wonder if he’s a reader?
MJT: Is there a solution to the problem in this country?
Hammer: Nuke Iraq.
MJT: Be serious.
Hammer: I am serious. If you screen all Iraqis, 5 million of them would be good people. Clear them out, then kill everyone else. Syria and Iran would surrender. [Laughs.]
I like his idea of fining the families of insurgents. That is clever. And probably right on. And hey, you fine a family $5000 if their son is setting up an IED, how many M16A4’s does that buy? 5? 6? 🙂
Paypal is splendid. I just gave a small amount to help this guy out. He deserves it. He’s more of an American than all the Democrats in the Congress and 90% of the Mexicans trying to get in or here illegaly.
Remember the comment I made a while back about how immigrants need to overcome adversity getting here in order to prove their worth to be Americans? The Hammer has proven it. I’d be proud to call him an American. He’d make a better citizen than 99% of the people I deal with every day who were born here.
Hammer sounds like a great guy but we have to be practical not emotional on this. For argument purposes let us assume that the surge is reducing the terror attacks. If so then how much longer can we afford to stay. What will it cost to keep the surge going for say two more years, five, ten? Highly unlikely there is anyway we can do that without raising taxes and how many Americans would support doing that? Tax cuts plus funding wars at the same time has been hard on the U.S. It isn’t worth staying if it going to ruin the U.S. economy in the process. There are plenty of sad stories all around the world where people live in dangerous areas. No one seems to give a crap about them and their kids yet we keep spending billions and billions in Iraq. Many of the arguments the right is using to keep us in Iraq are not logical. Like Hammer’s story they make emotional appeals. Hammer’s story is emotionally appealing because he clearly needs our help as do billions of other people around the world. We have to be careful not to be overcome by emotion on Iraq. We can’t afford to drain our resources for another five years in Iraq with little or no progress. It sounds cold but that’s the reality.
You also can’t just frame the Iraq War argument as “win or lose” you have to consider the long term financial implications of being there as well.
Sarcasm Man: The difference is that if we leave and the Hammer is shot with a 9mm at the base of the skull while kneeling by some death squad for cooperating with us, that’s our fault. Kind of how Saigon was our fault. If some kid in a third world country gets dies from famine or drought, thats not our fault.
We can afford to stay indefinitely. This country isn’t going bankrupt any time soon — and we sure can afford to keep an armed presence in Iraq longer than Iran can afford to wage a proxy war against us and Israel.
Don’t sugar coat your surrender position with financial considerations. The US was very very very close to being broke during WWII; should we have quit then because it was “expensive”?
DesertElephant,
As much as I would love to blame the Democrats for the Shia in Iraq seeing us as unreliable, the truth is it was Bush the Elder who caused this. After Gulf part I, the US invited (incited) them to revolt, then left them to be slaughtered by the Iraqi army. There were reliable reports of US fighter planes failing to intervene as Iraqi helicopters violated the “no fly zone” to attack Shia rebels.
Sarcasm Man,
While you make some good points, the biggest reason that Iraq is different from some of the other hard luck stories you alude to is that if we abandon Iraq, it will be more than ample evidence of American unreliability. Never underestimate the length of societal memory in places like Iraq.
Also if you want to maintain such credibility as you may have, consider remembering that since the Bush tax cuts, the federal revenues have soared to record levels in both absolute and inflation adjusted dollars. The increase in revenue DUE to the tax cuts was more than enough to cover the wars fiscal cost. That the Republican congress forgot that they were supposed to be against excess spending and instead wasted tax money like they were Teddy freakin’ Kennedy is the reason there is still a deficit, not the tax cuts.
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You are saying we are bound to Iraq now forever because of Bush’s initial decision to go in? No matter what the cost in U.S. lives and U.S. treasure? That’s an emotional bond you have to Iraq. You admitted it above. You are more concerned about a grown Iraqi man than a child suffering in some other third world country. Your feelings are blinding you and you can’t make a practical decision. We should not base our decision to spend potentially trillions of dollars on an emotional issue. If it is more practical to leave – or to stay and focus solely on killing Al Qaeda instead of rebuilding Iraq – than that’s what we should do regardless of how sad it is that someone might die.
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Not without eventually raising taxes to pay for it. Remember we have been borrowing money from China to fund the Iraq War. That’s why the U.S. dollar has already fallen well over 30% against many foreign currencies, including the Euro and British pound, since Bush took office.
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In one argument you say we can afford staying forever and then in the next you talk about the U.S. being broke? How is the Iraq War anything like WWII? Saddam is already dead and even the White House and Pentagon claim there are mostly isolated pockets of Al Qaeda left in Iraq. Why not just kill them and leave? The mission has pretty much already been accomplished. Rebuilding Iraq and trying to create a stable government (which would be a Shia led theocracy) is not even feasible without pouring in at least another trillion dollars of U.S. money.
I just don’t see the point in continuing the U.S. bloodshed and monetary expense of a major Ground War. If we leave and Iraq got out of hand later or Iran tried to take part of it we have plenty of special forces and very large bombs that should help things calm down again.
desertelephant.
Very appropiate name you have.
Your view of the world is like am Elephant in the desert….. IT DOES NOT EXIST.
k2aggie07
First of all Iraq is not World War II, and second of all Iraq is not Viet Nam.
Now that we have that cleared out let’s talk about your brilliant idea.
You propose to stay in Iraq until the U.S. goes broke or wins.
Here’s the answer for you given by 70% of the American people. WE LIVE. The when and how is beeing works out…. But the answer is WE LIVE.
Clear enough for you?
Now, if there is any consolation I would suggest that next time that you Republican Right WIngers decide to start a war, you make sure you can finish what you started. Don’t blame the American people for no longer supporting you. You had your chance 5 years of chance, and just like in real life…. we are all given a reasonable amount of time to pull up or shut up as the saying goes.
I know that Republican Right WIngers substitute victory for time, and will continue to do so forever if necessary, but some one has to stop them. The American people will in 2008.
After that you can blame the Democrats for loosing the war you could never win.
[They answer “we live”? What the hell is the question you’re asking them, crazy man? -Ed.]
Brian, thanks for the correction. My thrust was of course more towards the current media climate. They were burned once, and now the Left wants to burn them again. But you were right on about Bush Sr. Its one of the reasons I lost a boatload of respect for him. He should have let Scwartzy roll all the way to Baghdad.
Reasoning from a single instance doesn’t usually work. When you know the polls say most Iraqis want us out, it makes even less sense.
“Here’s the answer for you given by 70% of the American people. WE LIVE. The when and how is beeing works out…. But the answer is WE LIVE.”
Um, wtf, are you talking about?
Since when did this become a choice between “continue the Iraq war . . . or you and I won’t live anymore”?
Second, as expensive as this war is, the U.S. government’s budget is $2 trillion a year. The U.S. GDP is $13 trillion a year. We’d have to be sending our troops over in gold-plated tanks for this to cause the country to go broke. This is the criticism of the war I am most sympathetic to (we could have been doing other stuff with that money), but you do realize the deficit has been going down the last few years?
BTW, you also realize every poll that’s been done the last few years of the people actually in the military shows large majority supporting this thing?
“Now, if there is any consolation I would suggest that next time that you Republican Right WIngers decide to start a war, you make sure you can finish what you started.”
If you’ll freakin’ let us, we’re happy to do so.
You had your chance 5 years of chance, and just like in real life…. we are all given a reasonable amount of time to pull up or shut up as the saying goes.
future note, any war that would take more than five years isn’t worth fighting . . . like the American Revolution.
Dear Sarcasm,
Go count your gold coins. Then…
Read “Saddam’s Secrets” by Georges Sada. Our commitment to Iraq is really to the ENTIRE REGION of the Middle east and is historical in scope. The fact that you don’t think it’s worth it is the ultimate uninformed, unAmerican, unfuturistic cynicism.
Left wing reading comprehension is really terrible. Iraq is neither Vietnam or WWII. The comparison was never made.
The reason WWII nearly broke us is because we were in total war. Thats why IBM, Saginaw and Rock-ola were making M1 carbines instead of computers, power steering components and juke boxes.
The reason Vietnam is not Iraq is because in Vietnam we were actually fighting an army, not a true insurgency (at least for part of it).
The reason the Democrat retreat strategy is not like Saigon is because…oh wait. Its the same exact thing as Saigon. Right.
PS Care to look at the ratio of defense spending vs Liberal-inspired and approved entitlement spending? National Defense (ie War) – 21%. Social Security? 21%. Medicare and welfare? 12 and 13%, respectively. Other? 14%. So where does that leave us? Entitlement spending: 46% of the budget. War: 21%. Your programs are gonna bankrupt us first.
Sarcasm Man-
The major ground war was over in less than 3 weeks. The insurgency is not a “major ground war” it is what it is a low intensity conflict, read the michaels (Yon and Totten) dispatches and you may realize this.
Whether or not Iraq was the correct action before we started (with the benefit of 20/20 hindsight of course) is utterly irrelevant. Whether or not we have the will to out last the jihadi is the question, currently the long term cost of leaving is IMAO much greater than the short term cost of staying.
Gil- Time to up the meds dude.
Mightysamurai’s Amazing Beliefs:
That we have spent too much money on Iraq, but $919.1 billion on Medicare and Medicaid and is not enough.
That a five-year war in Iraq is too long, but a seven-year war to get rid of Hitler and a nine-year war to win independence from Great Britain is okay.
That too many soldiers are dying in Iraq, even though we lost more soldiers in the first hour of the Battle of Normandy than we have lost in the entire Iraq war.
SarcasmMan: I know we’re not supposed to feed the trolls, but it’s so fun to laugh at the mentally deficient. Seriously, look into a group home for yourself; I hear they have pudding-cup hour every single day, and maybe they’ll keep you from embarrassing yourself at the keyboard.
As other commenters have pointed out, tax cuts = revenue increases, every single time we’ve tried them — look it up. Soaking the rich (like your libtard allies want to do) kills the economy, which shrinks revenues. It’s the simplest of math, but tax cuts don’t let you use class warfare to garner votes: we can’t let reality impact the Dem election platform.
Also, you can make an emotion-free argument why staying in Iraq makes more sense than spending the money on other hard-luck cases. The murderers in e.g. Sudan are not trying to establish an Islamist government. If we leave Iraq, as our interpreter friend rightly points out, Iran, Syria, and probably the Saudis will carve the place up like vultures on a fresh carcass, and the region as a whole will get even worse. If we stay — if we rehabilitate the prisoners, as he says (great metaphor, BTW) — we might get a foothold of sanity in a region that’s a very real threat to our freedom and the freedom of our allies. If there’s another hard-luck case country that has the same national security implications as Iraq (e.g. Afghanistan?), well, we should be there too. Sure, it gets expensive, but we can afford it at the rate we’re making money now, and we could afford it even better if we cut some of the preposterously bloated social programs your people love so dearly. How many trillion is it worth to you to keep an Iranian suitcase nuke out of Manhattan? Having a stable, free(ish) Iraq just across the border from them will do a lot to prevent such an outcome.
All that aside, this interpreter guy is so awesome I want to start my own business just so I can sponsor his green card. I want to take him and his son out to an American baseball game — and I don’t even like baseball.
Desert Elephant said,
“It saddens me that there is truth in the statement that Iran is more dependable that America as an ally to the Shia. Sad, but true due to the F***ing Demoncrats.”
Perhaps a more relevant reason the Shia don’t consider us reliable is that we are now arming Sunni insurgents to encourage them to fight Al Qaida. The unintended concequences of this misconcieved war are spiraling out of control.
Wal
A few things about your comments.
First of all, America will not go broke, but your party will. First of all VOTERS are against this war as you found out in 2006. If you still are slow in learning, we will be happy to teach you guys another lesson in 2008.
Maibe you can’t understand it but you live in a Democracy. As such, your Republican Right WIng guys were given the time that we the American people considered was enough to pull up or shut up….. Times’s up…. Pull up… Can;t right as usual is “WE WILL”.
You see friend, Is not what you, or your shrinking crowd of war- with- no -end- followers consider that you should be given to “finish” the war as you put it. God knows you will give yourselves forever if necessary. But rather, what the rest of us and the MAJORITY in America considers is enough time .
“We will finish if you let us”
Let me tell you something; The standard refuge for the looser is the FUTURE. And the favorite words for the looser is WE WILL. No pal, like evrithing in real life we judge you by the past, and the present where you guys STINK, Not for the future, as your crowd so conveniently wants to always run when asked for accountability. What do you think? We have Amnesia, and after five years of messing things up in Iraq, you are telling us that YOU WILL win???….. The only thing I see you guys “winning” is a free ticket to retirement in 2008.
In an adult world you have a certain amount of time to produce on your promises, or loose credibility. Is not my problem if you can’t or won’t understand that. I will sertainly consider giving more time for the effort in Iraq, BUT NOT TO YOU LOOSERS.
So I tell you what. We wil give this war effort more time if you guys go out with your Idiot President and declare publically in all Networks, on prime time, to all four winds the following:
“WE ARE A BUCH OF LOOSERS THAT COULD NOT DO A DARN THING RIGHT IN IRAQ, AND THEREFORE WE ARE PASSING THE WAR EFFORT TO OTHER MORE CAPABLE PEOPLE…WE ARE VERY SORRY FOR BEEING SUCH FOOLS AND MOST APOLOGIZE TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE FOR ALL THE TROUBLE OUR STUPID IDEAS HAVE CAUSED”
But for you to tell me with a stratight face that “We will win it if you would let us” …. Man, with the pathetic record you have, you are lucky you and your crowd have not been rounded up and deported to Botswana.
Mightysamuray.
Amaising believes by Right Wing nuts:
1)That spending a trillion Dollars in Iraq so that we can have you guys promising a future win is comparable to giving our own American citizens help on Social Security….. Maibe even your own mother????
2) That after producing nothing but hot air, Right Wingers still think they have any credibility left ot produce any victory anywhere.
3) That in a war opposed by 70 % of the American population, they can demand that more money is spent into the bottomless hole that is Iraq, rather than social programs supported by the American peole, and pay no consecuences at election time.
4) That they can win in Iraq with the Iraqi Government on vacation and near collapse.
I can go on but frankly I am getting tired to trash Republcan Right Wing ideas that never come to fruishion.
By the way in your idiotic examples of wars lasting more than 5 years you come up with Viet Nam and World War II . Let me help you here, There was a war that lasted 100 years in the Middle Ages… You can trow that example too loosers… At the rate you are going you are going to need it.
James.
If we stay we can make Iraq into a Democracy?
You guys are like mentally deficient or something?
The Israeli people have been fighting terrorists in the Middle East for the last 60 years… They know the area, they live there, they are experts on the subject, they have a first rate Army, a world class Air Force…. And thay have not been able to even secure their own borders, let along Democratise Palestine….
But you fools think that we can stay and change 22 million people, in the most chaotic “country” on hearth, where every one hates each other, and turn it into a Democracy with 150,000 troops on their third and fourth re-deployment!!!!!And do all these whith 70% of Americans opposed to your ideas!!!!
YOU GUYS RE-DEFINE THE WORD DELUSIONAL.
People Read my lips…. NO ONE IN AMERICA AND THE WORLD LIKES YOU, OR YOUR IDEAS. YOU ARE THE MINORITY OF A MINORITY. YOU ONLY EXIST IN BLOGS LIKE THIS, AND IN A DYING WHITE HOUSE.
You are the Dinosaurs of the political world. The only reason Right Wingers and Neo-Nuts can pretend that you still count for a rat’s ass, is because we don’t have a Parlamentary Democracy and we can’t trow Bush out of office.
I stop in here occasionally to see how lunatic things in right-wing world are and am always amazed at the incredible ignorance and prejudice on display – what a bunch of losers.
brian the adequate.
Brian Time to “up you brain dude”.
First of all there is no 20-20 vision as you pretend that we have now with pre-war Iraq.
If you care to go back to check the FACTS in 2002 you’ll find the entire Arab leage going against the notion of invading Iraq, most European Countries, all the European people, most of latin America, and the rest of the world.
Maibe you did not have electricity back in 02 and missed the fact that there were inspectors all over Iraq at the time called by Bush himslef…. Checking for WMD’s . So your 20-20 vision was right there…. All Bush and you had to do was to ask the Inspectors to use their 20-20 vision. That’s what the mission was all about to LOOK (SEE) FOR WMD’S ON THE GROWND and not Bull Shit about WMD’s on you all’s hyperactive imagination… To avoid any mistakes or wise guys 4 years later making pretend that 20-20 vision was needed when in fact what was needed was the time and honesty to let the inspectors do their job.
I know that the CIA and other International organisations believed that there was the possibility of WMD’s in Iraq…. However no one but Bush was stupid enough to start a war right in the middle of the largest reserves of oil in the planet, and play with fire in the most sensitive strategic area in the world.
Bush, and the Neo Cons asked for the inspectors, got the inspectors, and then took the inspectors out when they did not like the answers they were getting…. No one needs vision 20-20 for that. You just need to be honest with yourself.
As for your do we have the will to oultlast the Jihadist…. What Jihadist??? You need to “up your reading here dude”. The Shiite and the SUnni killing each other are Jihadist?? Or are they simply in a civil war, or a mighty mess killing themselves. Do we outlast them???
Why don’t you ask the Israeli people if they can outlast nuts and fanatics after 60 years the answer is NO, you can’t in fact what you do is play into their hands. They want us in Arabia for the next 100 years so that they can kill us at will in their turf, while people like you think that this is some kind of a contest of wills. No Brian you need to “up on your common sense dude”. It is costing us a trillion Dollars to kill “Jihadist” that can be replaced at the drop of a hat in a pool of millions of Jihadist- to- be FOR FREE . Your idea, Is a fools errand, and is a loosing proposition that you guys put in front of us as if it was some kind of a mission that could be accomplished.
As for the costs involved in this war, all I can tell you is that you come from the crowd that predicted that the war was going to cost about 30 Billion, be paid with Iraq’s oil, and last for a few months…. Or in other words your forecasting capacity lives a lot to be desired.
Dear god, gil, Frank was right, you are a lunatic.
Congress didn’t authorize us to engage Iraq . . . but . . . only if we can complete the war in five years. Nobody set a time limit on this thing and you guys certainly didn’t.
As far as polls,
1. Support for the war has been going up the past couple months.
2. That’s argument against a war? That it’s unpopular? Screw ethical reasons, humanitarian reasons, national interest – screw all of that, instead you’re going to argue here like a petulant child that “nyah, nyah it’s unpopular . . . ” and everybody who is interested in ethical reasons, humanitarian reasons, national interest . . . is supposed to take that seriously?
“First of all, America will not go broke, but your party will.”
Your reason for believing the Republican Party is about to go bankrupt is . . . ?
“Let me tell you something; The standard refuge for the looser . . . “
Lemme explain something, the standard refuge of the loser is the guy who uses that as an insult yet can’t spell it correctly.
I hate grammar police as much as the next guy, but I’ll make you this deal– take a high school English course and then maybe I’ll sit down and listen to a few lectures from a guy I’m not at all certain ever completed Government or American History 101.
“What do you think? We have Amnesia”
No, you’d have to know this stuff in the first place to be able to forget it.
“and after five years of messing things up in Iraq, you are telling us that YOU WILL win?”
No, see I actually agree – that’s why I realize that after a couple years of fighting Lincoln faced a lost cause in the Civil War. It’s also why I realize Britain was doomed to fail WWII . . . because they hadn’t won it in five years . . . Makes perfect sense.
(BTW, the above is called sarcasm – wasn’t sure if you’d catch that or not)
“The only thing I see you guys “winning” is a free ticket to retirement in 2008.”
F’ng A’! Beat that everybody!
“But for you to tell me with a stratight face that “We will win it if you would let us” …. Man, with the pathetic record you have,”
At least I can spell
Being a weathervane for public opinion is the business of politicians who lack a certain virtue -it’s called character. Character is doing the right thing regardless of its popularity. I hate to be the first to acquaint some of you Leftists with this concept, but it has been around for quite some time.
Wal
1) “support for the war has been going up in the past two months”
Again, you are creating your own make believe world and pretending that you are answering my points. I tell you what whu don’t you go to google, ask for latest iraq war polls, and see for yourself? ANd please stop Bull shitting will you?
2) I am not arguing as a “petulant child screw ethical reasons, humanitarian reasons, etc” Hey pal, wherever reasons you have or can pull out of your behind, I and 70 % of the American people could care less. As far as I am concerned the only people you are “screwing” with your ideas are our soldiers in their fifth year of deployment with no end in sight because people like you are very worried about the Iraqi people. WHat are we supposed to do “Genious” stop the Iraqi from killing each other by killing them? Good lord where are you people coming from???
3) My reason to believe that the Republican party is about to go banckrupt is in reference that every darn poll out there tells you that the Republicans will lose the White House and many more sits in Congress in 2008. DO YOU EVER READ CURRENT NEWS BY ANY CHANCE? Reason I ask is because your No. 3 question was simply dumb.
4) My grammar aside you are still a looser hiding in the “WE WILL” future, because you can’t justify the present or the past of your ideas.
5) “No you have to know the stuff to be able to forget it”
What stuff? The “stuff” that tell us that your crowd messed up Iraq royally, and now pretend that they can give any one any advice as to how to win, that stuff??? Pal you could not win a race against a one legged man, and you are here giving advice as to how to win in Iraq…. Get Real.
6) You again come up with World War II, and the Civil War as examples to consider Vs. Iraq. Are you nuts or something? I feel I am arguing with an asylum escapee. NO sarcasm here is direct. You have no standing at all to give any one any advice about how to win a darn thing. You and your Right Wing Napoleon’s in time of starvation have been wrong AT EVERY TURN….. And now you pretend to “give us advice”!!!
Hey pal, keep it, you are about to be trown overboard by the American people. YOU SHOULD BE ASKING FOR ADVICE NOT GIVING IT.
Finally, you can spell because you use your spelling machine, and the advice on Iraq from your dog…. Just like Bush.
bdog57
“CHaracter is doing the right thing regardelss of it’s popularity”
Let me introduce you to a foreign concept to you. It is called Democracy and it works like this:
If the majority of the people do not want somthing…. Then that something does not get done, or stops beeing done.
So when you say that character is doing the right thing, that of course conveniently happens to be what YOU THINK IS THE RIGHT THING… you need to take into account that the majority of the people in AMerica, believe that in fact, YOU ARE DOING THE WRONG THING, AND HAVE NO CHARACTER FOR SUPPORTING A MISTAKE.
And sice we are in a Democracy and I am in the majority…. Guess whose Right Vs. wrong ideas win????
Hate to rain on your parade, but we actually live in a republic, not a democracy. It’s all about representative government. Gee, gil, I feel really bad having to introduce you to these concepts. They told you about Santa and the Easter bunny, didn’t they? Oops!
Doing the “right thing” is subjective – only time provides objectivity (sorry, 5 years ain’t squat in historical terms…and the outcome of WWII in December 1944 was by no means assured). Doing what you believe to be the “right thing” is not. It’s what makes John McCain and George Bush so infuriating: you’d hope they were just playing politics, but by golly, they’re just doing what they think is right! For good or ill…that’s character.
Again, polls do not decide right and wrong. The Founders placed checks and balances into our Constitution to prevent the “tyranny of the majority” (itself a Neitzschean phrase -funny that I’m using it against you here). Still, we’ll see how much of a majority you’re in come September -I’m guessing it’ll be the same majority that voted against warrantless wiretapping. 🙂
Let me introduce you to a foreign concept to you.
“Allow myself to introduce…myself” -Austin Powers
Sorry, couldn’t resist.
bdog57
And on these “Republic” of yours do they allow the minority to dictate to the majority???
Because at the end of the day that’s the concept you do not undersrstand.
As for the Republic…. You Republic is a Democracy, as when Bush tell you “we live in a democracy” or any of your representatives so GEE Wissss but you are trying to hard at being a samrt ass.
As for Santa and the Eastern Bunny …. Funny you hide behind Santa… Just answer me a straight question, and please live Santa aside. In a Democract or in your Republic does the majority gets to set the agenda…. Or your pathetic little 24% ?
So waht’s Sanata telling you now????
“Five years is not squat in real terms”
NOt if you are bull shitting from a lap top. Why don’t you go and get a rifle and face the enemy whrever he or she might be in 120 degree geat….. That will change your perspective in a hurry.
But then again, here comes the problematic truth. I don’t need you to actually walj your considerable talk, I just need you to understand that five years for the rest of America with no results is plenty.
So you now think that five years are not squat …. Unfortunately the American people beg to disagree…. And like I already pointed out to you…. they are going to make you take your sence of time and shove it. As far as Bush, and McCain being infuriating because they are doing what they think is right…. Yes, I noticed…. Bush tought he was right in supporting Rumsfeld, he tought he was right on WMD’s, he tought he was right on the amount of money we were going to spend, he tought he was right on Brownie on Kathrina, he tough he was right on the time we were going to be in Iraq, he tough he was right in that he could create a “Democracy”….excuse me a Representative Republic otherwise called a Democracy by non-bull shitters, etc, etc. So yes Bush is an expert a thinking the wrong thing.
That is infuriating the hell out of the American people indeed. Arrogant idiots that think they are right after so many mistakes are infuriating, what can I say. I call that not character,but blind arrogance.
Let me introduce you to character…. Since you have no clue of the word.
Character is putting your men as comander in Chief in front o your ideas. For one thing is certain, Bush;s ideas and yours have unquestionably proven to be wtong again, and again…. And you SOB’s still ask our soldioers to carry the water for your incompetence.
Carracter pal is to thing on them first and in your bull shit ego second. Character is recognise when you are wrong and correct your mistakes like a man.
That’s character. A long time ago in Spain the King went crying to his mother lamenting having lost in battle…. The mother’s answer was don’t come to me crying like a woman what you could not defend like a man…
If the Spanish King would have been a Republican like you he would have gone to jios mother to ask for more time, and bull shit that is haaaardddd sooo haaardddd, and I need more time, and 5 years is squat.
At least the Spanish King was not a bull shitter like you guys.
By the way that same King took hismother’s advice like a man, went back and re-took what he lost and them some from the Moors. He did it by DOING, not by making excuses like you loosers.
Wal.
I read your example of polls that show the support for the war growing amongthe American people, the question is did you??? I don’t want to envarase you in front of all the bloggers, any more than I already have, so my suggestion is you read the article…. Realy READ the article. My God man, I am starting to feel sorry for you.
As for Napoleon. If you want to look up Napoleon’s invasion of Russia, you’ll find out that the man ignored the advice of his best Generals and invaded Russia anyway. As a result he lost his entire Army, and he lost his Empire. SO is not the Liberal’s idea of a bad General…. But my idea of what blind arrgance can produce….. At least Napoleon had an ifinitely better reputation as a competent General, than any of you guys on the Right could ever produce. At least Napoleon had the right to be wrong one time even if it ended in a catastrophy fro him, because of to that point he had always been right… But you guys??? That have always been wrong, still have the arrogance to attack, and ridicule people that simply can’t support your mistakes any more.
You have no shame.
“At least Napoleon had an ifinitely better reputation as a competent General, than any of you guys on the Right could ever produce.”
Like Eisenhower
BTW, is my computer on the fritz or did I get banned?
And on these “Republic” of yours do they allow the minority to dictate to the majority???
Um, yeah. It’s called “the Constitution”.
No matter what the majority supposedly “supports”, it cannot and does not overrule the Constitution. In fact, that’s the entire point of a representative democracy. To balance the power of the majority against the rights of the individual.
After all, didn’t the “majority” used to support slavery and oppose women’s suffrage?
Oh and BTW, the cost of the Iraq war is still around $400billion or so. Not “trillions” as you erroneously claimed earlier.
Wal.
Eisenhower was a Republican, not a Right Wing Neo-Con.
Mightysamuray.
I ask. “In this Republic of yours do they allow the minority to dicate to the majority”
And then you actually answer: “In the Constitution” Because according to you the majority can’t overrule the constitution”
And then you wonder why I get frustrated with you guys!!!!
Whay am I here explaing still the fact that in a Democracy ….. WE DO LIVE IN ONE…. The MAJORITY go vote on election day, and in effect forces itself and it’s ideas, by electing the candidates that will Lead our nation?
Is that too foreign a concept to you? , or do you think that the Constitution is some how going to prevent THE MAJORITY (70%) of the American people from booting you guys out…. Because the 2008 elections will be about Iraq, and THE MAJORITY DO NOT AGREE WITH YOUR IDEAS….. As in boss off. As in enough is enough. As in your incompetence and excuses for it, have made us sick.
Get it?????
Dear God, I am in the frezking Twilight Zone I swear!!!!!!!
Whay am I here explaing still the fact that in a Democracy
I really don’t know. It seems odd that you would spend so much time explaining it when you are so clearly wrong.
….. WE DO LIVE IN ONE…. The MAJORITY go vote on election day, and in effect forces itself and it’s ideas, by electing the candidates that will Lead our nation?
And those ideas and candidates CANNOT OVERRULE THE CONSTITUTION. That’s the entire point of HAVING a Constitution, you frikkin’ dipwad.
Seriously, this is BASIC CIVICS. You should have learned this stuff in high school.
Gil, to say Eisenhower was not rightwing is to restrict it to your own personal definition or whatever suits you best. whatever, As for neo-con, that term’s been bastardized to the point it essentially means “every Republican but Pat Buchanan.” As for your definition, assuming you have a coherent one (sort of a big assumption at this point), who knows.
Back to the substance of this, it would be tough to name even a handful of famous historical generals who were genuine leftwingers unless you’re going to include full-fledged commies (and even then it’s not that easy). On the right, you have MacArthur, Patton, hell if you wanted to stretch this, Genghis Khan. It’s not remotely a comparison. Not the same ballpark. Not the same league. Not the same sport.
BTW, Re: Spain – Unsurprisingly, you got your history completely backwards
The guy you’re referring to is Boabdil/Muhammad XII, the last Moorish King of Grenada:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boabdil_of_Granada
His mother said that to him when he surrendered the Alhambra. He left Spain and never recaptured his kingdom.
However – the reconquest of Spain had taken a couple centuries. So since it was over 5 years, it was a complete failure.
Wal.
You know Wal, the conquest of space will take centuries, why not give that as an example of “Five years in Iraq is nothing”
Hell, anything is good enough for you to extrapolate for the Iraqi mess, so I tought I give you some help.
In the end I believe you have to understand AND ACCEPT, That since your crowd has been “making progress” for five years, only to come out with a mess from hell, the American people is getting ready to either make you change course drastically , or trow you guys out of power. In short you have no credibility left in the eyes of the American people. Polls up or down by a few points can’t obscure that fact.
Your “surge” is the last chance. And a “surge” is not designed to be permanent….AS your comments indicate. The Surge is over in September, and is time for you to show VICTORY, not your usual “progress: and we need more time because is haaaarddd. The Spanish Wars against the Arabs lasted for hundreds of years indeed…. But last I checked we were not occupied by the Arabs, so please stop mixing apples and oranges.
“AS your comments indicate. The Surge is over in September”
Really, where do I say that?
“The Spanish Wars against the Arabs lasted for hundreds of years indeed…. But last I checked we were not occupied by the Arabs,”
No . . . but . . . Iraq is.
“Hell, anything is good enough for you to extrapolate for the Iraqi mess, so I tought I give you some help.”
Look, gil, it’s not that you misspell words – it’s the specific words you choose to misspell, “looser,” “genious,” “envarass,” “tought.” If you’re going to call someone a “genious,” make sure ya correctly spell “genious.” Sorry man, but I just find this incredibly funny.